Merom vs. Turion 64 X2

Are there any performance comparisons between the two chips, based on what is known? Is there any reason to wait on a Merom when the Turions 64 X2 are alledged to be released in May?

 

I know usually intel has the edge in mobile processors, but I like amd.... So I'd go with amd.

I have a question about 64 x2 processors also. Are they even needed for a gamer? Cuz 64 x2 means prly get vista but u can't get dx10 gpu's yet.... So is there any benefit to gaming on these over just a pent m? I don't think so, well I guess unless I want to play several games at once, right?

 

I'd guess that Intel would be a bit faster there. From the benchmarks I've seen, the Core Duo is as fast or a little behind an A64 X2. Given the performance lost in the transition from desktop to notebook, I would expect Merom to be slightly faster.

 

Your right, the dualcore turian wont be able to compete. Merom = low wattage, low power consumption Conroe. And we all know what conroe did to the current dualcore king ( and overclocked FX-60)

 

I doubt there'd be a major advantage of having an X2. Heck, I even suspect the Core Duo to have a lifespan (gaming-wise of course) equal to the next generation dual-core Turion. Why? As you mentioned already, DX10. No GPUs support it today, and by the time Vista becomes the "standard" OS, DX9 notebooks would be long obsolete when it comes to gaming. If you're into gaming however, well, that's another story.

 

This would purely guess for any one at this point of time. It does not provide any constructive information other than some arguments.

Guess about Merom is no point at this time.

I do not know where ProphetX gets the idea about merom beating X2.( for now Turion X2 consume less power than Core-Duo 25watts vs 31 watts).

 

Lets see...... Im basing this off of conroe's performance. If you dont know Conroe is the desktop variation of Merom. I own an FX-60 oc'd to 3.4ghz for 24/7 usage. EDIT: Andre Yang's conroe chip is stock the motherboard taht he has doens't allow him to overclock.

Andre Yang on XS has posted the stock benchmarks of the Conroe chip he owns. It kills my chip in just about every test.



Since you feel you know better. I'll leave it to you to go to xs and dig up the yonah benchmarks. You will see that it eats every X2 for breakfast while putting out less heat while oc'd. It easily matches my FX's performance.

So with the Conroe being so powerful do you will thing Merom is goin to drop off much? Considering Dothan and Yonah have been the best thing since slice bread for intel recently. Even though they are mobile chips..........everyone knows they easily out perform their desktop siblings.

Also if desktop yonah boards weren't so hard to get. I'd have one of those in my desktop instead of an FX-60 (the current dualcore desktop king)


So i know first hand of intels upcoming dominance.

 

This has also been discussed here... http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=46724&highlight=AMD+technology

There are a TON of articles speculating that one or the other will be better. It's up to who you talk to until someone can do benchmarks.

 

I asked this because I am looking for a new laptop. If I cannot wait until next year for a Merom, is it the case that the Core Duo would be better than the Turion 64 X2? My general tasks beside surfing are medium gaming, numerical simulation and some 3D animation.

 

If 64bit is a need and you cant wait for merom. X2 Turion is the cpu for you. But If 64bit is not a need. Dont be afriad to go out today and get a core duo based notebook.

Theres a reason why intel owns the mobile market. And i realized that after searching for a decent amd turion based notebook in the past.

 

If a laptop was bought this year, and to last about 2 years, is a 64 bit processor(Turion 64 X2) a better choice for the future than Core Duo?

 

That has nothing todo with Turion or Turion X2. Turion still a brand new baby from AMD, where as P-M has been around for ages and mature with ODMs.

Because manufacturers have been just testing waters with AMD Turions yet, so you will see more and more as time goes by.

This has nothing to do with which processor is good or bad.

 

Its not a bad processor. Intel is just going to give you better performance. And most software, and especially windows vista will be biased towards an intel platform.

 

What means more to you?

64bit or performance?

Edit: since you going to be using it for 2 years, my vote is with yonah. Since we already know anything intel is going to be well recieved. While turions are still scarce.

I remember while searching for a turion notebook i went into fry's electronics. They didnt even know what a turion was. Not to mention theres only one or 2 notebooks around that have the Turion mt in them.

 

Performance, which you would not get in 64 bit processors for some time in the future?

 

well i actually think you would get performance in 64bit cpu's within 2 years. But my thing with turions are that they're unproven.

 

You are suggesting for the rest of the year, go with the Core Duos for performance due to lack of 64 bit software and unproven AMD and Intel 64 bit processors?

 

I am really do not know what to say. Where did you get this one from? Please only post if you have any useful information, not assumptions, myths. Did you use Turion at any time?

I am tired of this unsupported, propaganda about this. I do think Core-Duo is excellent processor, there is nothing that beats at this time. And we have yet to see if Turion X2 can match or beat this or not.

But, PM vs Turion, both are on par overall. Only Turion advantage being 64bit, useful 2 years down the line.

 

Like you just confirmed. Its unproven. He wants the best performance, and thats a coreduo at this present time. How is that propaganda? Listen man, im trying to give some sound advice here. Either prove me wrong. Or let the man make his choice. I have used a turion. No one has used a turion X2. Niether has proven to beat the penium m or the core duo in performance. Which leads us to the turion is unproven. Get it?

 

It will be at least another 2 years before people really start moving to 64bit. So you'd be safe with a core duo. Its the best performance in a notebook at this current time. And thats my unbiased opinion. Im a performance and "got the have the latest and greatest" fanboy. So i try to keep myself well educated in whats performing the best at present time, and in the near future.

Also amd is just now rolling out am2. So they'll be fairly new to ddr2 memory. While intel has alot more experience with it. Expect that to play a slight role in the performance numbers as well.

Also don't feel hard pressed to buy the fastest coreduo you can find. I think T2400 is the best value vs performance. And you will not notice any real world improvement if you spend about $200 more for the T2500.

 

So, does anyone know if the the motherboards that support core duo will support merom ? In other words, does anyone know if the cpu would be upgradable by the time merom hits the market?

 

I dont think it will without modification. But dont quote me on that.


Heres a link for the OP http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=48609


If you wait for X2 you might as well get merom.

But it sounds like Core Duo is your man.

 

Thanks, ProphetX. It seems to me that if I can hold out until the end of the year, I should still go for a Core Duo, 1 to 2 Gb of Ram and the best graphics card that is available for that laptop size.

 

No problem.

What size are you looking to get. Im gonna pick up a SONY SZ120P this weekend from best buy. Its a 13.3" screen with a ton of features.


Also from what i've heard merom will be released towards the end of this year. But it will take a month or 2 for them to be widely available.

 

ProphetX, my ranges are from the Sony SZ160 series to the Core Duo version of the Sager 5320. I would prefer less weight and size for traveling, but the larger screen will be more useful in animation work. One limitation is that I need a PC Type II cardbus slot for my 3G aircard.

 

http://www.compusa.com/products/compare.asp?


Hers a little comparison i was looking at between the premium and base model. Im not sure if the specs are accurate.

 

ProphetX, the link did not display any comparisons.
I thought of buying a SZ90 from Dynamism, but the upgrade to 1 to 2 GB +Win XP Pro upgrade would make the price ~4K. BY the end of the year, I would presume that the SZ problems would be solved