Intel T1600.. ghost processor..

This processor doesn't seem to exist anywhere but on this forum.. Intel.com doesn't have any mention of it on their website.. there are none for sale on Ebay currently or in recent months.. searches on websites can't find anything for sale anywhere.. in fact the only mention I see of the processor at all is some 'up and coming' discussions and a very few lists of core solo processors developed by non professional websites. Does this really exist? If so where can I get one?

 

It exists, but given how old it is, along with the fact that not many machines used Core Solos, I doubt that you'd be able to find one.

 

I agree, +1 rep

 

Then why doesn't intel acknowledge it on their website? I can find ALL the Core Solo processors that Intel actually lists on their website.. but not this T1600. It's quite strange.

 

may be, they shy?

 

Hm...even Wikipedia has barely any info on it.

link

 

lol im looking for one too...competition! -_-

no but seriously they're impossible to find

the benefit of it would be that its fast (2.2ghz) and would actually be great for gaming since most games dont use multithreading, plus it would make less heat than a dual-core

this would have been a great choice for those with Socket M, if it existed

 

It's probably an OEM only cpu, there can be gaps on Intel's site when it gets to those.


Why do you want one? WHy not just get a Core Duo?

 

Hi Folks,

I did just register as been curious about this particular processor and was searching around the web to find more info
The producer of my new notebook didn't mention it in the data sheet which is quite odd. I bought new ASUS X51L notebook three days ago with that processor T1600 Duo and all I can say about it, so far - so good! Make it great!
It's true - machine use only 65W of power in total, it doesn't get hot, the warm air which goes out at the back trough ventilation is hardly to notice. However, my machine use Intel® GMA X3100 vga but it's still very good with DVD video movies.
Processor itself is Duo core; 1,63 GHZ each, with 1 MB L2 and Vista 32bit works just fine + it has 2 GB of RAM single channel.

Again, I have it for just three days now and as soon I see more and do some tests I'll be happy to share with you

Cheers

 

Are you sure it isnt a t1600 celeron? Intel reused the old model numbers for some reason.

 

Actually, there is only one reason: selling.

 

Yes, I am sure. The closest match is this model T2300 2 MB L2 1.66 GHz 667 MHz 31W , but instead of 2 MB L2, T1600 has 1 MB.
Code name - Merom.

The only Celerons dual core for notebooks are E1200 and E1400.

I'll do soon some more tests of my notebook so I will upload more info about it.

short, from CPU-Z tool;
Genuine Intel(R) CPU T1600 @ 1.66GHz, 65 nm
Multiplier x Bus speed 10.0 x 166.3 MHz
Rated Bus speed 665.0 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L2 cache (per processor) 1024 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64-byte line size

 

It is a Celeron Dual-Core, most likely with the GL-40 chipset.

 

Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 4.00.20081113

Time Stamp: 2008/11/19 09:31:42
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Active cores per processor: 2
Disabled cores per processor: 0
Processor Name: Unknown Intel(R) Processor
Type: 0
Family: 6
Model: F
Stepping: D
Revision: A3
Maximum CPUID Level: A
L1 Instruction Cache: 2 x 32 KB
L1 Data Cache: 2 x 32 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: Unknown
EIST: No
MMX(TM): Yes
SSE: Yes
SSE2: Yes
SSE3: Yes
SSE4: No
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: Yes
Hyper-Threading Technology: No
Intel(R) 64 Architecture: Yes
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: No
Reported Processor Frequency: 1.66 GHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 664 MHz
********************************************************
The tested Intel(R) processor appears to be an engineering sample, not a production processor. The utility is designed to support production Intel processors only. Sample processors are not warranted by Intel, and are not intended for resale.

