Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390

That means it is going away... period. And, it would totally suck. No sport, no knowledge, talent or skill. Everyone has the same trash and everyone takes a blue ribbon home for participation. And, another example of an ODM that thinks they are god and treating customers like muppets is OK. I hope you are wrong, because if you are not there is nothing worth any amount of effort to salvage and it is another nail in the coffin.

This is really no different in concept or application than Micro$loth anointing itself as supreme ruler and granting itself the right of making all of the decisions for Windows 10 users. That sucks, and they can shove it if that is going to be their approach with hardware as well. Maybe the gamer-boys will be happy, ordinary consumers and average business users might not care, but no true enthusiast would be satisfied with this Procrustean approach to things. This approach would lose all respect from the enthusiasts that are willing to pay more to get more.

This would also destroy any chance AMD might have had of getting any of my money. And, if Intel does it, they won't be getting any more of it. I'd have no reason to purchase new products from either of them. I'd buy a turdbook for $300 or less and run Linux on it for web browsing and email if those were the options that remained.

 

It's more a matter of perspective. Given that the computer started out optimized for maximum performance, all variables under the adjustment and control of the hardware / firmware, it would seem odd now - many years later, that it wouldn't have been done that way in the first place.

Overclocking is an anomaly of human laziness, leaving performance on the table so as to not need to spend the time and expense required to fully power, cool, and provide automation sensors and control hardware required upfront in the design to optimize performance fully.

Intel could afford to be lazy for many years, but now they need all the performance available to offer, so they'll find the way to automate it into usable sell-able performance.

AMD on the other hand knows they need to pull out and provide all the performance they have on tap to excel beyond expectations, so AMD will likely continue to lead the way forward in automating CPU / GPU performance in an integrated fashion that only they can provide.

As process optimizations and limitations continue to press on, automation to get the most performance out of the limited resources available makes more and more sense.

 

What you are describing is a utopian fanboy view. I would have no respect for them and would consider them losers for that, not leaders. They probably do not care about enthusiasts, and that's fine. The street can go both directions with that.

Like I said before, I hope you are wrong. Nothing would please me more than for your speculation to be bullcrap. And, I mean that for AMD and Intel. If you're right, there is no reason to care about having fancy computer hardware for people like me. You spend the least amount possible to complete a basic task and find something else to do for fun.

 

Yeah, Same as Micro$h4ft soon push AI and Machine Learning to manage Win Updates on your their computer You don’t need to do a ****y. Will work 110% perfect all time.

What a bright future

 

AMD is already leading the way, Intel only needs to wake up to the opportunity through a need to deliver performance they can't deliver through rearranging cores vs threads, and stem their continuing loss of marketshare, until they have a new process story to deliver.

The path to automation has been becoming reality for a long time, because it makes sense to increase the value of a resource through optimization.

And, if that optimization can be built in to a product so that everyone can benefit from increased performance, it's going to happen as soon as it's cost / benefit opportunity arises.

It makes no sense to leave valuable performance on the table for 99.9% of buyers so that a few people can reserve that right to "tune" it the rest of the way themselves.

Are you suggesting that everyone else be denied full value from their purchased hardware so you can overclock the rest of the way yourself?

It's already happening, I'm only pointing out the obvious.

 

If you choose to look at it that way, sure... why not. That's status quo. They already do that and always have to some extent. Now they just need to convince the muppets that believe they are getting full performance with stock hardware that they are our friends. Shouldn't be hard, since they generally tend to believe whatever they are told.

But in reality, no, they are not going to do that. What you are describing is a dictator, not a leader. So, what you are saying is that they are going to do like the NVIDIOTS do and decide how much we can have, how much they are comfortable allowing us to have, and block/reserve the rest for re-badged "new" hardware with more unlocked later, as they see fit. It kind of seems like AMD already did that to some extent. It's fine for them to decide what they are comfortable with as far as normal limits for ordinary consumers and leave the rest for us to explore as functional limits on a part-by-part basis based on bin quality and individual skill, etc. That's what overclocking is. What you are describing is not overclocking. It's the ODM deciding what we can do with out own property. No thank you. I'm not drinking that Kool-Aid.

 

Overclocking (setting frequency control) might be gone but "overpowering" is alive and well to have hardware run beyond spec.

Just like how driverless cars will still need to be told where to go.

