Intel Extreme Q9100 ES???

So, just got my Q9100 that I ordered on eBay...installation went good...booted machine...noticed BIOS tagged it as a Q9100 Extreme CPU...Im like huh?

Get into Windows 7 run CPU-Z real quick and HOLY E! I have an Extreme Edition Q9100...or its a engineering sample...either way it has a UNLOCKED MULTIPLIER!!!

But, its also a ES chip too according to CPU-z...how the hell do I test this thing to make sure its a good chip? Cause Ive heard all about ES chips and how they can be bad chips on down the road and what not...

Should I request a new CPU or be happy with what I have? I mean, I started up ThrottleStop and had it running 3ghz instantly just due to multiplier...

 

Hi AndroidVageta,

In my opinion,you should not request a new cpu.Your cpu should be enough for you.It has 4 cores,it is a awesome cpu,not the best,but it is awesome.

You should be happy with it.Why would you request a new cpu?You do not do too much cpu needing stuff,such as Adobe Photoshop/After Effects,do you?And dont worry about it's running speed much,it is fine if the temps. are low.

I had difficulty reading your post,please be more clear.If you want to test how good your cpu iis,right click "My Computer/Computer" on windows desktop and select properties,then there should be a option,that tests all your hardware and reports how good it is.

 

what is the ES Code? (Q???)

 

Yeah, I think Im going to stick with it...all the temperature monitors work (as Ive heard some ES dont have working sensors) and I mean, unlocked multiplier...I mean, I BASICALLY all things considered just got a QX9300...slightly slower stock clock, but I run my CPU's overclocked anyways, so this is purely a non-issue at stock speeds.

MAN...I can believe my luck...

 

Um...I dont know? I know its a Q9100...check the CPU-z shot in my first post...should tell you everything you need to know?

 

He is asking for the code on the CPU itself. For example my X9000 is a Q174.

 

Ohhh...hell if I know...anyway to find out other than opening up my laptop and removing the heatsink?

 

Engineering samples have always been multi unlocked.

 

You mean just the Q9100 ES?

Because most core 2 ES CPUs don't have an unlocked multi (like my SP9400).

@OP, can you provide a link to where you got it?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-CORE-QUAD...9113?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item20b19b0149

I THINK I HAVE A QX9300...unless Im mistaken...

Heres a picture of someones QX9300:



Compare all the specs (model, revision, family) to that of my CPU-Z shot in my first post...is this possible?

 

Yours is a Q9100 but different from normal ES/QS Q9100. It is like the Q9200 ES, both with E0 Stepping and didn´t show the correct name, but has unlocked multi. Since it´s E0 runs fine.
PS: The QAVK costs 37USD less than QS QGMU . Source price may be 140USD.

 

wow lucky.. free unlocked ES QX9300..

 

member Soviet Sunrise says in a thread at this forum

... QAVK is an ES Q9100. This is an earlier ES, but is still E0 stepping. It is not recommended as it does not have temperature sensors.

Does your system now run hotter or is there no difference to the original CPU regarding the temperatures?

 

No, theres no difference in heat...however, I do have it overclocked to 3ghz so average temps are higher than stock, obviously. Temp sensors work perfectly on this CPU.

So whats the general consensus? Do I have a gem in my possession? Did I totally luck out? Or are these common?

 

Intel builds a lot of ES processors and sometimes they have characteristics of 2 different retail CPUs and sometimes Intel decides to cancel the project and never builds anything similar to it.

If Intel ever got around to building a QX9100, it would have the same specs as your CPU. The Specifications box in CPU-Z shows exactly what information Intel writes into each processor. The information that shows up in the Name box of CPU-Z is CPU-Z's best guess at what this CPU really is.

The speed in the Specification box shows what this CPU really is.

QX9300 - 2.53GHz
QX9200 - 2.40GHz
QX9100 - 2.26GHz

Those last two never existed at the retail level so its the best guess at what Intel would have called it if they actually sold it.

It doesn't even show up on this list which has a lot of CPUs that Intel never built.

iNTEL Mobile CPU

The Extreme word in the Specification box guarantees that it is an unlocked multiplier like any other Extreme CPU.

The CPUID is 0x1067A which is identical to the retail QX9300 so you shouldn't have any problems with it even though it is an ES.

