Mice discussion time! (So we don't hijack the P870DM3 thread... further)

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Since it was a pretty hot topic, why not start this? Let's toss @Prema and @HTWingNut in for fun, because they're always fun =D.

We were talking about the Logitech G502, G900, G600, G602, G700 and G700S so far.

Let's-a go!

 

I just ordered the G602 for my P670 that is coming this week. I wanted a wireless mouse, and the G900 was out of reach cost-wise. I also considered the M705 and the MX series, but decided that the extra buttons of a gaming mouse and the better parts are worth it. BTW, at least over the weekend the G602 was about 50% off on Amazon.

 

I have a DeathAdder Chroma but ordered a Zowie EC1-A as I'm looking to go with some driverless peripherals.

The Logitech G602 is the only wireless gaming mouse I would ever consider at this point.

 

Zowie EC1-A is really good, though very light.

Why not the 900?

 

Because 1) as I already said, I'm looking for peripherals that don't require a driver for maximum functionality and 2) I'm not spending $130+ for a mouse.

 

900 doesn't need one though. One-time run and then you can store settings on battery.

Fair enough.

Still wouldn't grab a G600 though; I'd wait for a G900 to go on sale. But I guess that's just me.

 

G602 (G600 is a different mouse) is one of the most comfortable mice I've ever used and I can get a refurbished one for less than $40 if I so desired.


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I just want a good wireless mouse... g900 is really not nice looking for my tastes, or I would get it.

G602 / g 700s seem to be my only option and both are regarded to have sensor problems on reddit.

 

You can adjust the buttons and it's ambidextrous though. But you don't game too much, right?

If so, you probably don't need a great sensor like I would want

 

G602 G602, can I say it more? Doesn't require any driver etc to function too!

 

Yeah, I choked pretty hard on that, too. I'd be willing to pay about half that much. That's just way too much money for a mouse IMHO.

I've never owned any mouse that required a proprietary driver for simple functionality, other than the gamer monstrosities with a bazillion different buttons and macros, and I don't buy those. In fact, I would not even install Synaptic touchpad drivers except for the one feature to automatically disable the touchpad when a mouse is connected, and I like that. Otherwise, native Windows mouse drivers work fine for touchpads, too. I have absolutely no use for the touchpad gestures and advanced scrolling and tapping crap.

 

Working with very fine precision images , need better sensor than for gaming for this XD

Also, I do game XD

But dota 2 or a few other games.

I can't quote from phone

For g602, is the sensor as good as its on g502 ? Does it have dropouts ?

Razor ouroboros has bad jitter and lags , seems some of my faults were from mouse ;_;

Also, Asus Rog mouses exhibited the same behavior ;_;

 

No, not even close. G303, G502 and G900 are the most accurate. G402 does not have such a good sensor, but the mouse has software that picks up where the sensor fails in terms of inaccuracies, and it does better than Razer's mice do, however I'd suggest the other three. Steelseries has the same sensor in one of their mice, but I forget which one specifically; however I think they often choose looks in design over functionality and their software isn't the nicest I've used at all. When I say logitech's better at software, you know it's real.

Razer don't use the best sensors, and Synapse is awful. Their mice are easily their best products, but since they charge as much as better Logitech/Zowie/Roccat counterparts, there's no real reason to buy one.

You know me enough to know that I think ASUS doesn't make very good stuff aside from routers =D. I think they're running on their good name from years ago is all.

 

Would it be safer for me to just give up and go with a g502 and accept wires ?

I mean it.owned over 7 gaming high end mouses now, all were awful. A 10$ acme mouse was much better when I tested it for my brother . What's up with sensor errors on those gaming mice ? Everything KS jittery and jumps, regardless of if it's wired or wireless ;_;

Same happened on rat 7, rat 9, rat pro x, razor ouroboros, a4tech (forgot the name ) and on a few others

Thanks for all the help !

I guess I'll just try g502 and return it if it doesn't work out for me then. G900 is really expensive in here, it's over double the price of g502 .

Rat mice were the worst so far, but I loved their design and went with them . Big mistake .

 

It's called the Z-axis jump, normal on PTE sensors.

Ouroboros while not PTE, has a laser sensor which many don't like. It's very imprecise compared to the optical offerings, so that's why it feels very "off" to use it.







TL;DR -> G502, G602, G303, G403 / G900 (wire-wireless), G-pro, Microsoft IMO/WMO MLT04 X80.


