Is the price difference between i7-10875h and i9-10980hk worth it?

I saw they both have similar clock speeds, single core performance and in multi core performance just a 12% increase. While the price difference is $500 between models with same other components.
Is the performance increase worth it for $500? (Heavy tasks) And why?

 

For a theoretical 5% and 8% increase, probably not. Unless the system is used every day for 8/12/18 hours at a time to make $$$$$ for you.

See:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-10875H-vs-Intel-i9-10980HK/3726vs3700

If the system, in total, was in the $4K to $5K range, I would consider it if thinking/hoping I would use the system for more than ~18 months or so (again, making $$$$$ from it).

I'm guessing though that the total cost of the platform may not be that much though?

 

The i7 rig is $2400, and i9 is $2900
And yeah, is for my work but also for gaming

 

How long are you anticipating keeping it then?

 

3 years, the problem is right now my budget only goes to i7, is it worth the wait and extra work for the i9?

 

What kind of tasks in specific?
What laptop model?
Lots of chassis will lead to overheating even with an i7, so the i9 doesn't perform much better due to being limited by temperature, and/or crippled BIOS and EC firmware that limits max power usage on top..

I think that getting a cheaper laptop and a beffy NUC style can be a better option, just config the NUC to work headless and just remote into the NUC and do the heavy lifting..

 

Mostly simulations (solidworks), programming, flight simming, and game development.
If it is the I9, it would be an MSI GS7
I7, a Sager

 

A hard budget trumps everything else (always).

If we look at the CPU value increase (in the link above), it is almost the same percentage as the increase in the cost. That indicates you are paying for extra performance linearly/(theoretically).

If you're actually able to be 5% to 8.5% more productive during your work usage, the increased cost is justified along with a reasonable wait time, to save/earn the extra funds.

As @senso mentions though, there may be other options to consider too, including the very real possibility that the specific model you're considering may not even give you full i7 performance, depending on the chassis/cooling design and BIOS implementation.

 

MSI GS75?

The GS75 only has two heatpipes over the CPU, it has decent fin area, but over long periods of time doing simulations you will want at the very least a repaste with liquid metal and a raised laptop back, you wont be able to stretch the i9 legs much.

For that kind of work a DTR-ish laptop chassis would be a better idea for a better cooling system.

 

So in this case of laptops with not a lot of cooling systems the i7 would be a better option? As I don’t want to go higher on the budget for a better cooling...

 

Extreme editions are never worth it. Maybe if your a millionaire and for whatever reason the difference means nothing to you. Otherwise your average power user wont see a difference, especially in games, and resale value will be disappointing if your someone who does that. Generally laptops period are not worth it over a budget diy build, but for those like myself who need it, these features usually mean nothing.

If your really going to spend that much and need performance, you might look into a clevo fat top with desktop cpu's. Those are the real serious workstation type laptops and usually feature xeons and quadro's.

 

I turned off my cpu multipliers with throttlestop for work and 1440p gaming with 120hz screen. Gs65 with 1070 qmax. Unless you do video stuff etc you won't even notice the 'lesser' performance but you will notice the quietness of the fans. You will hear the gpu fan with gaming but while working with even multiple vm's running the laptop is very quiet. And gaming wise 115 fps or 120 fps won't make a difference.

 

So even for heavy tasks you wouldn’t recommend that price difference?

 

A final thought for you. If you can't afford the time/expense of setting up and comparing two identical systems except for the processors in your actual workflows, do not spend the extra $$$. Theoretical performance increases rarely match real-world expectations in actual workloads/workflows.

(When they do though; then even a 50% increase in 'base' cost is worth a 5% increase in real performance/productivity when the system is used to produce paid-for-work for many hours per day).

As hinted at already from my first few posts, unless you have a system close to this level already, the 'base' setup you have chosen and is within your budget will be a bigger productivity (and gaming) boost than the last $500 you can spend on it).

Make sure you have done your homework regarding thermals, BIOS, and the cooling design of the chosen 'base' platform. If you have, and you must, buy it. There is nothing else to consider.

