Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390

Yeah, you're absolutely right, bro. Funny video.

 

Here's another buildzoid z390 VRM analysis, this time its the MSI Godlike:

The MSI Godlike with 18 phase VRM seems like the power delivery winner so far, I'd like to see more review and OC testing is needed, especially in English.

MSI Z390 Godlike Review: $600 Motherboard Break-Down & VRM
Gamers Nexus
Published on Oct 18, 2018
Buildzoid reviews the MSI Z390 Godlike VRM and PCB, talking about overclocking capabilities and whether it's worth spending $600 for this board. MSI's MEG Z390 Godlike motherboard might be the most expensive board for the new Intel i9-9900K CPUs. It makes several interesting trades in its design, but the biggest focus is on building-up a powerful VRM.

Spoiler: Click to See Video

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Here's a fun OC session with der8auer. The auto-translate to English sux in this video - they speak German too fast - but it's good enough to keep up and the screen BIOS / tools are readable in English. I used Google auto-translate on the title text and comments.

HowTo Intel Coffee Lake OC with der8auer | Z390 GODLIKE | i9-9900K
MSI Germany
Published on Oct 25, 2018
OC God Roman 'der8auer' was visiting!
In this HowTo we show you how to overclock the current Coffee-Lake CPUs and then test the box for stability with a beheaded Intel Core i9-9900K. Based on our OC and feature monster MEG Z390 GODLIKE (18 (!!!) Phases, Hallelujah!).

Spoiler: Click to See Video

Another OC session with the MSI Godlike z390:

Overclocking The Intel i9-9900K - How Far Will It Go!
TechnicalAF
Published on Nov 4, 2018
It is next to impossible to get your hands on an Intel i9-9900k or an Nvidia RTX 2080ti yet somehow, I have both in this video! It wasn’t supposed to be two parts but it was sooooo long I didn’t think anyone would watch it if I left it all in. Part one is overclocking the 9900k and part two will be overclocking the 2080ti! Thanks for watching!

Spoiler: Click to See Video

 

with h.265 video encoding it'll use avx2 & 512 through out the entire process so technically it'll be harder than prime95, but we always have that avx multiplier we're able to lower frequency with so dont really see an issue. plus with only 2 channel or memory, we can hardly take advantage of avx512, simply not enough bandwidth.

 

Is there a benchmark or synthetic I can run that uses that to test it? Of course and I was using 0 AVX offset. I’ll run it again when I get home in a couple days to test out AVX offsets.

 

And are any 9900Ks going to hit 6ghz without the use of LN2 or other radical cooling? Again like I was saying the CPU silicon and thermal limitations will be the brick wall far before a 60c VRM that is rated to around 125c.

 

What is Asus thinking? 120mm AIO on a 9900k? A blower style 2080 at stock frequencies?? Bare naked memory, ugly cabling, $3900+ USD?? What a rip-off!!

For almost $4000USD this system should have all the top end parts in a presentation level build!

ASUS ROG Strix GL12CX System - TJMAX set to 115C temps over 100c
KitGuruTech
Published on Nov 5, 2018
Today Dominic takes a look at the new £3,000 ASUS system which features a lot of high end hardware including an Intel Core i9 9900k and a RTX 2080 ti graphics card.

Unfortunately it has a fair share of issues, including a TJMAX BIOS setting of 115c and temperatures that can peak at over 100c. Just what were ASUS thinking? Dominic tries to find out. read the full review here: http://bit.ly/2Pdzwh2

Spoiler: Details...