All other options go straight to the trashbin.

 

So g700s is not good . . . ?

403. Or 303 have a good wireless version ?.

 

700s has garbage sensor

403, 303, wired only.

 

602 all the way for me too. It's suits my hand and is extremely accurate in performance mode. It's never skipped a beat.

If anything the only problem these mice have been prone to is the left mouse button failing and get sticky. I'm sure that's not the case with all though.
Having said that I'm on my second one and will probably buy a third once it's on special.
I also like the fact it has only 6 side buttons (plenty for me) and a nice fluid design.

 

Ambi mice for l4yfe.

But i personally never liked anything other than the Original Deathadder / MS IE 3.0 / Zowie FK1/FK2. Mx 518 to a certain extent, but the ergo shape threw me off.

 

Very common. I posted a couple of videos on how to fix that in the hijacked thread. (The second video is for detail... same author.) I used to replace mice because of this, but now I just fix them. It's a pain in the butt though.

 

This is part of the reason I decided to go with the g602 rather than the m705. Apparently the switches are better on the gaming mice, so the double-click is less of a problem. But this is just something I read on another forum while researching mice, so take with a grain or two of salt.

 

Haha.. awesome video thanks (bookmarked!). I wish I had this before I ripped my first apart. I got so frustrated with that copper clip I gave up and bought a new one.

 

They can be teared apart? I thought that they are sealed shut. I've changed the switches on my MX Revolution with Omron ones, since I thought that's the only way... silly me Got pretty decent mileage out of it though (7 years), so it might be time to retire it. Looking at the MX Master. I know that it's gaming mice thread, but something about Logitech's upper tier "ordinary" mice has me. They look nice, are comfortable/ergonomic, functional, wireless and good enough in gaming. Well I'm not competitive gamer, so there's that. To not be entirely off I do eye the G900. Have to see it in person to make the final decision. And yes, wireless is obligatory. The G900's receiver though... I know that it's pretty much the same size as my MX Revo one, but it's something that I want to steer clear from. Might find a place to put it inside the laptop, while still able to retrieve it with not too much hassle.

 

I never really said this is about gaming mice; feel free to discuss whatever you like. The models we spoke about were simply gaming mice before when I shifted it here.

 

Cool then. I've checked quite a few reviews of the G900 and finally someone showed that the receiver is actually the same size as the Nano one, removing it from that... thing. That didn't made things any easier for me though. The next thing I did was to check the price... twice as much as the MX Master. Yeah, I think that MX Master would do it for me

 

I had a lot of mouses the past years but recently settled on the G502. Excellent mouse and I dont notice any acceleration. Before this I used a Roccat Kone XTD which I still have. BUt I could notice some acceleration when moving really fast.

Also had a Deathadder (Terrible quality) and I use a Razer Naga Hex on my PS4 trough a Venom X converter. Its an okay mouse but still Razer quality aka not really great. Just bought it for those 6 buttons that I map to the Dual shock frontal face buttons. I rather play with a keyboard and mouse on the PS4 than the DS4 since the latter is RSI inducing for me.

 

G303 is the mouse for me, improved my Ranking in Titanfall quite significantly - moved from Corsair M45 & G9x. Suits my fingertip grip and high sensitivity play really well (19.5cm hands / in game sensitivity: 12cm per 360 / Steelseries 4HD mouse pad), excellent sensor, and the buttons you can click really fast with low latency. G303 recommended for similar users!

 

Wow that video was an eye opener for me. I've never noticed any of the defects mentioned such as skipping or lag on any of my mice. I guess that's why I'm always getting schooled online in games. Or maybe I've noticed and just didn't know what to call it.

Currently own the Razer Tron mouse, and a gigabyte wireless that I bought for like $15 5 years ago. Now I know my next mouse will be the g900.

 

Most people don't notice things like that ,until they see it.
Another thing with modern sensors is prediction, try drawing circles in mspaint and see how smooth your curves get. Prediction really ****s with in games aiming. Specially when you need that specific movement.

 

Angle snapping is preferable on specific situation.

 

Not really.
At least not in CS /Overwatch.

 

Depends on the map/game. I believe some Quake players have this enabled.

 

Quake helps. Where the movement is pretty much muscle memory.
CS , nope. None at all.

 

I keep angle snapping off entirely. Though, with the Logitechs, I believe I can turn it on/off at will.

 

Ordered a G502 RGB a few days ago. Can't wait to try it out!

