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    January 7, 2010 = Arrandale!

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by sgogeta4, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. mew1838

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    256 of those processors.........
     
    mew1838, Nov 16, 2009
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  2. sean473

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    lol any computer will get owned but the Gulftown's and the Gulftown's Xeons are the real deal... hopefull they're out next year when i'm buying a new laptop...
     
    sean473, Nov 17, 2009
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  3. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Gulftown wont get into laptops. Gulftown is server based.
     
    Serg, Nov 17, 2009
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  4. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You can fit them into current X58 notebooks w/ desktop CPUs. Whether or not they'll melt your computer on full load, is another story.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 17, 2009
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  5. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    How many of those laptops actually exist?
    The D900F is one, right?

    And yeah, that thing under full load must be hot enough to burn the table and kill the descendants hahaha
     
    Serg, Nov 17, 2009
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  6. IntelUser

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    Serg, that seems like a comparison of i5 750 with a Core 2 Duo. That makes the comparison not valid because Arrandale will be a dual core with Hyperthreading and i5 750 is a quad core with no Hyperthreading.
     
    IntelUser, Nov 18, 2009
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  7. Serg

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    I know it is not such a good comparison, but gives a rough idea of what we are to expect (me hopes). Arrandale is not out yet, so me getting figures of it would be impossible...
     
    Serg, Nov 18, 2009
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  8. IntelUser

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    LOL. Ok I'll give my estimates. I'm willing to say the 2.66GHz i7 620M will beat 720QM in all of the apps, and 820QM in most.
     
    IntelUser, Nov 18, 2009
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    Gulftown would work and i'm quite sure that its TDP is the same as that of corei7... and somemore its gonna be based on 32mm process so should be cooler... and anyway i doubt its gonna burn the table and kill descendants.. corei7 desktop processors actually run cooler than some mobile core 2 quad CPU's ... and i don't really care since i use my laptop on the table all the time and i'll have a notebook cooling pad ...
     
    sean473, Nov 18, 2009
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    Changturkey, Nov 20, 2009
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  11. sgogeta4

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    I would bet no.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 20, 2009
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  12. IntelUser

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    The Intel processors are hard-locked from the factory, and its pretty unlikely you'll be able to unlock it. Think of it, if they physically cut the circuitry, there's NO way around it. AMD CPUs in the other hand aren't like that and is easier to unlock features.
     
    IntelUser, Nov 20, 2009
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  13. Serg

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    Serg, Nov 21, 2009
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    I'm confused:
    So Intel is going to release *just* the Core i5-520M, Core i5-430M, Core i3-350M and Core i3-330M for the non-LV/ULV notebooks in January? Or is this just their "mainstream" lineup? How about the likes of the 620M, and the 540M?
     
    hceuterpe, Nov 23, 2009
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  15. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Who knows. No one has complete information yet...
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 23, 2009
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    core i9. later next year. just read it, just had to write it.

    :)
     
    davepermen, Nov 23, 2009
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  17. Serg

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    Sandy Bridge for me. Clarksfield will work for now.
     
    Serg, Nov 23, 2009
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  18. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    Yep that will be a monster I want one of those beasts :D. Next year.... :(
     
    MexicanSnake, Nov 23, 2009
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  19. Serg

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    A report I was reading suggests that the performance up in gulftown is almost linear, 2 more cores, 50% better.
     
    Serg, Nov 24, 2009
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  20. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Well if a program is multithreaded, it makes sense that performance is linear...
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 24, 2009
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    sgogeta4, Nov 30, 2009
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  23. grbac

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    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16642/41/
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 8, 2015
    grbac, Dec 1, 2009
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  24. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    "In perspective, all three mobile Arrandale-based chips are power hogs and their TDP ratings (including the graphics core) will end up at not so attractive 35W."

    ROFL clearly the author of this article knows nothing about true power consumption nor what TDP ratings actually mean (or how they actually compare to C2Ds).
     
    sgogeta4, Dec 1, 2009
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  25. Serg

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    I agree with you sgogeta. 35W is nothing compared to what it is.
     