Operating System: Windows 10 Redstone 4
Volume: 27L
Processor: Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
Main Memory: 2 x Long-DIMMs DDR4 2666 Max.32GB
Chipset: Z390
Drive Bays: 1 x 9mm ODD, 2 x 3.5”, 1 x 2.5”, 1 x 2.5” Hot Swap Bay
Storage: 5 x SATA 6GB/s, 2 x M.2 Connector (Hybrid SATA, NVME, Optane)
Expansion: x 16 (occupied by discrete graphic card), 1 x PCI-E x 1, 1 x M.2 Connector (WiFi)
Optical: Slim Type DVD-ROM SuperMulti DVD RW
Connectivity: Realtek GigaLan, WiFi (IEEE 802.11 ac) + BT4.1(M.2, 2T2R)
Audio: ALC1150 Codecs, Premium Nichicon™ Audio Capacitors
Front I/O: 2 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 type A, 2 x USB 2.0 type A, 1 x Mic in /Headphone out, 1 x Card Reader 2 in1 Half
Rear I/O: 2 x USB 2.0 type A, 2 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 type A, 4 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 type A, 5 x Audio jacks, 1 x SPDIF, 1 x RJ45
Dimensions: 17.90 (W) x 40.00 (D) x 45.60 (H) cm
Weight: 11 kg
Power Supply: 700W 80 PLUS Gold

 

Next level is ask them to run Linpack Xtreme? Because P95 is all to weak for testing power draw or stability.

 

for 512 no, plus our cpu doesnt have 512 so we can't test it anyway. but for avx2 there are benchmark out there you can try running it. avx2 isnt too much from avx and its best if done on quad channel memory so maybe only @Johnksss @Mr. Fox can test on intel system.

run the software in dual channel, then run it again in quad channel for both avx and avx2 to see how much difference the jump in performance is.

I also use avx2 firefox but difference arent that noticeable, in some area it is a tad faster but thats about it and it make sense as it is a browser.

 

OK, now we need to see some more action on the laptop side. For current model Clevo owners with LGA processors, no hacked cross-flashing is necessary.

Customers of PremaMod partner shops are already 9900K-ready if they have the latest @Prema BIOS for their TM1 machines. HIDevolution is doing thermal testing at this moment and we may be seeing them offering CPU upgrade service as soon as the end of this week. Reach out to Brother @Donald@HIDevolution if you want to be one of the first EVOC owners with an octa-core monsterbook. XOTIC PC owners should reach out to @Support.1@XOTIC PC (or @Support.2@XOTIC PC, @Support.3@XOTIC PC, @Support.4@XOTIC PC) and LPC customers should ping @Larry@LPC-Digital if they would like upgrade assistance. Otherwise, grab a 9900K and plop it in. Those outside of the US should reach out to their respective PremaMod partner shops. https://premamod.com/partner/

If you are not a customer of a PremaMod Partner Shop, Eurocom is offering a BIOS upgrade for 9th-Gen CPUs as well, whether you have a Eurocom branded model or not. If you are interested, visit this link: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(382)ec

If you own a Sager model, please check with your vendor to determine whether this will adversely affect your warranty if you care about the warranty. You'll probably be OK, but check to be certain. @Prema advises that this is an official update from Clevo's perspective.

This is only a plug-and-play proposition for the following models: Sky X4C / Clevo P750TM1, Sky X7C / Clevo P775TM1 and Sky X9C / Clevo P870TM1

If you own one of these, no excuses... plug-and-play with the latest BIOS update.

Note: those wanting to upgrade need to have reasonable expectations regarding temperatures. If you have a 7700K, 8700K or 8086K, you're not going to see the same temps pushing the same clock speeds. What you will see is more performance at a lower clock speed with 8 cores / 16 threads.

It's a great day to not be a BGA turdbook owner.

 

The call in stock check questions for the 9900k are getting old and people are now getting turned away with scripted answers. Here's a good suggestion for getting through and getting an answer, at least for a while until this path gets overused too:

i9-9900k Availability in Kansas City area?
Submitted 4 hours ago by pokererere1
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9uppmo/i99900k_availability_in_kansas_city_area/

"Hey /r/intel,
I was curious if anyone knew if Microcenter/BestBuy/etc... in the KC area or Overland Park had stock on the i9-9900k? Just trying to cancel this Amazon pre-order and get one ASAP!
Thanks!"

MonsieurWorm 2 points 4 hours ago
"Best bet is to just call them"

pokererere1[ S] 1 point 4 hours ago
"I have tried. They won't even look it up or attempt to give you an answer. They just say go to the website which is not up to date. Thanks for the answer though!"

