Is it safe to upgrade a laptop with an ES CPU?

I see a lot of people selling ES CPU. The price is quiet cheaper than the oem one.

My question is, is it safe to use an ES CPU? I am not thinking of overclockin at all. Just a regular use.


It's gonna be on my Dell Inspiron.


Thank you so much for the information

 

I'm having serious problems with my MSI (random BSODs) and am unable to install 64 bit Windows anything. No 7, Vista, XP, nothing. This may just be a quirky CPU I have though.

 

wow.... this is so damn scarry.... anybody else having the same problem???


wow wow wow wow... all I can say is wow...

I am thinking of using the 64 bit with this new one...

what is the main different oem and es anyway?


thanks

 

don't freak out please! I just have a problem with my specific CPU and specific laptop, this CPU was purchased separately and mine is just a little retarded apparently. I have no idea what the difference is, but apparently my CPU and mobo don't agree with each other.

 

Maybe you should read this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...ades/478293-what-engineering-sample-cpus.html

 

I had a x7800 ES for a few weeks on a gateway 6831 and that cpu was just fine. The cost was much cheaper then a regular x7800, I had to get rid of it because the heat was just too much for me so I went with a t8300 instead. Most people dont have any problems with their ES chips.

 

See my sig, the T8100 is ES cpu, and the seller said it was from a Portege notebook LOL
anyway it has no problem and in fact is really cool (as you expect from Penryn)

 

I keep having to reset the embedded controller on my laptop to keep the BSODs under control. Arrrgh I wish I got a better ES... maybe mine is a very early stage?

 

Maybe you should underclock the CPU, lower the multi a bit?

 

well, I've already tried undervolting it but RMclock won't change my voltages. Bummer.

I don't really want to underclock it although that might help, see, I went from a 3.4GHz overclocked Q9400 to this 2.53GHz C2D and this is my main machine. I can't drop TOO far.

Anyway, I reset the EC after the clean install of Windows 7, and it's stable enough to use as long as I'm not doing any mission critical work on it, because, Murphy's law will come into effect and it'll certainly BSOD.

 

Can you get a refund for the CPU?
Or a free replacement?

 

ES chips are usually fine. It is just that they are early almost prototype versions of chips before the OEM gets release. Usually these chips are used for testing and such and as a result are sold for less.

There is a chance they won't be as good as the OEM though because of this. Many people simply steer clear of ES chips because they want to know exactly what they are getting. Rather than possibly risk getting a lame duck.

 

The member who sold it to me is hopefully driving it up here this afternoon!

 

ok, well good luck hope you get it sorted out.

 

Yeah get a Penryn ES CPU if you are getting one, they run much cooler since they are basically a 45nm Merom with a couple new instructions... LOL.

 

ES can be iffy. You have to try and find one that is closest to actual release to OEM date (I think they refer to them as QS) to be safe and get everything enabed, temperature sensors and the like. Although no one has mentioned it yet be sure to get one that is a true PGA. The ES (even non ES but OEM release) chips that are originally BGA have the pins manually soldered on and that can be an issue as well.

 

really speaking stay away from ES ... they have a lot of problems... some lack thermal sensors and features.. also they're the property of intel and are stolen and sold by these ppl.. IMO , stay away from them. not worth it.

 

That isn't always the case, let the bloody OP decide for him/herself, and btw they aren't all literally "stolen" from posession.

 

whats with all this negative feedback with es cpus? they are fine as long as you follow the rules on buying stuff.

you know reputable seller, warranty, etc, etc.

i have an es x9100 and it actually runs better then my friends oem x9100. (slightly cooler as well)

as long as you follow the basics on purchasing even if it doesnt work then you can just get a replacement or refund.

 

yeah Es chips are situation specific. case in point, the ES chip that was in Impathetics MSI is now in this m17. i am running Orthos non stop for 2 hoours and 13 mins , over clocked to 3.125ghz,while i type this message. i also am listening to music. i think it has alot to to do with the build of the motherboard & the BIOS. Some dell machines wont even boot with an ES chip while others, see no difference at all. i bought a M2400 from Fourm member David, and used a battery of es chips ranging from T8300 all the way up to x9100, and none of them would even boot the computer, i got an oem T9600, it ran like a champ. personally i dont mind using them, but if i had a choice ie i can afford to, i will go oem or retail. hopefully Bens machine will be stable now so he can enjoy it =) but watch out for the people who will tell you they are property of INtel blah balh blah... if INTEL REALLY didnt want them in the market place they wouldnt be available at all, i think its just BS marketing. so intel can eat a fat one. buy up some ES chips they are ok in most situations, just be forwarned that SOMETIMES they will not work properly. you get what you pay for. even if its someone elses stuff ;p

 

problem being is that there is NO 'standard' for what a specific ES cpu may or may not be missing feature-wise.

no way to tell in advance, no way to tell from chip to chip.

 

Everything working fine thanks for coming up here ot switch CPUs. I think I have the curse of the BSOD or something, but that chip seems to OC pretty well

 

Not always true. Some are physically and functionally perfect to the retail CPU. Others... aren't.

They're a risk. You pay your money, you take your choice...

For what it's worth, sometimes they can ship in actual machines - rightly or wrongly. I had two brand-new, sealed machines from IBM back in the late 1990's with engineering sample processors. Very different machines and processors, though - I think one was a Pentium Pro, and the other an early PII.

We were an IBM brokerage, specialising in their dealer return machines. We had a lot of stuff go in and out, so we're talking two processors out of literally thousands of machines...

 

In 1990 I was paying about 15% the price for gasoline that I do now.

A 10+ year old experience with two shipped ES cpus found in defective/returned goods is hardly relevant now.

 

It's plenty relevant - as I said, some processors are functionally perfect. Others aren't. It's always been the same - they're a generally a lot cheaper to buy, but may not be stable, may not have complete feature sets enabled, or may only clock successfully at a lower than expected speed. However, they may also be absolutely fine.

They weren't defective or returned goods - they were fully-sealed, brand-new boxes, direct from manufacture. We primarily bought in dealer returns - but we also took cancelled orders, generally those originally destined for another country.

That was just some idle chatter, based on the earlier comment that the guy selling a CPU said it came in a Toshiba machine originally - however unlikely it may seem, I've had first-hand knowledge of it actually happening.

 

ok thanks for the answers. I see mixed results regarding ES CPU.

first off all, I never think of Overclocking the cpu. just regular use.

but my main concern is the features that it offers.

some say es cpu doesn't have temp control and bla bla bla...


well, to es users, how many of you get the for example t9500 or the p series without the temp control?

thanks in advance,


sting

 

IMO , its better to be safe than to be sorry... so no ES CPU's for me.