While AMD and Intel still make cpus that will be put in cheap oem boxes with cheap boards with cheap cooling, default settings will still have to be conservative

 

Good analogy. It captures the utter stupidity of the whole concept really well. Telling a driverless car where to go isn't driving. It is merely providing an action plan. But, the owner of a driverless car might be dumb enough to believe he is actually driving simply because he is an occupant in the vehicle. And, if the car refuses to obey your every command because something you told it to do is "out of spec" (ordering it to go over the speed limit, for example,) the person telling it where to go is just a stupid muppet with no real power or true influence over the car. That sucks, just like computers without the owner having the final say how they run within their functional limits will suck. Having the functional limit artificially suppressed and arbitrarily predestined by the ODM will also suck. Such a product is not able to qualify as a "high end" or "enthusiast" product. At best, it is a mainstream belly-button product... a very dull, ordinary, blasé and cliché consumer product.

 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1027170503562330113

 

Nice. At least a select group of Clevo owners will have some good upgrade options available soon. AMD is pretty much missing in action on notebooks and AWOL for overclocking options on desktop. Nice that we still have just a couple of Intel desktop CPU powered options from Clevo, since the mobile options on mobile all universally totally suck. Maybe AMD thinks their business approach on consoles is good enough for enthusiasts and gamers... meaning, gamers can buy AMD-powered consoles for gaming instead of a notebook computer and " enthusiasts that do not overclock their desktop" (an oxymoron) can buy an AMD CPU. The enthusiasts that do enjoy overclocking still have only one option available, same as notebook owners. The Intel desktop CPU is the literally the only viable option for overclocking enthusiasts.

 

core-i9-9900k-and-i7-9700k-turbo-clocks-revealed-4-7-ghz-with-all-eight-cores.html
by Guru3d.com on: 08/11/2018 07:22 PM

Some Intel documentation surfaced on the pending Core i9 9900K and i7 9700K, while most information was already publicly available, the slides also show the various turbo clock frequencies, and they certainly are interesting.

 

Supposed leaked slide shows embargo until "October 2018"


https://wccftech.com/intel-9th-gen-coffee-lake-s-cpu-z390-platform-launch-1st-october/

 

So looks like more leaks with the exact same content, except for the x299 refresh boards and potentially refreshed up to 18 cores, which of true, I'd like to know the process used. Specifically, of the refreshed chips alleged will use 14nm++ rather than the 14nm+ of skylake-x, while also wondering if using the knowledge gained for the coffeelake refresh chips which will be used on the 9000 series, or if they are saving that for a Cooperlake round refresh for this socket next year, which is the cascade lake-x refresh next year. That is what I'd like to know. But this gives no incite on that front.

Still does not change my analysis at all on roadmap. Intel keeps mainstream until around Zen 2 next spring, most likely. HEDT is lost in a week. With the cost of chips, except for a handful of people that are dyed in the wool or willing to burn money just to have the highest OC at a specific core count, this high margin segment is lost. Intel will lose market share in server, the highest margin area, in Q3 and Q4, giving up 4-5% on market share by year end. When Epyc 2 is shown in December alongside cascade, Intel will lose further market share.

Here is an interesting article by semi accurate: https://semiaccurate.com/2018/08/07/intel-has-no-chance-in-servers-and-they-know-it/

Remember, it is alleged to get 10nm out the door, COAG was abandoned. This is why they have switched to alleging it is "12nm" instead. Ignoring the nomenclature, it is about density and I shared many previous ways of calculating density. This means Intel likely gave up the density lead even on their calculation as COAG amounted to 0.9x density of the 2.7x density claim. That is significant.

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I hope the i9-9900K has a stout memory controller.

 

https://videocardz.com/77356/intel-core-i9-9900k-confirmed-to-be-soldered

Soldered chips confirmed.

 

I see one of the slides states "up to 40" PCIE lanes. Am I reading that right? The Intel 8700K is up to 16 PCIE lanes. That's a big jump

 

Would probably require a $500 motherboard for something like that.

If that isn't fake I'm interested.

 

Probably 16 CPU lanes + 24 chipset lanes is my guess.

 

This guy is a WINNER !

INTEL MARKETING AT FULL FORCE!
Rep this guy. He deserves +500 from this.

 

I did my part.