Pyromonkey83 2 points 4 hours ago
" When you call Micro Center, ask to talk to the "Build Your Own" department because you have a question about component compatibility. The call center will transfer you directly to an associate who you can ask about 9900k stock."

pokererere1[ S] 1 point 4 hours ago
"Okay. I will try that a go! Thank you! "

Spoiler

lil-gam-gam 2 points 4 hours ago
"overland park microcenter didn't have 9900k on launch day. all they had was like 4 9600ks and at the time my 9900k amazon preorder hadn't shipped so I just decided to cancel it and go grab one by buying the 9600k online with in-store pickup. Knowing how long amazon preorders for the 9900k took I'm glad I made the instant gratification decision.

pokererere1[ S] 1 point 3 hours ago
"I am just upset since I know I ordered my i9 before a friend and he received his already and mine hasn't even shipped. I want to just cancel and pickup at Microcenter but don't want to make the drive for them not to have it. I am going to try what Pyromonkey said and see if I can get a legit answer out of someone there."

I've used this path in the past myself, but even better is building a relationship with a sales associate or two over time where you can learn their schedule and call them for such stock lookup's. Make sure to know if they get credit for sales and if they do make sure their name is put on the eventual purchase(s).

They will also get to know your interests over time and if you ask they will call you when something interesting comes into stock.

I've found this an effective technique only if you build up that relationship over time, months and years, and it's also why I purchase everything I can locally if possible to build up these business relationships.

These relationships with local companies have been vital during emergencies where I have to have components to solve immediate problems, which can't wait for overnight or even counter to counter shipments or same day shipments which can get very expensive.

In the past you could build up person to person relationships over the phone as well, but these days calls like to Amazon go into a large pool of people that changes every time zone change during the day, and although it's still possible to ask for and get the same sales person or manager for some online services it's harder to use that path than consistent over time in person interactions.

Microcenter is great for these interactions.

 

Here's another heads up: Amazon 9900k pre-order gets automatically canceled because it's been listed as unavailable for long enough to trip a timeout!

Amazon pre order 9900k
Submitted 3 hours ago by RsvlTurdHerder
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9uq5hw/amazon_pre_order_9900k/

"Anyone else’s pre order get cancelled for no reason today?? I talked to support she said because the item is listed as unavailable that the system automatically cancels pre orders after a certain amount of time.

Fml I’ve been shafted by Colamco and now by Amazon. This is getting out of hand Intel!"

I9-9900K in stock at Newegg
Submitted an hour ago by ohiocardsfan
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9uryu1/i99900k_in_stock_at_newegg/

kingjason44 3 points an hour ago
"Sold out in seconds"

ohiocardsfan[ S] 1 point an hour ago
"Still shows in stock for me...
Edit: NVM gone. Hope someone got one."

kingjason44 1 point an hour ago
"Ya sadly i didnt"

 

Here's the coverage we've been waiting for: what is causing the wide variation in reported thermals, power, and performance from z390 motherboards (and z370) with 9xxx CPU's.

Intel TDP Investigation: Violating Turbo Duration (Z390)
Gamers Nexus
Published on Nov 6, 2018
We look into the Intel TDP specification and what "95W" means for the 9900K, including further deep-diving into MCE for the Maximus XI Hero & MSI Godlike Z390.
Article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3389-intel-tdp-investigation-9900k-violating-turbo-duration-z390
This content piece investigates power consumption on the Intel i9-9900K across multiple motherboards, ultimately coming to the question of which manufacturers is at fault for violating Intel power consumption guidance. If PL1 and PL2 are exited for periods of time not recommended under Intel turbo duration guidance, we must ask whether that's Intel's fault (for not enforcing policy) or the motherboard manufacturers' faults for not following guidance.