If this information differs from what was expected, please contact the PC system manufacturer or microprocessor place of purchase.
********************************************************

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Again, it is not Celeron and in my notebook comes with Chip type: Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family
Northbridge Intel GL960 rev. C0
Southbridge Intel 82801HBM (ICH8-ME) rev. 04

Only dual core Celerons are these;
E1400 65 nm 512 KB L2 2.00 GHz 800 MHz
E1200 65 nm 512 KB L2 1.60 GHz 800 MHz

link - support.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/celerondualcore.htm

 

More about "unknown" T1600; from Everest Ultimate edition;

CPU Properties
CPU Type Mobile DualCore Intel Pentium, 1666 MHz (10 x 167)
CPU Alias Merom-1M
CPU Stepping M0
Instruction Set x86, x86-64, MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3
Original Clock 1667 MHz
Min / Max CPU Multiplier 6x / 10x
Engineering Sample No
L1 Code Cache 32 KB per core
L1 Data Cache 32 KB per core
L2 Cache 1 MB (On-Die, ASC, Full-Speed)

Multi CPU
Motherboard ID ASUSTeK SANTAROSA
CPU #1 IntelGenuine Intel(R) CPU T1600 @ 1.66GHz, 1662 MHz
CPU #2 IntelGenuine Intel(R) CPU T1600 @ 1.66GHz, 1662 MHz

CPU Physical Info
Package Type 479 Ball uFCBGA / 478 Pin uFCPGA
Package Size 3.5 cm x 3.5 cm
Process Technology 8M, 65 nm, CMOS, Cu, Low-K Inter-Layer, 2nd Gen Strained Si
Core Voltage 1.325 V
I/O Voltage 1.325 V

CPU Manufacturer
Company Name Intel Corporation

 

CPUs that work on the Santa Rosa platform, work on the Montevina Platform as well. The Mobile Celeron Dual-Cores will appear on Intel's site in some time. There has always been confusion related to new processors before. So give it a bit of time, and it'll be on Intel's site in a couple of weeks.

(I remember there was a fuss that the P7350 had not been acknowledged by Intel and was said to be an off-road map CPU by a reseller because it was a Budget CPU, etc etc, and now it is listed in detail by Intel)

There are two other Mobile Celeron Dual-Cores -- T1400 (1.73GHz/533/512Kb) and a T1500 (1.86GHz/533/512Kb), and the T1600 (1.66/667/1MB).

The T1600 was released alongwith the Montevina Platform, and is offered on budget notebooks with budget chipsets, i.e. GL960 and GL-40. It is compatible with the GL960, because it is based upon the same old Merom Core, and has a compatible PGA with a FSB < 800MHz.



(And software don't get updated at the same rate at which new CPUs are released)

PDCs support EIST, whereas Celerons don't, so it is a Celeron for sure.

 

Yasus, can u run CPUZ and post a screenshot?

humm, all the specs look exactly the same as for t2330, but FSB is faster here...

 

Sure this is for sure a mysterious processor. However, I'm quite satisfied with it, so far.

 

I m pretty sure that this is part of the Celeron Dual Core range as someone mentioned earlier. OEMs CPU don't get detected by programs that quickly but maybe in the next CPUz revision it will be updated.

It should perform quite well, just no speedstep.

 

i'm totally confused now... why would they release a model which is better than t2330 but give it a lower number? Given the fact that before they used t1xxx only for Core Solos, weird... But if it actually is an OEM Celeron with no speedstep, then it explains a bit

 

So far as we can see the only "problem" with this (still ghost) processor is that famous Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology?! I'm pretty new in this field of Intel's "little tricks" as been fan of AMD for the last 8 years. This is my second machine with Intel since the first Celeron, so I'm back home now
The full information of EIST is here (system still blocks me to post full links) - download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/30922106.pdf

So now, as this is all about power and the matter of BIOS - A BIOS must have support for Enhanced Intel SpeedStep technology. For BIOS related questions, contact your system or motherboard manufacturer.
As there is no possibilities to play with this Bios in Asus X51L, all I can relay on is softwares within Vista
Now, check these data from Intel tool Intel(R) Processor ID Utility, when the laptop is plugged in or on battery;

Plugged in - High performance


Plugged in - Quiet office


On battery - battery saving


ASUS software - Powe4Gear eXtreme


Any comment? And please folks - don't call it Celeron until Intel even doesn't have the clue what is it and how to name it!? I'll prefer this name - LH - Little Hybrid

 

I would call it Core L2/2 Duo =))

 

I guess T1600 is one of the old Pentium Dual Cores, which means it's not really two physical cores. It will be somehow close to 3GHz.