 

Report: 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K Launching Oct. 1
By Matthew Humphries, August 13, 2018 6:30AM EST
https://www.pcmag.com/news/363064/report-9th-gen-intel-core-i9-9900k-launching-oct-1

"Intel's first 9th generation Core desktop processor is expected to launch on Oct. 1, offering eight cores, 16 threads, and a base clock speed of 3.6GHz boosting to 5GHz on single and dual core operations.
...
The wait for 10nm Intel chips is set to be a long one, with Intel's latest estimate being the end of 2019.

So if you do need a new high performance PC and aren't considering switching to AMD Ryzen Threadripper, then the Core i9-9900K looks to be the chip for you.

It will certainly last you well into the age of 10nm Intel chips, even if they get delayed again."

 

And, there is no real guarantee that 10nm CPUs are going to be as wonderful as everyone hopes they will be. If they end up being focused on using less power more than anything else, they might turn out to be not worth a damn. So, I say strike while the iron is hot, live for the moment, and if a drool worthy upgrade surfaces later on, then upgrade later on. Newer isn't necessarily better. We learned that lesson the hard way when Haswell replaced Ivy Bridge.

 

Yeah, Intel's 10nm butt dragging isn't likely going to be pretty in the end, so to speak, and at this point it's been so long I have to believe Intel are looking for any way possible to cut corners to get something out the door and move on...

Intel guts 10nm to get it out the door
What is going wrong with 10nm and what is changed
Aug 2, 2018 by Charlie Demerjian
https://semiaccurate.com/2018/08/02/intel-guts-10nm-to-get-it-out-the-door/

"So what is actually going wrong with Intel’s 10nm process? SemiAccurate has been researching that question for years and it is finally time for a comprehensive answer."

Intel 10nm is actually 12nm?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/93zsv5/intel_10nm_is_actually_12nm/

Better buy now, before Intel completely "slip's away..."

Intel slips after Goldman downgrade over chip manufacturing issues
Struggles with new chip to have impact on broad set of products, analysts say
Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 17:48
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...rade-over-chip-manufacturing-issues-1.3592437

UPDATE: Intel's stock rocked by Goldman's 'sell' call
By Tomi Kilgore, MarketWatch, 08/10/18 02:54 PM EDT
https://www.morningstar.com/news/ma...ntels-stock-rocked-by-goldmans-sell-call.html

 

Last year when I said buy coffee and have to wait, I was expecting 10nm this year. Turns out, 14nm++ refresh (same as what will be on cooper lake next year for refreshing cascade, which is 14nm++ like coffee). So, I do have to admit I was off (just not by much).

Still, even with that, AMD has to execute on 7nm, which even if the process node is good (we will see performance on mobile arm chips first), we won't know if they deliver on 7nm until around December with the Epyc 2 chips. I must admit, I did expect a bit more with the 32 core, but it is more of a limited use product than I thought. That leaves the door open on the 28-core Intel chip if Intel is able to deliver at a reasonable price (if not, then)...

But, the 9900K has the mainstream crown until at least next April, and that depends on AMD delivering at 7nm or not. So, still have that as my recommended buy over all, even with the $450 estimated price (haven't run the numbers, but the performance may be 20% over the 2700X and higher single thread, so better all around product, $100 premium makes sense with nothing to respond). But, that is starting to inch upto giving consideration to the second gen 12-core that will be out in a couple months (which should be like a $200 premium over). But, that means the 1920X may go on sale and make the decision on that (and that is all about workloads at that point).

Thank god for returned competition!

 

This is great. But AMD has absolutely nothing on the video card front worth anything now. It's like they simply gave up so Ngreedia can turn the cut down 2070 into the 2080 while charging 2080 prices for the "degraded" 2080 part (which is a 2070!) and then release the 2080 Ti as the "real" 2080 in specs, but 2080 Ti in name and prices to match.

Yes. Competition is great.

 

That part makes me mad as well. Like, part of it I know is the independent software vendors saying they will not adopt NUMA memory, meaning AMD cannot do multiple smaller dies like they wanted to, and AMD doesn't have the market clout to force them (which sadly enough further entrenches Nvidia). Then, with tensor cores for AI to complete a raytraced image so that they don't fully render each frame, that just throws any chance of brute forcing it by AMD out the window. Then the raytrace gameworks proprietary BS to further knee cap AMD and it looks like a runaway train that has no real way to challenge.

