Is G-SYNC no longer necessary in laptops anymore?

Is G-SYNC no longer necessary in laptops if the laptop's monitor refresh rate is 120Hz or more?

I recently noticed that most MSI laptops does not have G-SYNC feature n them anymore.

 

That's because vendors are shipping displays hot off the new display procurement before Nvidia has time to certify the display for G-Sync.

This has been an on going problem for at least a year, as people push to have >1080p/60hz displays, whoever gets the coolest display in their configuration sells the most units, but those early units are almost always without Nvidia G-sync certification.

The unfortunate thing is that even after Nvidia completes testing, add's the display to their installer, and the vendor gets the go ahead to include G-sync in new units, the old units shipped with a non-G-sync GPU, so they can't be upgraded to G-sync. They'd need new GPU hardware enabled for G-sync.

So keep that in mind, either wait for G-sync certification, and buy carefully from the product stream as older non-G-sync units will likely still be coming from warehouses - I'd call and have the seller pick the unit they are going to ship for you, have them take a photo of the inventory sticker on the side of the box - check for G-sync and tell them they must ship that particular unit or you will reject the shipment at the door - in the photo the serial number should show, make sure you can read it and read it back to the seller while he has the box in his hand before shipping.

Yeah, it's a lot to keep straight, but a lot of people have received non-G-sync product if they don't get tight about it.

 

I also personally find GSync very helpful at these higher refresh rates. When you drop frames or can't hit 120 it's so much more enjoyable vs without GSync.

 

But this is too late now since you can no longer buy an MSI laptop from Resellers that still got G-Sync on it. I just finished chatting with HIDevolution and XoticPC chat support and they told me that Nvidia and laptop manufacturers has dropped G-Sync feature in notebooks.

 

It's still needed if you ever drop well below 120 FPS. If you can maintain 100+ FPS at all times on a 120Hz panel, tearing is basically non-existant even with G-Sync/VSync off. But that's not feasible in all games, plus some games are locked at 60 FPS. So G-Sync makes the drops more visually tolerable.

 

I doubt that, but if true that's a real problem.

Due to the display certification issues the vendors pulled G-sync listings from their product pages, even when G-sync became available, this happened about a year ago. And, there have been G-sync models shipping even without G-sync listed on their product pages.

Let me see if I can dig out some info...

Back to MSI AB + RTSS Frame Limiter then

 

LOL

Nice digging bruh.

 

Is it true that Gsync on laptops is all about certification since there's no gsync chip (like on external monitors) it's just technically just an adaptive vsync? That would explain why aftermarket panels are available on the open market for prices far below what you'd get an external gsync monitor for, such as 100usd for a gsync laptop panel vs +$200 for gsync feature alone (for gsync version of same external monitor) - unless its a reseller selling the panel where the price up beyond $500 (since they are who nvidia slugs for the certification?)

 

Use nvidia inspector profile and Change Screen Refresh rate or something from Standard to adaptive. Well, almost Software based GSync w/ lot of input lags.

 

There is a hardware component, as when non-certified displays are shipped they are shipped with non-G-Sync GPU's.

IDK what the difference is, if there is any actual hardware other than some pin configuration indicating it's G-sync capable to the driver, there have also been G-sync and non-Gsync vbios's.

@Prema has worked with this issue on Clevo laptops shipping with non-certified displays with non-G-sync GPU's, and how they can't be upgraded later without swapping the GPU.

@Prema do you have any interesting details to add for this thread about the issue? And, have you heard anything about a large move to stop G-sync in laptops initiated by Nvidia - this is new to me.

 

Sorry for not being specific, yes there is the hardware component in the GPU, and certification as I understand is for the specific combo of mobo/gpu/panel. My question was only about the hardware in the panel itself (i.e. Gsync chip or not)

 

@hmscott

http://prntscr.com/g36pia

It's now clear that they dropped G-sync feature.

 

Well, it may be temporary, just like the GT73 and other brand new models with brand new displays, they shipped without G-sync when first released because the new display hadn't been certified with Nvidia.

That new GT75 panel is 3ms instead of 5ms, and it's got HDR, so all new stuff.

Since G-sync is still very much a thing and in demand, I doubt makers will drop it if it's available to them.

Maybe check out the Nvidia forums for people talking about certifying new displays for G-sync or discussing G-sync in general on new laptops, that's where you can chime in and put in your vote to certify that new display.

Try to get the display make/model along with the laptop make/model and post that info requesting G-sync certification for the display / laptop from Nvidia.

Good luck

BTW, where was that post from? Can you provide a link? If not to it, then the online forum?

 

Thanks bruh, I'm off to Nvidia forums now as we speak.

I PM'ed one of the MSI Rep here in the forum @snallygaster.