    Serg, Dec 1, 2009
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    nice to have SDXC support. I would love compact flash too... since CF cards have much better performance, some much better then HDD's
     
    __-_-_-__, Dec 1, 2009
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  27. sean473

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    Don't really care about the SDHX cards etc... Certainly the author on fudizlla doesn't know about core 2 duo , which hog as much power but don't have such awesome performance...
     
    sean473, Dec 1, 2009
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    And considering that this 35W includes the graphic core.
     
    grbac, Dec 1, 2009
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  29. Serg

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    35W TDP is nothing.
    CPU+IGP+Memory controller+NB

    I did read that Fudzilla report, and failed to be well written.

    In fact, in perspective, 35W TDP is amazing.
     
    Serg, Dec 1, 2009
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  30. Jayayess1190

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    Centrino for cpu goes bye bye
    Link 1
    Link 2

     
    Jayayess1190, Dec 2, 2009
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  31. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's good news. Good job Intel marketing, no more monopoly!
     
    sgogeta4, Dec 2, 2009
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  32. Serg

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    Finally some other options...after hearing all those negative things about the 5100 and good about Atheros, thanks for the news Jayayess1190
     
    Serg, Dec 2, 2009
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    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Cnet

     
    Jayayess1190, Dec 7, 2009
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    In the end, it's all just PU.
     
    HTWingNut, Dec 8, 2009
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    but i prefer intels way, as it does mean no need to re-do all the existing code again, just to get it onto the gpu. that sucks, and is the reason we don't do gpgpu by now since over 7 years. the tech would have been there back even with the radeon 9700, which was released in august 2002. but the re-coding is very hard, and quite annoying.
     
    davepermen, Dec 8, 2009
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  36. sean473

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    i still like centrino.. it works unlike some other wireless cards from other manufactures... and also sounds nice... Centrino 2 laptop...compared to plain old core 2 duo laptop... without centrino...
     
    sean473, Dec 8, 2009
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  37. Serg

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    Best argument ever! ;) No offense.

    That is what marketing does. Centrino aint better than non-centrino just because you are using an Atheros WiFi adapter.

    In fact I would rather not have Centrino, but have ION instead.
     
    Serg, Dec 8, 2009
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    Jayayess1190, Dec 11, 2009
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    I just benchmarked a Core 2 Duo 2.8 (6mb cache) vs a Core i7 1.6 (6mb cache) notebook and found the i7 notebook was overall faster by only about 10% (using Vantage 64bit) – and THAT figure will be less when the 32nm mobile i7's come out as they have only a smaller 4mb cache and only 2 cores.
    (you need to see 20% to actually notice the speed difference)

    The i5 and i3 (arrandale) wiil be even slower than the i7 so there is still good life in the Core 2 Duo from a performance perspective – AND they use less power so should be a better option for longer battery life. (I actually got double the battery life playing a DVD out of the Core 2 Duo vs the i7)
     
    NOTEBOOKMASTER, Dec 21, 2009
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  40. BrandonSi

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    Mind sharing the model CPU of that C2D? P9700? My Fritz benchmark results showed a 30%+ difference between a P9700 and a 720QM, so obviously you can't just use one benchmark and extrapolate that to every scenario.

    That's a ridiculous statement.
     
    BrandonSi, Dec 21, 2009
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  41. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    A smaller cache does not necessarily mean a lower score, especially given this upcoming next point.

    Except for the ULV, i5 and i3 are _faster_ than the i7-720QM you looked at. Standard voltage i3-330M and i3-350M are supposed to be 2.13 GHz and 2.27 GHz, respectively. Standard voltage i5-430M, i5-520M, and i5-540M are supposed to be 2.27/2.53 GHz, 2.4/2.93 GHz, and 2.53/3.06 GHz (regular/turbo) respectively. And then of course, there's the dual core standard voltage i7-620M at 2.67 GHz regular, 3.33 GHz under turbo. Even the low voltage i7-620LM and i7-640LM run at 2/2.8 GHz and 2.13/2.93 GHz.

    As for battery life... unless you're comparing the same model of notebook, differing only in the motherboard and CPU, it'll be an invalid comparison. Different optical drives, different graphics cards, different screens (and brightness!), different wireless cards, all the uneven components will make an extremely large difference in the power drain. Heck, as an example, compare the battery life of, say, an Alienware M15x and a Clevo W860CU. They're both 15 inch i7 notebooks, but while the Alienware M15x can probably get around 2 hours on its battery, the Clevo is usually lucky to get an hour. And that's between 2 notebooks with the same processor.
     
    Judicator, Dec 21, 2009
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