On the commercial side, they will have multi-die GPUs to at least keep that side afloat, but, that doesn't help us and isn't enough. That leaves praying Intel will deliver, which we all saw what happened last time with their GPU project and the problems with 10nm, or Samsung, which is likely just mobile graphics, not an independent GPU. So, that side of the market is just sad as hell right now.

On GPU side, it is just so....

 

This is a CPU thread...

AMD hasn't given up on GPU's.

Nvidia doesn't have to be a jerk by holding back technology, that's their moral choice.

Getting back to Intel, but still OT on GPU's:

Intel won't give up on having their own discrete GPU, will they?

Intel's GPU projects are doomed to fail, as every other attempt, not because it can't be done, but because Intel doesn't have the brass "tacks" to focus and deliver...on their core CPU technology.

Intel!!, get 10nm done before going off tangent and waste valuable resources failing to deliver GPU's, once again!!, sheesh!!

Intel Teases ‘Arctic Sound’ Discrete Graphics Cards For 2020 – First Full on Dedicated Products Aimed at The Gaming Market
By Hassan Mujtaba, Aug 15, 2018
https://wccftech.com/intel-discrete-graphics-cards-arctic-sound-gpu-2020-launch/

 

@hmscott Yes I'm being horribly OT but i am not an Nvidia fanboy.
I've been exclusively AMD since the 9800 Pro. Exclusively and nothing else. Until these new gaming laptops forced me into Pascal.
My desktop still has my old beat up REFERENCE edition Sapphire 290X.
Just letting you know.

 

Exclusive: The AMD Inside Story, Navi GPU Roadmap And The Cost Of Zen To Gamers
By Usman Pirzada, Jun 12, 2018
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-amd-navi-gpu-roadmap-cost-zen/

" Lisa’s dilemma: A CPU comeback with semi-custom centric roadmaps or maintain expensive leadership in graphics for gamers

Pundits that have been following AMD’s progress will almost unanimously agree on one thing – AMD is a company that is cash-starved. With a finite flow of resources, the company has to be very careful of how it allocates the precious pool of R&D and how it does so usually dictates its performance for the next couple of years.

This is also where our story begins. Kyle Bennett of HardOCP first reported a rift between the now-Radeon Technologies Group department and the company’s CEO Lisa Su quite some time ago. The issue was simple, Raja Koduri (the RTG boss) wanted more autonomy and there were rumors that they wanted to spin off the graphics department completely.

Well, we now have the full story in-hand and the issue went much deeper..."

 

Hold your right up, sounds like Nvidia is releasing the 2080 Ti along side the 2080! This release time table must be because 7nm is coming 2019 or early 2020. Or is this a move by Nvidia to absolutely make AMD GPUs outdated garbo? Maybe a combination of both. If this turns out to be true AMD would have to essentially halve their GPU prices and I can't see them being profitable at all at those prices, more likely selling at losses.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-custom-msi-geforce-rtx-2080ti-and-rtx-2080-graphics-card-leak/

 

Sadly, that is already the case today with current gen products and zero effort on the part of the NVIDIOTS is required for that to happen with AMD graphics "solutions" LOL. Vega 64 cannot even match obsolete GTX 980 Ti performance. These are the #1 single GPU scores from both. I used Fire Strike examples because that benchmark more or less ignores anything contributed by the CPU in the overall score.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/6255261/fs/14845878

 

Enthusiasts live in dark times today with the current state of technology. This applies equally to software, and we need to look no further than the garbage OS from the Redmond Retards to see that. AMD has made great strides in the CPU realm and while they don't offer anything I want (yet) they are within striking distance for the first time in 12+ years. Can't hate that.

The part I don't get is the Intel haters. Yeah, their monopoly has sucked and lack of competition is bad for everyone. From where I am sitting, there is reason to be grateful because, let's be honest... Had it not been for Intel (and NVIDIA, since we are being honest,) we would have had absolutely nothing worth a damn since around 2005. None of the awesome benching, and the gamer-boys would have sucky entertainment with a much crappier and less immersive experience than we enjoy today. We owe a lot and should be grateful to both of these technology giants. Most of the hate and ill intent makes no sense. That said, I do understand the excitement from the Team Red fanboys. It is appropriate and deserving, since there has been absolutely nothing for them to be excited about for more than a decade.

 

And this will not be the first time AMD will run into low profitability/low profit or even selling at losses.