Scottie Owens 22 minutes ago (edited)
"When everything you do as a CPU company requires an investigation by GN. Probably not a great sign."

mobo PCB Breakdown: Gigabyte Z390 I Aorus Pro Wifi
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Published on Nov 5, 2018

Spoiler: Click to See Video

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9ulx5g/buildzoid_gigabyte_z390_i_aorus_pro_wifi_youtube/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/9ulur6/buildzoid_gigabyte_z390_i_aorus_pro_wifi_youtube/

 

I don't understand why this is being presented as if it is an issue anyone ought to be concerned about for an enthusiast CPU. It shouldn't be an issue at all, and many would be unhappy if it were not true. I am very thankful the unlocked Intel CPUs are not limited to their rated stock TDP. The fact that they are not is why they work so well. Nobody would want them if they could not pull a lot more power than their TDP. I would not consider buying a motherboard from a vendor that strictly adhered to Intel guidance. If they did, they would not be selling an enthusiast motherboard. I do not think anyone is "at fault" here. Intel makes recommendations and the motherboard manufacturers ultimately decide what they want to do based on what their customers want. That's exactly how it should be and I am happy this is how it is. It would be extremely silly to buy a 9900K or a HEDT CPU and burn a lot of calories tuning it in an effort to ensure it never exceeds its stock core ratio, BCLK or TDP specs. I cannot imagine anyone actually doing that.

I think the summary really says it well. And, in terms of explaining why some see different performance and temperatures compared to others, mission accomplished. The article does a great job of that.

So, at the end of the day, if you're getting the results you want, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Just enjoy your product that works great. No need to even think about the TDP specs in that case. They're not relevant. Results are what matter. And, there is no smoking gun or conspiracy. Take no prisoners.

 

Me with my lowly little VRM's....

 

I think you missed the point, made it, then missed it again.

Ignore the company-line printed TDP for sure, and look for actual real tested results.

That's why it's important to watch and read the reviews - even with their wide variations in depth and quality. We can't be over critical to the point of dismissing all of them, unless you want to miss out on important details found by some and not others.

It's a big deal because as always, not all products are created equal, and figuring out which one(s) to get takes effort and time to research. You can't simply read specs or flowery product marketing reports or reviews based on them.

The GamersNexus and UnboxedHardware coverage are two current examples of reviewers that dig in beyond the "I don't care's" and deeper than the "but I read it spec sheet" reviewers.

Let's support them and others on the path to being enlightened enough to provide that level of coverage. And, not tell everyone it's a waste of time to watch and read some coverage over others, it's all someones hard work, respect it but with a critical eye for accuracy to purpose.

 

Seems they try hard to give something back to the subscribers. What they offer doesn't matter. Wasted time!

See... Title.
Intel TDP Investigation:

Conclusion: Responsibilities of Motherboard Makers & Intel
Blasting past the turbo duration limits has a few consequences, all of which have shown themselves in recent reviews. Of note, voltages will run higher, power consumption will run higher, and thermals will therefore be higher as steady state is achieved. This contributes to the perception of hot, power-hungry processors... If you wondered why power consumption and thermals are high in some reviews, that’s why.

Amazing. You learned something new?

 

It's not fun to watch Intel going through a rough patch, but it's better to know the truth from real testing than to blindly go by recommendations based on printed specs - that obviously aren't being followed.

Ignoring these reports, and blindly following obvious misdirection from marketing BS, and you'll waste money now, and regret it later.

 

I think you missed the point as well. I actually thought the article was useful for understanding why reviewers are getting different results and said so. The way it was presented in this thread seemed like another anti-Intel conspiracy theory smoking gun thing, but maybe I misinterpreted that. If so, then I apologize. I always find value in the people that dig in and analyze things like GamersNexus. That's why they're awesome and not silly shills trying to sell garbage to gamer kids.

See that's what I am talking about. Nothing from the GN article suggests a "rough patch" for Intel. It should not be interpreted that way. It has always been this way, and it's not something new or different they are doing to beat the competition. It was this way when they had no competition, and I really don't see anything wrong with it. And, it is the motherboard manufacturers (not Intel) tweaking things, as all good motherboard manufacturers should.

