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    Intel’s Core-X i9 and i7 series (x299) & Xeon (1P/2P)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Dr. AMK, May 12, 2017.

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    i9 starting at $1400 and upwards... what else would you be paying... :eek:
     
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    Some people has no problem with that, and they can pay easily for a REG with $15K, not me for sure :).

    Forget Core i7, there is a new top dog in town
    https://mspoweruser.com/forget-core-i7-new-top-dog-town/

    Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk

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    Intel really has to adjust their naming convention, when the i9 launches they literally throw logic out the window.

    And yes I am prepared for you die-hards to tell me that 77xx is a i7 and 78xx and 79xx is a i9, but it still makes no sense.
     
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    Actually for the first time ever it does make sense. Till now we had i7s on two different sockets - "a bit" confusing, no? Now we have clear differentiation.
     
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    No more than having zeons on both sockets or having i7s on different generations of sockets
     
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    Amd finally put something out that made intel have to work for performance crown last time this happened we got core 2 and then nahalem
     
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    Ah, I remember the Intel fans saying about count what is in hand and not in the bush. You guys are all too funny.
     
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    Nah, nothing's changed. :)

    But 1TFLOP performance is a milestone for a 'semi' consumer CPU, no?

     
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    Dr. AMK, no comments or conclusions from you on this video?

    I won't watch it (it is obviously biased based on the first 10 seconds... featuring Linus), but let me guess.

    i9 isn't what he expected from Intel (regardless of how it actually performs for the workloads it is suited for).

    Am I right? :)

     
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    I totally agree with you.

    I'm using Intel in 90% of my systems since 1982. The new AMD 1800x is a beast at multithread performance, but in the same time the new intel i9 7900x multithreaded performance is very impressive and does beat out the 1800x in almost everything. I'll wait to see how Threadripper will do and I think it will be serious fight, specially that Intel bringing the server technologies to the competition, we have just wait and see who will win that fight.

    The Intel old school engineers and management was focusing all the time on how to deliver the best technologies to the market, but the new management in my opinion are focusing how to make more money, they are confused after AMD flagships appears, and they are making some mistakes.

    I don't market to any You-tubers, I just like some of their works, and the comedian way that they performing to give the information.
     
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    I hate watching TV (commercials...)... Watching youtube wannabes? Like I've died and gone straight to h$$$.

    I guess I have a different perspective of what is 'comedy'. When I want info; I want it distilled, complete and with no BS. Preferably as a PDF too. :)

     
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    Dr. AMK, you wouldn't have the links for the first 4 editions from John L. Hennessy by any chance?

    Great PDF! Thank you for sharing.
     
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    I'll try to get back to my old storage, maybe I can find them for you. I'm happy that you like it :).
     
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    Dear Friend @tilleroftheearth, please find the 5th, 4th and 3rd Editions in the link below, I'll try to find the 2nd and 1st one if you like.
    Regards.
    Computer_Architecture
     
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    Dr. AMK, thank you so much!

    I didn't expect this today and certainly not so quickly either! You've made my day. :)

    If it's not too much trouble and you have the time, I would appreciate the 1st and 2nd editions just as much.

    Thanks again. :) :) :)

     
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    You are welcome,
    I'll try to look deeply in my old storage again, I'll be with limited access for sometime, after vacation i'll start searching for you..
    Have a nice day :)
     
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    ASUS + Corsair X299 Launch
     
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    Sorry the browser picked up the video from another thread. It first refused to move the video post with an error then did that. Now all fixed.
     
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    It seems this is no longer leaked information (even the OP is posting current real information), so I have renamed the thread as real actual benchmarks and information is available.
     
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    Honestly, Some of This Makes NO Sense...


    Intel i9 & X299 5 Reasons Not To Buy!


    The Intel i9 7900X is a Monster Processor You Shouldn't Buy


    Ask GN 52: What's Intel Doing?...
    First question is "What is Intel doing?" 00:51 till 10:39


    Intel Core i9-7900X, i7-7820X & i7-7800X Review, Hot, Hungry & Hella Fast!