 

I think this affects the entire industry to some extent. At least at the vendor level, profit margins are really tight and nobody is getting filthy rich in the space that is customer-facing. The ODMs might be making a killing, but I kind of doubt it. Competition is fierce and I suspect profit margins are tighter for Intel and NVIDIA than they have been in ages. We can thank AMD for that. Just look at what awesome stuff Intel has given us since Zen has started stealing their thunder, LOL. That's great for everyone and reason for rejoicing. Hopefully, money won't be so tight AMD cannot keep up the competitive pressure they have recently created. We do need AMD to stay engaged and continue making a difference. Hopefully, they will never again resign themselves to accepting the last place breadcrumbs that fall from the tables of the penny-pinching bottom feeders like they did for so many years. That would really suck for all of us.

 

Intel is affected by the Great competition but NVIDIA can continue exactly as before due no competition from AMD.

NVIDIA Announces Financial Results for Second Quarter Fiscal 2019
PRESS RELEASE by btarunr Today, 09:45 Discuss (1 Comment)
NVIDIA today reported revenue for the second quarter ended July 29, 2018, of $3.12 billion, up 40 percent from $2.23 billion a year earlier, and down 3 percent from $3.21 billion in the previous quarter.

And it will continue as this... Only hope for gamers/benchers is zero mining.

 

Yes, as long as AMD continues to suck at GPUs, NVIDIA's monopoly will continue indefinitely. NVIDIA is an awesome company, and they are involved in many areas of technology. So much of those profits may be coming from revenue streams not associated with consumer graphics cards and GeForce-powered BGA turdbooks.

 

Report: Intel's 10nm Delay Led to a 2018 MacBook Redesign
Apple was apparently planning to use Intel's new 10nm processors in the MacBook refresh, but with those chips being delayed until late 2019, Apple was forced to perform a redesign and use 14nm Kaby Lake chips instead.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...th-gen-intel-cpus.821041/page-8#post-10782184

Intel, the mismanagement that keeps on giving...

 

The latest Apple/fanboi misdirection from their deliberate design choices?

45W is 45W... Assuming the 10nm 6 core would have been a 45W part, it would be just as hot.

 

No, it was reported before the laptop was even released, it's a new report on the situation.

Intel's 10nm partners all got screwed by Intel's screwup's.

And, Apple and all the other 8th gen partners got screwed by Intel's padding the TDP range, making it look cooler running than it is, and the designs based on the lower power / thermal numbers all overheat.

"Thanks Intel!!"

 

Well, the problem I see here is believing anything said by crApple. Even if it is true, those losers are simply not credible and love making excuses for their failures. And, at the end of the day they think their poop doesn't stink and act like they are the only vendor put off by 10nm not being on schedule. They need to grow a pair and man up on their failures. They released a broken i9 laptop that malfunctions due to their own manufacturing incompetence, so that's their bad, LOL.

I don't think so. Sometimes things don't work out as planned. That's life. Isn't the first time and won't be the last a project gets delayed. Que sera sera.

I think the hype and drama is pretty silly. Two wrongs don't make a right, and companies that sell malfunctioning laptops that go thermonuclear due to their shoddy thermal engineering filth are to blame for their own misery. Their fancy aluminum turdbooks would have been the same worthless throttling aborting with a 10nm hexacore CPU because they are not made well enough to handle the TDP. The only people getting screwed are the end users that buy broken garbage. That is not Intel's fault, or their problem.

absolutely - 100% truth in the midst of childlike drama exacerbated by talking head media fools desperately looking for something they can use to stir the pot to get their jollies... +5 rep

Meltdown and Spectre nonsense was getting old, so the kiddos needed a new story to be all butt-hurt about. This is no different than all of the stupid political nonsense the retarded mainstream media pukes out on a daily basis, other than the topic is technology instead of politics. This kind of silliness needs to be reserved for tabloids and appear next to stories like the 80 year old man that was impregnated by aliens from another solar system.

 

Yeah, sure. Put all the blame on Intel but themself just continue push out all too weak cooling. Intel recommended all the Notebook OEM manufacturers to use/put in 100w PL1 and 125w PL2 power limits for unlocked i9-8950Hk mobile Scam. Nope I don't jump on this

 

Yup... just ludicrous nonsense.

 

When you enter pure garbage spew mode; when you get into that mode there are no facts only hurt feelings lashing out. What you say looks nothing like reality to me, it simply looks ludicrous.