The specs don't "need" to be followed. That's not important. They are suggestions. Manufacturers that strictly follow them sell crippled products.

Alienware is an example. They try extra hard to stick to Intel's suggestions and their products frequently under-perform compared to their competitors. The problem is exacerbated further when they make it difficult for their customers to breach the default values by locking things down. Some of us have come to hate them for that because it really sucks to buy something built by control freaks. Especially so if it is presented as something special even though it's not.

 

Not sure if everyone remembered this, and it might not be widely known, even by professional reviewers. (Honestly, I had also totally forgotten this.)

Intel TDP ratings are not for turbo mode. It used to be. But, now this spec is for the non-turbo base clock of the CPU.

@hmscott

Looking good there, Brother John. Max temps are not that much different than 8700K/8086K in a P870. Is this on max fans, auto fans, or AC-assisted? The low/idle temps look like they might be too low to be based on the ambient temps, but you might have your home office extra cool now that the summer heat is almost gone.

 

i see youve gotten DDR4-3600 to work! nice! is that with the 3800 sticks?

best to have both: sticking to official guidelines at stock, but still giving a user all the unlocked options to get the best out of a given hardware.

the very first time im booting up a new or upgraded system i want to have everything at bone stock to run baseline benchmarks and ensure full functionality. if motherboard vendors start overclocking stuff right from the get-go, its very difficult to get a valid baseline to compare things to. you will then get wildly differing results from reviews and you have no idea what a new piece of hardware would actually offer you in terms of guaranteed (= stock, because any OC should be considered a "bonus" and no promises there!) performance bump.

i know i know, stock is boring! but from a scientific point of view, stock is absolutely obligatory to put benchmark / OC results into proper context

 

@ole!!! i9 9900K at 5000Mhz, HT on vs HT off, when gaming its power consuption is the same. Clearly your idea to buy one and disable HT is not reccomended talking about temperature but only for a better binned chip.

 

And the FPS is higher with HT off.

 

thats only because the software not able to take advantage of HT, and actually took advantage when HT is off. you take CB15 and run with HT on and off and difference is clear as day, conditions need to be the very similar in this case what yrekabakery said, power consumption needs to be comparable. but yes in some software with HT off it'll actually run hotter but that is also because cpu is being used to its fullest.

i got some super old legacy software here, one that uses all treads evenly at 5%, or i turn off 4/6 cores and it'll make 2 cores at closer to 100% while using a lot more juice, and faster. thank god to windows affinity.

 

@Danishblunt looks like vrm got no problem when 9900k pulling close to 250w. most would be under 150-160w due to heatsink and temp limitation, no issue here.

 

tl(too loud);dw - man, that phase change cooler is really churning it's guts out doing the cooling.

Extreme OC: Intel i9 9900K @ 6.1GHz CPUz / 5.9GHz @ CB15
Hardware Numb3rs
Published on Nov 7, 2018
Quick Extreme Overclocking session at -95C
First Sub Zero OC run for my Intel i9 9900K, the goal was to find the limit in frequency of this CPU with a cascade phase change.
Cinebench R15 and CPUz validation benchmarks.
My HWBot Profile: http://hwbot.org/user/hardware_numb3rs/

Spoiler: hardware details...

Hardware used:
Asus ROG Maximus X Apex
Intel i9 9900K
GSkill Flare X 3200 C14 2x8GB
Corsair 1000W RM1000i
GTX 1060

John Martinez 6 hours ago
"Whenever I see the 9900k-box I laugh inside, just look at it, it's pathetic."

Hardware Numb3rs 6 hours ago
"John Martinez and damn hard to open ! took me 5 minutes to figure it out, I was about to smash it to get the CPU out"

 

The box is actually quite impressive. Totally superfluous though and I laughed picking it up at the post office when I saw the size of the cardboard box it was packed in (20cm x 20cm x 30cm) given it was only a CPU. I got another package that day only slightly larger that had 5x 120mm and 3x140mm fans in it!