Glad to hear that ThrottleStop was able to unlock it and get you more performance than you ever dreamed of. Now give it some more voltage to see what it can really do.

 

just don't give more than 1.5v... one QX9300 is already dead we don't need more lol..

 

Wait,correct me if im wrong..
Means you got a q9100 but actually with performance as qx9300? (i mean,it sounds to me like a qx9300 but ONLY with q9100 label on it?)

 

Well there is one difference, the stock multi is lower.

 

The seller still has two of these left on Ebay for $219 which is reasonable.

INTEL CORE QUAD Q9100 2.26GHZ 12M 1066Mhz MOBILE >q9000 - eBay (item 140418679113 end time Jul-18-10 14:32:46 PDT)

When these are gone, just ask ebay sellers to show you a CPU-Z screen shot. If the word Extreme is in the CPU-Z specification box then it has an unlocked multiplier and with the help of ThrottleStop, 3.0 GHz and beyond should be possible with any of them.

 

So these are Q9100's that can have a multi set past the original 8.5? I did not know those existed, only knew of the Q9200's with unlocked multis

 

i was having the same impression as u.

 

And if they can only go to 3 GHz.....using throttlestop.....that is completely not impressive to me.....I was able to validate my qx9300 at 4.33 GHz

CPU-Z Validator 3.1

 

Well you did overclock your FSB, that is one factor which helps you go higher.

Also it will depend on the notebook, I bet someone can get to 4ghz with a Q9100.

They are not really different at all, just the QX9300 is higher binned.

Lastly I doubt anyone has tried 1.5V on a Q9100 yet.

 

i'm quite sure that a QX9300 at 5.0GHz and 1.5V will burn...

 

you cannot do 5 GHz....the chip can't handle it, at least not at 1.5V and about 0C

I was not able to go past 4.33 GHz but that is most likely due to the FSB cap in my laptop.

 

i doubt alienware has a multiplier cap.. i heard there's multipliers till 5GHz so maybe try using higher multiplier at lower FSB... i'm sorry if i don't make sense but i've nver had an extreme CPU..

 

I want to keep the fsb as high as possible actually. I want the highest overclock I can get with the lowest multiplier while reaching that high clock

The reason - memory bandwidth. The FSB design is already a bottleneck so I want to feed as much bandwidth as I can for the memory

 

I didn't get that.. could u explain more plz? Nver got the thing about FSB etc...

 

My Q9100 still isnt overclocking after coming back from Asus for RMA (bad GPU)...I even freshly installed Windows on it and still the same thing...no overclocking...any other thoughts?

 

For ideal performance you want the memory at 4x the fsb. The higher the fsb, the higher the memory speed and therefore performance. Raising the fsb also raises the CPU clock as well. So in order to stay stable the multiplier cannot be too high.

 

When I first got this CPU 11.5 at stock FSB got me to 3ghz perfectly well and stable...no heat issues or anything...now it won't overclock at all...Throttlestop no matter what version doesnt work for shizzle...

 

It has something to do with the Asus motherboard. The one they replaced may have some different characteristics.

 

The GPU's were replaced...not the motherboard...where you getting your information? Haha

 

Obviously they changed something, other than the GPUs, otherwise you wouldn't be having this issue.

I'm done. Good luck with that.

 

I was having this issue before RMA...so I know its nothing that changed once I got it back.

 

I have had issues where my oc was not as high as it used to be. Probably has to do with wear and tear on the power circuitry and possibly some electron migration as well. I used to be occt stable at 3180 MHz on my qx9300 but not anymore haha.

 

I was thinking that, but my laptop is not that old and the Q9100 hasnt been used much...plus, I can't overclock AT ALL...no matter what voltage or anything...past stock speed = fail.

 

All i gotta say is, don't bash any quad core... the Core 2 Quad's are still pretty good.

 

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I do not understand, you first said since it returned from RMA, now you are saying you couldn't OC before RMA, which is it? Also when you say OC = fail. does this mean Throttle Stop just won't change the multipliers, you are getting BSODs, Thermal shutdown or what?

You are being extremely vague and inacurate to be able to help you out here. Kind of like the customer who says my computer isn't working properly, what is wrong with it and expecting an answer.

As said before, with your attitude, good luck with that.............