It's clear you aren't going to be anywhere near objective when it comes to Intel.

I've posted Intel's own 10nm quotes from many sources over many years, and Intel's failure after failure to deliver. Which is still ongoing.

It's like watching a giant disaster in slow motion. You know it's gonna happen, you know it's not gonna be pretty in the end, and you know enough to stand well back from it, and not have any investment in it.

At some point I expect Intel is going to figure out the hacked down version of 10nm (12 nm) offers nothing worth selling to consumers, and at that point Intel will give up on 10nm.

I don't think Intel knows what it is going to do at that point.

Even if Intel sells their fab's there is nowhere for their production to go. None of the other foundries have production capacity to take on Intel's production runs, and it will be many years to rebuild a fab refitted to return to licensed current level technology production, if that can happen at all.

Intel needs to be left alone to figure out their way out of the corner they've painted themselves into, which will likely rely on the patch of lies and deceptions that got them there in the first place.

It would be a bad idea to feed Intel more $$$$ for any reason. Investing in the current failed CPU architecture on offer with the same security problems they've been shipping for years - is a dead-end with no future.

Maybe Intel will have a technology break-through, and deliver 10nm.

Maybe Cat's will ride Unicorn's into Battle Victorious.

 

Perhaps. And, maybe someday AMD will offer a product I am interested in buying. There's always a chance, but we're not there yet. Unless and until they do, I am not giving them any of my money. Doing so has always turned out to be regrettable decision. Until I have confidence in their products and satisfaction in what they have to offer, there is no point in considering them as an alternative. I don't hate Intel enough (yet) to compromise my position on the matter and settle for what AMD brings to the table today. But, I will be watching with a closed wallet to see if they eventually pull it off. They have only their checkered past to thank for my doubts about their future. If they get where they need to be, I will be glad to give them my money. But, it won't be an act of charity to help bankroll the underdog.

In the end I don't care who wins. I will go with the winner. For now, the battle continues to rage and until the wind shifts I am not changing sides. AMD hasn't re-earned my trust, so they are not deserving of it at this time, and won't have my support until they do.

I am not moved by theories, speculation or near misses. I am not counting chicks until they hatch, and neither should anyone else.

Let's circle back on this once they've got their act together and maybe then we can have something worthy of celebration.

 

I agree, and I am just as hopeful that Intel pulls out of this in time and delivers on 10nm.

And, maybe we can celebrate together when AMD buys out Intel.


Ludicrous AMD => https://old.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/

 

I think it more likely Apple will buy out AMD.

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That would be a disaster, Apple has no idea how to nurture technology.

And, Apple is anti-games, still to this day - to it's core - so all the AMD console projects would be doomed.

Apple needs so much more than AMD to get their act together. They need to redo their OS again, get out of the small boxes they've contained themselves into, and rethink their worth to the world.

Apple Needs to Think Different, Differently.

Maybe Intel can buy all of those Pascal GPU's that Nvidia has piled up in storage - that are never going to see the light of day - and release them in 2020.

Intel can satisfy the shareholders - declare they failed again - save a boatload of development cash - apply those resources where they are needed - to 10nm.

 

I really don't care about that. Whether they do or don't makes no difference to me. All I care about is having a badass CPU that overclocks like a banshee and (has to do both or it's a failure to me) wins in most of the measurements that I care to measure. It could be 10nm, 100nm, 95W TDP or 1500W TDP... I don't care as long as it does what I want it to. Since I am done wasting money on laptops for the foreseeable future, there's no such thing as too much TDP as far as I am concerned.

Edit: For the record, the one thing that interested me most about Threadripper CPUs is how massive they are. I actually found that exciting. The bigger the better. Just like internal combustion engines. As long as they don't have a governor on them.

They definitely need the money, but I think that would guarantee their failure. It would in my mind. I would boycott them as a matter of principle because there are not enough vulgar words in the English language to capture my contempt for Apple. I'm pretty sure I have plenty of company that feels the same way. I would sooner have no computer before I would ever consider purchasing a Mac. Totally out of the question... today, tomorrow and forever. To me that is tantamount to consuming digital feces.

On this we agree 100%.

 

Apple has invested heavily in TSMC. They are also eager to get out from Intel altogether. Apple also likes AMD GPUs. Apple is not into gaming. Neither is AMD other than the console business. Consoles are black boxes that can't be configured by users. Apple's MO.

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