Trying to put it back together with the CPU box inside it took me about 5 minutes the first time though. Felt like I was failing an IQ test

 

A detailed review of 9900k power limits, turbo observations, power usage, and other published and non-published characteristics of the 9900k and review of motherboard TDP limit defaults, to present the question:

Do We Need to Re-Review the Core i9-9900K? Please Help!
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Nov 8, 2018
VOTE: https://www.patreon.com/posts/do-we-need-to-re-22580100

 

Alienware 9900k = ~$882
_______________​

If you don't care about Alienware desktop hardware prices, feel free to skip over my price breakdown below

_______________​

Alienware Aurora 9th Gen desktop prices debut today; to reveal the Aliens clever (& often hidden) price schemes, it is still possible to configure the old 8th Gen desktop for clarity. Please follow closely

8th Gen Base = $850 | New 9thGen Base = $1400

• 8th Gen entry-level CPU = i5 8400 (MSRP 182)
• 8400 represents ~$182 of the $850 base price
• add 150 to upgrade to i5 8600k (MSRP 257)
• 8600k now = $332 (182 + add 150)

MSRP 8600k VS 9600k = 257 vs 262

• conclusion: 8600k / 9600k = 'same price'

New 9th Gen base desktop only deviates from base 8th Gen hardware, by adding 9600k (+150) GTX 1070 (+350) liquid cooling (+50)

• if configure $850 8th Gen with 8600k + 1070 + liquid then total = same $1400 (see spoiler)
• conclusion: old 8600k price = new 9600k price

Spoiler: 8th vs 9th Gen

It is safe to assume, that the new $1400 base price means that the consumer must pay about $332 for the base 9600k; when consumer wishes to upgrade to 9900k, must add $550

Spoiler: add $550

332 + 550 = $882

After thought: there is no i5 9400 yet - if there were - that would be the new base CPU, & today's desktop would've been configured 'identical' to 8th Gen specs & price ($850). The Aliens would've been forced today to make 9900k an add $700 option (pay $182 for base 9400 + add 700 more = $882)

What they do is make some piece of hardware 'included in price' (like an 8400, or today like the 9600k), but never make that base price public. From there, they trick consumers, or at least try to, by making 9900k for instance, $550. The consumer may think $550 is normal, a retail price; I believe they rely on unsuspecting consumers to forget that the initial base CPU must also be payed for 1st; consumer, perhaps in the bliss of ignorance thinks they payed 550, not 882, the true cost ...

for instance, if & when i5 9400 is available, consumer may think they only payed $700 for 9900k (not 182 + 700)

edit: indelible in the hippocampus is that the Aliens seek ~$400 surcharge over MSRP ($488)

• $400 AlienTax

 

I wonder what people have to pay for the AW scull if F. Azor start throw out Alienware-branded components What you show here doesn't look promising.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-340#post-10812281

 

ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate's Lacking VCore VRM
Gamers Nexus
Published on Nov 9, 2018
This motherboard review of the ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate looks at VRM quality, features on the PCB, and heat output figures. Buildzoid looks at the ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate motherboard, its features, its VRM, and overall build quality of the board. This board shipped alongside the 9900K, 9700K, and 9600K, and so has some updated overclocking features for the "9th Gen" Intel CPUs. Find Buildzoid here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ

 

Somehow my order managed to go in at newegg after the item actually appeared in the $579 sold by newegg listing after showing up in stock on nowinstock but only showing the $950 gouging sellers repeatedly until after 10 minutes of F5'ing, a "sold by newegg $579" appeared.

Now I'm prepared to SLAUGHTER MY BGA TURDBOOK @Papusan @Mr. Fox

 

You mean you will try to reach 5.1/5.2GHz and run it as @Danishblunt ?


Welcome to the bright side

 

Nice. Are you upgrading your desktop CPU and mobo, or installing it in a Clevo?

I'm sure you can find someone to buy the turdbook. Lots of people don't know any better.

 

Installing it on a desktop when i get the parts.
Clevo will come after I get the Z390 Clevo version with the 4 fans and hopefully it will come with a RGB keyboard.