 

If that was a MSI laptop where you could fully unlock the power limits, TDP and XTU/undervolting interface, it technically would be worth it if it was within your budget. The problem is with a 10980HK is, if you fully unlock everything, you run out of thermal headroom very fast, even with liquid metal. Even with AC and DC Loadline both set to 1 in VR settings, 5 ghz is going to be impossible because it gets too hot.

That being said, if you're going to get a 10875h, get a MSI laptop so you can undervolt and at least unlock it up to its thermal limit.

 

Now that there is finally an 8-core/16 thread mobile i7, the huge premiums you pay for the mobile i9s and laptops with desktop CPUs have lost their luster.

The i7-10875H is just good enough.

 

Not for an "extreme edition". Usually those are aimed at gamers with a little to much extra to spend if you get my drift. For real heavy long term tasks you should really be looking into workstation laptops with xeons, or fattops with desktop cpu's. Im not saying things like biosunlocked laptops dont have validity with respect to what your asking, but usually they are oriented specifically to gaming and usually have bad heatsinks, and not stability orientated like a workstation. Am I right in assuming your just wanting CPU power instead of gpu power? You might look at a Clevo NH58AF1 which can take a 12 core desktop ryzen. I would imagine you can even get away with a 16 core if you did the LM route and dont mind underclocking a little, but that would be for all cpu multi threaded performance, which isnt bad at all. If I had to guess, this is probably the perfect laptop for you: https://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30767

 

See if you have find some heavy load benchmarks over a greater time period. I have the i710875h and it is temp constrained big time in my laptop. I have the sager 17" np8378f2.

Check out the owner forums for the laptops your looking at. Most will post temps and benchmark numbers if u ask.

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If heavy workloads are truly a concern, and price is an issue, looking for laptops as a solution will always let you down in some way.

Consider a powerful desktop and a modest laptop.

 

i have, and it seems at the most a 10% increase in heavy load (varying on cooling)

 

I want CPU power, yes for Unreal and solidworks, but i also want GPU power as I want to game at 1080p max

 

This is it sir. No other laptop does 12 or 16 cores and has that much cpu power while being able to have more then enough gpu power for games and solid works. Just keep in mind that if you do put in a 16 core that it will have to be underclocked, but thats all multi threaded performance right there, and I would imagine you could disable in bios half the cores to get the frequency seen in 6 or 8 core gaming cpu's,

Update: doing some digging being myself curious, not alot of retailers sell the 16 core version. Origin PC in north america does. XMG in europe does as well. Its probably vital that it comes from a reseller given the possible bios issues you might run into, and reliance on premamod I assume, but thats just speculation on my part.

 

Being honest with the 12Core I would be happy, the GPU is a RTX2070, right?

 

So you might have seen me from http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/searching-for-a-new-laptop-for-flight-simming-work.833566/, I am still comparing options of laptops for my work/gaming. I would like feedback for these options.
There is an important price difference, but I don't know if it is worth it for the performance gained on the i9.
Here are both configurations:
SAHER NP8358F2-S ($2000)
Display 1080p 144hz
-I7-10875H
-2070 Super 8GB
32GB RAM (2x16)
2tb ssd
MSI GS75: ($2750)
Display 1080p 300hz
-I9-10980HK
-2070 Super 8GB
32GB RAM (2x16)
1tb ssd
I will use it for:
-Gaming (Flight Simming) (1080P at Max), I want to be gaming for 3 years at max 1080p
-Programming
-Solidworks
-Unreal Engine 4
-Photoshop
-3d Modelling
-Substance Painter
-Studying
Thanks for your feedback!

 

I am the person of this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/searching-for-a-new-laptop-for-flight-simming-work.833566/
If you haven't seen the post I need a laptop where I can do this things (in order of importance) :
-Gaming (Flight Simming) (1080P at Max), I want to be gaming for 3 years at max 1080p (Smooth FPS)

-Unreal Engine 4
-Programming
-Studying
-Solidworks
-Photoshop
-3d Modelling
-Substance Painter



I have 2 options: The Sager NP8358F2-S (i7-10875H,32GB RAM, 2070 SUPER 8GB and 2TB SSD) and the Xotic G58AF.(RYZEN 9 3700X, 32GB RAM, 2070 and 2TB SSD).
Which would be better for my tasks and why? And if there any other options please let me know.

 

Yes it is RTX2070. Like I say, this is it.