Not better than the T2330.

 

Looks like Asus have gone to bus throttling to reduce power. That would be the other way to slow the CPU down and reduce its thermal output along with the chipset thermal output. Newer chips like the one found in my G71V also down clock the CPU bus at very low loads.

If the chip did have EIST then you would not see a drop in bus speed but the CPU speed would drop as the multiplier stepped back. Because we also see a drop in bus speed we can assume no EIST and thus a celery processor.

 

I think this is the correct answer.

 

Yup, you are right! I'm not allowed to post sites, but here's the proof though: ACER eMachines E520 17" Celeron Dual Core T1600 2GB 160GB WLAN Vista Home Basic (LX.N140Y.027-)

A laptop I found.
So it is after all a Celeron M Dual Core.

 

yeap, close to the name Asus already put on sticker



@Hiuy.Yuki - to find the correct name or product is not enough to look just to the advertises but to the right sources I did search a lot all through the Intel site and all pdf. data about dual and single core proc.


@Qwakrz - ..... stuff..... (to big to quote and be kind to forum) This is something I found a bit offensive. I did come here just to put some more light onto this so called "problem" with the "ghost" processor. And not to post "stuff" what you find too big!?!
As for EIST - there are new (only two) Dual core Celerons which support it so there is no reason to speculate or even think what might be or not this particular processor!

Thanks

 

Definitely seems like Dynamic FSB Switching working.
1.66 GHz at 667 FSB = 1.0 GHz at 400 FSB.
It's that last one I'm confused by - I didn't know the chipset was capable of throttling down to 320 FSB!

 

Whatever man, since the number is T1600 means it's lower than Pentium Dual Cores, it must be a Celeron No shame in having one. Btw, I went to a shop today, saw several laptops with T1600

 

Lol, I think we have established that this isn't a ghost processor but more like the programs haven't been updated to detect the processor and the Intel site hasn't been updated with the OEM processor as usual.

It may be detected as something different, because Intel based it on another processor but cut down on some features. I had a T5750 (2.0,667,2MB) being detected as a T7200 (2.0,667,4MB) in CPUZ.

It makes logical sense in that it follows the Celeron Dual Core labelling; T1400; T1500; T1600. If you have a search on the net you ll find that T1600 is described as a Celeron Dual Core in many of the laptops being sold right now eg (Toshiba Satellite L300-1BW).

Is there no Spec list on the box when you bought the laptop? Or even a sticker telling you what processor it is on the palmrest?

No shame in having a Celeron, great performance for the money.

 

Especially a dual-core Celeron! Should serve you far better than a single-core would.

 

Yasus, I didn't mean offence to you at all. One thing that really drives me up the wall is people quoting images in a reply so that it takes up 4 times the space and makes the thread look untidy, I have a habit of shortening quotes if they are big.

 

I have this Celeron Dual-Core processor on my notebook too. I can't get EIST work on win xp and ubuntu. I don't know if it is the faulty BIOS or chipset (SiS 671MX). So far I cannot find a clue on the web that someone has a notebook with this processor can get EIST work.

I also notice that the power consumption of my notebook is too high. It draws more than 24W even everything is set to minimal (0% cpu load, dimmest screen, muted, no wifi, no usb, etc). And the battery runtime therefore is so poor.

Hope that someday someone would find a solution to get EIST work on this CPU!