 

HUH? If you read what you quoted I dont see how that doesnt make sense. CPU WAS NOT overclocking before sending it in for RMA for a bad GPU...I thought it might have been the GPU that was causing the instability but its not as it came back from RMA with a new GPU but it still wont overclock. It USED to overclock but that was before my system froze and crashed (presumably from the bad GPU) causing...for some reason...the CPU to not overclock any more...

And when I say I cant overclock at all I mean SetFSB doesnt overclock at all and neither does Throttlestop...it always fails...and by fail I mean the screen will go black and the system restarts...no BSOD, no garbage on the screen...just a kinda popping noise from my speakers (this is normal when power to the laptop is cut instantly...so nothing to worry about) a black screen and a reboot.

OK cliff notes:

1. Got the Q9100 ES from eBay and it overclocked to 3ghz (11.5 x 266) using Throttlestop instantly...completely stable.

2. GPU goes bad and causes me to have to reboot the computer...Q9100 ES no longer overclocks for some strange reason.

3. Sent in my W90 to Asus to get the GPU replaced (they were replaced, I marked them before sending them in) thinking the GPU was the reason I couldnt overclock.

4. Received the W90 back from Asus RMA with brand new GPUs but the laptop STILL won't overclock using any method...SetFSB, Throttlestop.

5. Im confused as to what is the cause

 

I had a somewhat similar situation with my W90 & Qx a few weeks ago while overclocking. Raising the VID in throttlestop was not showing any affects like temp increase while stressing. After reinstall of win7 its working okay again.

AndroidVageta, do you have access to a kill-a-watt meter?
Might be worth a check just to see what your drawing at idle and we can compare. My comp is stock except for the Qx.

I'm sitting at 88 watts idle, balanced mode & performance.
Before I did the reinstall my idle watts was 95, the only thing I did not install after the reinstall of win was Turbo Gear which I believe is why I'm pullin less now. I've been curious and monitoring the draws while stressing and gaming more often now and some have reached into the upper 220's and this is without GPU o/c. I think the max draw of each GPU alone is 75watts

So maybe it has something to do with the power supply or mb, I don't know but maybe worth a check.

 

You needed say "even after an RMA for the GPU, it still still will not overclock." Your original statement makes it sound like the RMA caused the issue in the first place....

 

I am a little late but maybe this helps.

Maybe something goes wrong with your psu. I have had this problem once, although my laptop refused to boot to os without any overclock. If you got somebody from whom you can borrow, try it out.

And guys. Cut these senseless replies. If you don't have something to add just don't say anything.
As the ancient Greeks used to say : "Silence is gold"

 

Interesting! I happen to do exactly all that in Adobe Creative Media Suite, Premiere Pro, Phoroshop and After Effects and more ispeially Acrobat Pro. So is the ES CPU a not so good choice for me in a Toshiba Qosmio especially since I cannot find how to make use of unlocked multi anyways? If for media encoding renduring, do I want higher clock like a T9900 or go with a better Q9100? I dont want to spend for a used QX9300 on a 3yo notebook I wont be using too much longer compared to my newer i7 quad. What are the ES limits here if using lots of Abobe apps then? I dont really game on this old nootebook.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...unlock-core-2-extreme-multiplier-windows.html

 

after giving up on applying AS5 the proper way, and just smearing it on(looooong story) I absolutely LOVE my q9100 es


everyone says that you don't need a quad, but going from a t9400(2.53ghz,6mb,1066fsb) to the Q9100 was a night and day difference in just about everything....


I have mine runing at a 2.53ghz and slightly undervolted(not a typo) temps stay around 55-60 for internet/video/etc and hit 85 during a prime95 test(3hrs)

 

Yeah going from a Q9000 to a Q9200 was going from a compromise to the best of both worlds.

Get my motherboard back today, hopefully going from a GT240M to a GTX460M =D

 

good luck.. really hope your laptop doesn't roast.. the power difference in between the 2 GPU's is on a scale of 2-3:1.. not looking good for temps.

Panther214

 

Cool cool to hear. I have a question though. I read in some of the other fourms here and on other sites about these ES models not always having the newest coeds and not as good for such apps like Adobe editing stuff. I do mostl this so I'm curious what they mean. I havent noticed a issue yet but I'm curious if I will as I install my Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 here soon.

EDIT: So does Q9100 ES (QS final) QGMU have unlocked multiplier? Can thgrottleStop change it upwards at least?