    Intel i9 7900X Basin Falls X299 10C20T Review


    Intel's "12K" Blunder & PCIe Lane x8 v. x16 SLI Benchmark
     
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    Agreed as of late, it is Intel bashing season. It is funny as these other guysn did not join the band wagon until Linus and that one other guy did so. Now it is a free for all.
     
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    To be fair Linus and the others started in on Intel right after the X299 and i9 info was available, there wasn't anything but rumor before that. They all started up right at Computex 2017, the earliest possible.

    I haven't found a good review of the i9 CPU's yet, they all bash the Intel release (1st of 3(?)), except for this one that has some positive, but he can't find the 7820x that he likes from the release - so he comes off on that and more as not positive either :)

    Intel i9 & X299 - Too little, too late?
     
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    Yeah, this could end up being a bad one.
     
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    Also note that if you do keep up with BIOS updates; the fix may already be in place.

    See:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hyperthreading-kaby-lake-skylake-skylake-x,34876.html

    Can't be too bad - I've had no repeating issues, nor have my clients either.


     
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    Intel Core i9-7900X Overclocking, Can We Tame the Beast?
     
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    My question would be since the HT errata was known since April with a fix is the new x299 platform devoid of the issue? That would be a good reason to sneak that in then with the lower end Kabylakes etc..
     
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    Answered in the Skylake / Kaby Lake Hyper-threading bug thread.
     
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    Intel Core i9 Explained
     
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    The X299 VRM Disaster (en)
     
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    Wow, that stinks. I was familiar with the only 8 pin issue as it had been mentioned much earlier. That was the issue with looking at the 12,14,16 and 18 core variants, delivering power to the board and through the socket. Hopefully they get a clue too before the x399's come out so a similar issue is not there as well.
     
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    Yeah, der8auer really uncovered some disastrous x299 mainboard design and implementation, as he said, none of them are safe to use.

    Hearing that the single 8-pin power cable is running that hot at the PSU and could catch fire in a closed case (tested in open rig) is enough for me to wait until the board vendors get their act together.

    His advice to wait 2+ months before getting a high-end x299 main board, probably wait until 2nd rev x299 mainboards are released, sounds about right.

    Hopefully word will get back to the x299 mainboard vendors and they can rev new x299 mainboards sooner.
     
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    Again though this is if you plan to overclock, but I would say also plan to upgrade the CPU.
     
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    Rest In Peace X299, not Soldered IHS, Crap thermal Paste, P state bugs with BIOS due to the TDP efficiency in advertising and limiting OEMs for the same vs Performance, High temps due to the former & latter, Not so great IPC & Now we have another LOL..



    Intel just wants money cash milking with the stupid RAID (VROC) extortion, High pricing with super less lanes, Blow warranty if you OC or not due to Delid, i5 and not HT X series with non Quad Channel KBL. Internet mob..go go go :cool: :p ;)

    Thanks to da man - der8auer for his insights on the most crucial things, no B$ straight to the point as always.
     
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    I'm still waiting for an AMD HEDT CPU that overclocks like a banshee on steroids... like 16C/32T at 5.0GHz. The 1800X just ain't gonna cut it. Maybe Threadripper will get the job done. Once they have that and a Pascal killer that also overclocks like a banshee, I will bite and start hating on Intel and NVIDIA. The thought of having a belly-button PC that runs the same as the gamer kid next door sounds like as much fun as watching paint dry. It's pretty sweet how massive Threadripper is. If it overclocks like crazy it will be awesome. I hear Alienware has a direct line on Threadripper, so we may not get to see a good example of what it is capable of (since they ruin everything they touch by gimping the crap out of it to stunt performance). I'm not interested in cost/performance ratio mumbo jumbo.

     
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    I highly doubt we will see 5.0 GHz. Now it does though seem to be based on the 2nd stepping but I think that may have been what was needed to get 2 or more CCX clusters to work properly. I think this is why the 1920 and 1950x show up as Summit Ridge and stepping 1. The CPU's were made but AMD knew there was a problem. So now TR and Epyc are stepping 2 of the CCX cluster and are Whitehaven. I may be wrong but this is my thought as of now with the limited info we have.
     
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