 

Unless you are traveling a lot and need a monsterbook to keep you company, I'd skip the laptop. I think I have had my laptop turned on maybe an hour in the past two weeks.

 

mobo PCB Breakdown: ASUS ROG Maximus XI Gene
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Published on Nov 9, 2018


mobo PCB breakdown: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Xtreme // it does almost everything
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Published on Nov 6, 2018

Spoiler: Click to See Video

 

for sure, if you have the means to do it just build your own rig, I am doing a new build coming up within the next few months probably going to wait for Zen 2

 

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

The problem with all of this silly talk about TDP is the people whining about it do not understand that Intel TDP ratings have been recently updated and they are for non-turbo base clocks, NOT turbo. And, many (maybe most) people that want a 9900K don't care as long as it gives them the results they want, or they are actually happy about it and want unlimited TDP. By capping TDP to the 95W non-turbo clocks it is being artificially crippled. The notion of capping TDP on an unlocked CPU made on purpose with unlimited TDP as a selling point is a new one on me and seems pretty damned stupid. Saying it is running out of spec is not accurate unless it exceeds 95W with turbo boost disabled.

 

********. You didn't say that last year when this was shown on the 8700K. Also, why have it off the spec is ignored in favor of the boost table. The purpose is to mislead consumers.

Intel has two standards, as pointed out in this video. The spec on 95W describes not just base clocks, as that is 3.6GHz, not the 4GHz on all cores seen in that video. That spec describes the throttle down conditions of the chip. The second standard is the boost table. That is the one all MB manufacturers use. That means Intel isn't following their TDP spec, which means their TDP spec means nothing, even though cooling is made around that spec, servers are made around that spec, TCO calculations are based on that spec, etc.

There isn't anything wrong with choosing the boost table, but it makes the actual spec on the CPU worthless. Open up an Intel white paper describing the spec. It is supposed to throttle down to stay inside that spec and doesn't. Going above P4 is supposed to be instant throttle or shut off.

The point being made is MB manufacturers were using that spec when they made X299 VRM that ran hot AF. They used that spec to say Z370 would work as well as newer boards which had better power delivery, etc. It is misleading advertising.

Why can't Intel just say the chip has a TDP of 125-145W? That is being honest. Or MCE of 170-190W? That would be honest.

So instead, watch the video, analyze the argument, then respond.

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

Its a misconception with most YT channel content creators associate high TDP as worse product just like Bulldozer from AMD.
Those 9th gen CPUs needs serious cooling and flimsy OEM coolers won't cut down the heat if fans don't spin at right time(Eg. Dell and others) because of limited BIOS.

 

Total Principled Technlogies move. This is a new low for HWU, finally had to hit the unsubscribe button. They're turned into nothing more than an AMD shill front, click bait titles for AMD fanboi views, etc. If they post anything remotely negative towards AMD their comment section explodes with hate. If my income relied on that audience I might be posting some shady **** too. Intel stopped sending them samples quite some time ago, Asus is next. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia stops as well. They reference the Intel "spec" being ignored, but it's not. The K chip is also an unlocked both multiplier and power limit, which is also paired with an unlocked Z motherboard. The consumer knows they're buying a high end enthusiast part that doesn't even have a standard "box" cooler. Stop acting like it's some sort of surprise that power draw goes up as you push the hardware.

Right from the Intel website for the 9900K --
TDP
Thermal Design Power (TDP) represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload. Refer to Datasheet for thermal solution requirements.

 

About the only way to react to videos like this.

 

So, you want to see the full description, WATCH THESE VIDEOS. Here is the white paper for Coffee 8th gen where the change happened. You can read it for yourself, not just taking GN, HWU, and AdoredTV at their word. https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...n-updates/8th-gen-core-family-spec-update.pdf

(Cued up at 10:18, in case it starts over).


