Kaby Lake Rocks!

Recent review from Notebookcheck shows very decent performance and efficiency improvement, maybe the biggest between the generations in the last 7 years. Finally the generation that we are waiting for?

Kaby Lake (Core i7-7500U) Review: Skylake on Steroids​

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Quad-core ULVs finally! Guess the time has come to upgrade my T734 to i7 quad, to be on par. =p

 

It's too bad that Kaby Lakes weren't ready to go when Pascal launched. I'm missing out on it by a few months by buying a laptop now. Oh well.

 

Going to have to wait and see that the linux support is decent before getting a new motherboard for it, will also need ram.

 

I thought Microsoft owned Intel and AMD now... only Windows 10 will run?

 

Hope not, If it will not run Windows 7, I stay with Skylake. Little undervolting, I have the same efficiency . Maybe I'll buy Macbook with Kaby...

 

I hope the OP is misplacing his sarcasm because Kaby Lake looks underwhelming. 10 to 15% increase over skylake. Here's hoping AMD does something...just something to force Intel's hand.

Ars look at Kaby Lake.

 

But why? When we have seen last time such a performance increase? In Winrar even 22%! And it is against Skylake, which was also significantly better than previous generations.

 

Here's a quote from the article on Arstechnica on Kaby Lake

CPU and GPU speed improvements come mostly from clock speed increases rather than architectural improvements, as they did in the Haswell refresh. Intel promises 12- to 19-percent better CPU performance over Skylake chips sold at the same price...Intel claims “double-digit” GPU performance improvements in the Y-series parts and 8- to 10-percent improvements in the U-series parts.

Even the reported Kaby Lake K series isn't much of an improvement over the Skylake K series according to guru3d. It isn't until next year when Cannonlake and the 200 series chipset arrives when we will see explosive change.

 

I don't know what Cannonlake will bring, maybe just the same performance with lower power consumption. But this Kaby Lake is real deal, even 22% CPU performance increase! Whatever it is just clock speed increase or IPC.
Anyway I disagree with article on Arstechnica, especially with the GPU part. HD Graphics 620 still equipped with just 24 Execution units, the clocks did not change! And the gaming performance is 20-30 percent higher on average. That is awesome and it is architectural improvements.

Imagine undervolting Kaby Lake

 

But it's been shown the HD530 can beat the HD540 due to better cpu and Kabylake has higher cpu clocks

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/integrated-gpus.795357/

 

You can't compare desktop vs. mobile platforms (the DT platforms will usually win...).

You are right though that any ancillary component (even an igpu...) is pushed higher, faster and further with a more capable CPU backing it. CPU+RAM=Work done. Everything else in the system is secondary for a reason (but the better the CPU+RAM platform, the more optimum every other component runs too).

 

Oh, Oh, that ain't look too splendid. I tired they pushing Windows 10 from every valve, why a processor could not run Windows 7?

 

Kaby lake is the third issue of 14nm, first broadwell,next skylake and now Kaby lake 7th generation .

"The move from Intel’s 14nm process to 10nm is a long, slow burn, taking much longer to develop than any process previous. We first saw 14nm in Broadwell mobile CPUs in Q3 of 2014, almost two years ago, and 10nm still isn’t on any public roadmap for early 2017. With the tick-tock strategy, and the launch of Skylake in mid-2015, this would leave Intel without a new CPU launch for almost two years, which is unheard of from Intel. Also, Intel’s partners rely on product cycles to announce and launch new products to generate revenue. To fill the gap, plus with a few other techniques, Intel moved to Process-Architecture-Optimization, or PAO for short.

This means three bites of the cherry for 14nm before we see 10nm in prime time. First it was Broadwell, then Skylake, and today Intel is announcing Kaby Lake. As part of the release, Intel has mentioned that a number of key benefits for Kaby Lake will be based on an optimized 14nm process, called 14PLUS (or 14nm+, 14FF+). This process as a quick summary has a higher fin height and larger pitch, essentially giving a less-dense set of transistors that have more room to breathe. Normally a larger pitch means more voltage required, but this is offset by the fin height and Intel says is good for another few hundred MHz for performance. The less-dense design, in theory, may also help in overclocking, however we will have to wait until January to see those results."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10610...s-six-notebook-skus-desktop-coming-in-january

 

14nm Broadwell / Skylake / Broadwell-E
14nm+ Kabylake / Skylake-X / Kabylake-X
14nm++ Coffeelake ( hope this one is even more power saved and clocks higher )
10nm Cannonlake / Cannonlake-X

 

CoffeLake also coming before Cannon? Anyway they can screw it if no good Windows exist to use it.

