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    Is 12GB ram sufficient for 4TB HDD?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by CandleJakk, Feb 24, 2017.

  1. CandleJakk

    CandleJakk Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yeah so, I'm budling a laptop with these configurations:
    Windows 10 64-Bit
    12GB Ram
    4TB HDD
    i7 Processor

    Yay or nay?

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  2. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    @CandleJakk RAM size is not related to HDD capacity in any way; 12GB is good enough in most scenarios, but you didn't describe what you're going to do with it. HDD as OS drive is a disaster if the machine will be portable, you need an SSD to make it balanced. i7 can be weak Y, dual-core ULV and quad-core, by the way - and their performance differs respectably.
     
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    What do you mean?



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  4. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    @CandleJakk HDDs are slow as hell compared to SSDs. Even with i7 and tons of RAM, your machine will be sluggish if you run your OS off HDD, and battery life will take a noticeable hit too.
     
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    SDDs are of course miles better, but that's not the question here.

    "Run OS off HDD"
    Well, isn't that the usual?




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  6. DukeCLR

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    These days people are running the OS on a SSD and storing everything else on a HDD or slower SSD. Having your OS on a SSD would be noticeable where adding a small amount would not.
     
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    Will 32GB SDD be efficient to store Windows 10?

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    I don't think so, I wouldn't go below 128.
     
  9. CandleJakk

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    Will it last eternally?

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    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    @CandleJakk no. 256GB is efficient if you get it cheap; 128GB may be OK, but only if dirty cheap - at around $30, otherwise just buy 256GB. SSD longevity depends on a number of factors; chances are, it will become obsolete earlier than it breaks, especially at this small size - that's why 1TB would be my recommendation, if your budget allows it.
     
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  11. CandleJakk

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    I plan to install ONLY Windows on SSD. Or maybe you tryin' to say that size clots as days go on?

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  12. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    @CandleJakk the system will feel sluggish anyway unless you install both Windows and frequently used software on an SSD. Some people do store games on HDDs, though - but loading times suffer, obviously. New high-quality 256GB MLC drive can cost as low as 55$, depending on form-factor; and good 1TB drive can be bought for $200. Other SSD sizes offer worse price per GB.
     
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    CandleJakk, you are approaching the question backwards in my opinion.

    Instead of asking "how much do I need?" you should be asking "how much am I using now?" Open up your system activity monitor and disk utility, and make a note of things like: How much hard disk space are you currently using? How much RAM do you use under various workloads? How hard is your CPU working?

    This will help you to understand your computer needs. Once you have some hard numbers, it will help you in your computer shopping. For example, if you typically use 10gb of RAM to do your job, then 12gb is probably not enough, it doesn't really give you room to grow. On the other hand if you only use 4gb under the heaviest load, then 12gb might be overkill.

    Of course it is also good to plan for the future. If you get a little more than you think you need, then you will be prepared for more resource intensive applications of the future.
     
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    I've decided 128GB SDD and 4TB HDD. 12 gigs of ram and i7 Processor.


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    where do you get a 4tb HD from. The only 4tb HDs are 15mm thick which is too thick for laptops. Most laptop max thickness HD is 9.5mm and a lot are going for 7mm. The max size 9.5mm or 7mm HD is 2tb.
     
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    Sounds like a nice machine, one thing to consider is RAM configuration, to get 12 are you putting in 3 4gb sticks? or an 8+, you may wan to look at the price for 2 8Gb sticks, this way dual channel will work, if your chipset allows.
     
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    You're not using ZFS; purchase what RAM you think you'd need. Using Photoshop with very high-res photos, video editing, flight simulation... All RAM-intensive tasks.
     
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    He hasn't stated which i7 he actually puts in. As one of the guys noticed, it's a big difference if heavy photo/video processing included. To my knowledge, anything below 6700HQ could prove a bad decision.

    Also, isn't 4TB HDD a bit overkill? Why not getting 2TB and investing the rest into far more useful and utilizable 256GB SSD?
     
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    OP needs to explain what the laptop will be used for.

    But at minimum 256GB SSD for OS and frequently accessed programs if you're going to do more than just surf. Games and storage on HDD is perfectly fine IMHO. You can grab a 2TB laptop hard drive for under $100. 8GB RAM is bare minimum, but 16GB is the "sweet spot" for most users and shouldn't leave your system starved in any event.

    Specifics of the laptop OP is configuring as well as their intended use would help us help them.
     
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    OP, could you clarify what i7 processor you are referring to?

    Or better yet, could you list the laptop model(s) you are currently looking at buying?
     
  21. tilleroftheearth

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    Worst combination possible.

    128GB SSD's are slow, low quality and prone to fail.

    12GB RAM is limited to a non-asynchronous ram setup (i.e. less than optimal bandwidth available for the full capacity of the RAM in use).

    4TB HDD? As others have mentioned; is this is a notebook? Is this 2x 2TB drives RAID'ed together?

    If the i7 you have specced for your notebook is a true Quad Core/Eight Threaded CPU of current vintage - your choices above all greatly limit the performance it can provide.

    Your workload/workflow and your expectations/budget will dictate what configuration will work best for you. The current configuration you have indicated is setup for watching/storing video/images/songs and not much else, imo.

    Good luck.

     
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    Notwithstanding the rest of your post, how come? I have 120 GB Samsung 840 Evos in my notebook. Neither have failed after nearly 10 TB writes over two and a half years.
     
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    Don't get him started. tiller is a smart guy with lots of PC experience, but feels only top end will do even if you're only doing mundane tasks. I have a 128GB mSATA SSD in my daily heavy use (Asus with i7-5500U) laptop (used as a browser, streamer, server, terminal, and general purpose stuff) that I've run for at least two years now and has had nary an issue. My other daily Samsung portable laptop also has a 128GB SSD and run just fine for a couple years now as well.

    That being said, if I had the option of a 128GB vs 256GB I'd opt for a 256GB because we always can use more space.
     
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    Been using a 128GB SSD from Kingston for about a year and a half now. Works fine.
    But yes, if I had the option between 128 GB and 256 GB... I'd go for 256GB due to more space.
    I am also curious to understand how is it possible to fit a 4TB hdd into a laptop.

    I could understand using an external 4TB HDD... but for internal one, you'd likely need 2 regular HDD's used in a RAID configuration - and most laptops (especially on a budget, come with just 1 HDD space these days).
    Then again, if it's a thicker laptop, it might have space to accommodate a thicker HDD...
     
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  25. Jarhead

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    Well, I guess we'll never know since OP has stayed silent for some time now.
     
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