The point is, you are too much of an Intel fanboy to realize what is being said and why it is a problem. This isn't whether the processor is better or not, or overclocks better or not. This is having two sets of specs, both referring to different aspects of the chips, but one spec being ignored in favor of the other spec where both specs cannot exist at the same time. If you follow one spec, you cannot follow the other. It isn't about trying to rag on Intel other than having two specs and both not being implemented due to mutual exclusivity. The spec not used effects other partners in the chain. This isn't that hard to understand, yet you still seem to be oblivious.

This is also why HWU said they will provide BOTH data sets based on BOTH specs. Imagine that. Showing Intel's processors under their own stated specs. Performance varies greatly from the two specs as well and the spec exists in Intel's OWN DOCUMENTATION. Whether you acknowledge that doesn't make Intel's documentation on the CPU magically change or disappear. It is real, you just don't think it is fair to look at. Instead, why not just have Intel change their TDP to something meaningful. You'll buy the chip anyways!

Also, overclocking K chips beyond the labeled amount voids the warranty. It being unlocked doesn't change that provision of the warranty. And, as HWU pointed out, over 50% of their users don't overclock their K chip. Full stop.

And this same TDP is used by MB mfrs to design VRM, it is used on their server products, etc. Those numbers are misleading, whether you like it or not.

So watch the video by Adored, go back and rewatch the GN video and both HWU videos, one discussing the issue, one showing the data, and notice that the overwhelming support of their community said to SHOW BOTH DATA SETS. That way it can fully be evaluated on both specs. Also read the Intel manual on the spec itself, because it says it directly in Intel's spec sheet how it is supposed to cut the boost after a period of time to stay within TDP, which is ignored. It is still a spec!

 

LOOOL. What a change I can see above It seems that people have forgotten that Intel allowing OEMs to decide how they want the processors to perform in their systems. In same way they let the notebook manufacturers themself screw up TDP for the unlocked and even the locked down BGA junk running in Jokebooks. Maybe the reviewers now should start reviewing and post BGA cpu results with stock and outside Intel's TDP specs for notebooks as well? HWU first out? YEES.

 

I never said anything last year because don't remember any silly chatter about TDP last year with 8700K like we are seeing now. Had I seen the same nonsense last year I would have called it stupid then as well. I really don't give a rat's ass how many watts it pulls or what Intel's specs are. It's an unlocked CPU and should use as much or little as it feels like using. If it were not unlocked, it would be a belly-button consumer turd CPU.

 

Yeah, I call BS on that whole tree-hugger wacko mentality. The only time it matters if if you have a turdbook that cannot handle it or you're trying to use a mickey mouse PSU on a desktop to save a few bucks. I would never buy any CPU or GPU from Intel, AMD or NVIDIA if it had TDP limits that were locked down. It doesn't matter to me how much or how little power it draws if it runs the way I want it to.

Exactly, and that's why all of these "smoking gun" and conspiracy theory nut jobs are idiotic for making a big deal of it. It's a big to do about nothing. But, it makes for interesting media, which NEVER requires accuracy or truth. They thrive on creating controversy, and are willing to do whatever it takes to create that.

The title of the video alone calls it into question as technobabble BS. "Con Lake" LOL.

And, guess what. None of that matters except to AMD fanbois looking for something to whine about against Intel. Really... doesn't matter. Who cares. The fact that the motherboard OEMs do whatever they want to make their enthusiast products get more from the CPU than what a gamer-boy can expect is what makes them awesome. That's not Intel's fault, but I don't blame them for encouraging it. If they all followed the same cookie cutter model they would all suck, and there would be no marketing edge for any of them. I am so glad that things are as they are and hope it never changes regardless of how many talking head reviewers on YouTube mitch and boan about it. If they aren't doing the same thing on their AMD motherboards they should be ashamed of themselves and they need to start doing the same thing immediately.

 

Last year was the whining about "MultiCore Enhancement". Maybe they hadn't enough time talk about TDP specs outside Intel's specs sheet? What I have seen lately here and from reviewers is a farse.

 

papusan straight from the horses mouth, amd vs intel david vs goliath who will win?

 

The one who can offer more than bang for bucks