 

Cannon Lake ( the 10nm dual cores ) are released around the same time as Skylake-X
Coffee Lake is the 6 core cpus

 

Cannonlake 10 nm released 2017,Coffeelake-regressing to 14 nm release 2018,,lol

http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-coffee-lake-10nm-cannonlake-2018/

Intel 14nm Kaby Lake Processors Shipping in Q3 2016 – 10nm Cannonlake Chips Will Be Available in Q3 2017

http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-q3-2016-cannonlake-2017/

Intel Drops Tick-Tock Strategy Once and For All – Now Aims at Process, Architecture and Optimization, 3 Year Cadence

http://wccftech.com/intel-tick-tock-strategy-dead/

 

Posting hint, you can use the little Tx icon on the top right, select the "large text" after pasting, and click that button and it will make the format normalized - small and non-script/bold.

The problem with these new CPU "releases" these days is that Intel is pushing the crap CPU's - the ULV and LV crapbook dual CPU weak as water no-one should buy these except as jewelry models first.

Then we need to wait another 3+ months for the Real CPU's.

Intel, please release the Real CPU's first, the ones that can do useful work, so we can put them to work, and then let the computer fashion crowd get their imitation CPU's to adorn themselves.

There is no rush needed to get out the < 45w/65w/85w/95w CPU's, produce the useful ones first from now on, please.

Leave the "Flaky Lake" CPU's for last

 

I suppose Coffee Lake's main draw will be hexacore CPUs at mainstream prices like $400-500 instead of 1k+. Otherwise I don't really a see a point in a fourth 14nm release? (Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake... and Coffee Lake?)

 

Iris Pro 680 should be at least 1.5x * 1.20x faster than the Iris Pro 6200 or 1.80x faster ( assuming the cpu isn't throttling or operates at low clocks )
and maybe even better with faster ram

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5775c-i5-5675c-broadwell,4169-6.html

GTA V
GTX 750 / 143 fps
Iris Pro 6200 / 124 fps
Iris Pro 680 / possibly 223 fps? / may even be 25% faster than the 750 ti
GTX 750 ti / possibly 178 fps? ( it has same clocks and 25% more cores )
GTX 950 / possibly 234 fps? / same arch / 50% more cores and 9.5% faster clocks

They could double the size to 144 EUs with another die shrink and more clocks and it'd be close enough to replace a GTX 980

 

so still no hdmi 2.0 support in laptops with kaby lake.

How come Intel NUC gets hdmi 2.0 port but laptops don't?

 

You will not need to afraid of throttling issues at this generation, but I don't believe an integrated IGP in near future will be so fast. Maybe the 960M performance level in 3 years.

 

iGPU performance is what will be leaps and bounds better than any other part of the processor/SOC upgrade cycle in the 'near future'.

960M performance is almost reached now (not for games, but for certain 'metrics/scores'.

In three years a GPU will be 'needed' by the 1%er's (gamers), even if all the teens will still want the (then) flagship gpu to kill zombies with...

 

GTX 960M and GTX 750ti are both based on GM107 dies with 1085mhz boost clocks so basically the same performance.
The igpu in that tom's hardware review might be held back a bit by the 1600mhz ram.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/506309-solved-overclocking-intel-hd-4600-on-4790k-questions/

1300mhz igpu / 1600mhz ram = 29fps
1300mhz igpu / 2133mhz ram = 30fps
1700mhz igpu / 1600mhz ram = 34fps
1700mhz igpu / 2133mhz ram = 37fps
37 / 29 = 1.30x just as 1700 / 1300 = 1.30x, so it could only achieve perfect scaling if you upped the ram clocks.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-620.172256.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-520.149940.0.html

 

IMO not worth it if you have BW or SL.

 

Really looking forward to see a 12.5" or smaller convertible laptop with Kraby Lake i7 quad.

 

Yeah, i'm waiting for a Dell with something i7-7700HQ and 1050M Pascal GPU.