 

I got a G302 (the little brother of G303) because I wanted a minimalist mouse that is sturdy, clicks well (based on reviews), fairly light and is affordable (GBP 40). I wasn't used to gaming mouse yet, been using standard "office" mice all the while, so I didn't want crazy number of buttons until I learnt how to use them. I won't pay some 20 quid more for RGB lighting and braided cable and a souped-up sensor in the G303 that I felt wasn't really necessary (they don't quite break the mouse).

Having used the G302 for over a year, I am very pleased with it. The buttons click so, so so so nicely it's really amazing. When this mouse breaks (hopefully many many years down the road) I'll look for an upgrade that is similar to the G303 (hopefully I'd have deeper pockets by then) that has a few more such excellent buttons for me.

Oh, and Logitech please try to improve the scroll wheel along the way?

Hadriel

 

I want to ask a question .

I'm fed up with stty mice. Really... All mice I used were just so awful.

I want something new.

I know I have a fingertip / claw grip, and reaaaaaly big hands . I really use scroll wheel, scroll click and other types of scroll a lot .

Im tinkering between acme ma06, Logitech g502 and g700s.

I think I dislike alreadyy all of the options .

G502 - the body seems really narrow and some complained about the scroll

G700s - some complained about the scroll again, and some complained about the clicks. Plus, I heard it makes problems being wifi, like it stays in place at times and other typical wifi problems.

Acme one is panic solution - it only costs 10$

What should I do ?

I've been reading mouse reviews for 2 days now. I don't really care for senzor as long as it works, I need clicks to be nice, firm , to not have any parts that wiggle or can move when touched (Razer was awful. Back was wiggling ) and to have the best scroll wheel , and very good comfort / ergonomics.

 

Edit : total fingertip grip .

 

G602 FTW

 

It looks very interesting and side buttons would be useful, but many have complained about wifi signal interrupting, about click not being right and about the scroll wheel either wheel click not working right or about wheel not detecting movement after a while.... This is why it was not on my prior list .

How do you feel about those problems ?

Also, is shape any good for fingertip grip / claw ?

 

see if you can feel the mouse in store, because it's really big

 

IMO shape would not be the biggest gripe for fingertip users. Claw users would be more concerned about shape since the back would be more likely to contact your palm, although your thumb would need to learn to be repositioned from mouse to mouse. I'm a claw grip user, and it is most comfortable of the 3 grips for me, but it is also the one most likely to develop wrist problems from bad habits.

Big hands for claw/fingertip users might actually not be a bad thing, unless your fingers are that massive that even for a G502 your fingers become cramped together. The claw user would have the whole screen's movement of the mouse confined (vertically) to when the mouse is back against the bottom of the palm, to when the ball of the palm touches the top of the mouse. Fingertip users have a lot more variation: whole-arm movement users wouldn't care about the shape of the mouse much; wrist movement users would mind the thumb and pinkie/ring finger parts of the mouse shape a bit more.

tl;dr hunt for a shop to get a feel. Scroll buttons are... erm... hit and miss. Not saying that Logitech's scroll buttons are terrible, but they're not wow either.

Hadriel

 

Had a G502 for about a week now. Size is fine, it doesn't cramp your hands or anything. If anything it is very comfortable for my claw grip.

Can confirm the complaints about the scroll wheel though. It's not bad, but it's not up to the standards of the rest of the mouse. It takes a lot of force to scroll, so combined with the smooth metallic finish your fingers tend to slip. It also takes a lot of force to press the middle mouse button, so I noticed that my middle finger gets tired if I have to do a lot of scolling. Free scrolling is great though, use it way more than I expected and I suspect it will replace the middle mouse button for me.

Rest of the mouse is great or even fantastic. So if you're okay with a just 'fine' scrollwheel I'd recommend it.

 

I need the scrollwheel to be perfect.

The rest matters much less than the scroll wheel...

 

I'm a total fingertip grip user too. The G303 is the best mouse I've used so far, and is touted as a fingertip/claw grip mouse. How big are your hands? I measured mine from base of palm (where crease in skin is) to tip of middle finger and got 19.5cm. If yours are similar or a little smaller I would say G303 would be excellent for you. If you have really really massive hands then I'm thinking it could feel a little narrow for you maybe - but you could compare size dimensions of G303 with mice you've used in the past. Best sensor on the market in the G303, plus lightweight mouse, buttons are brilliant.

 

well if the g303 wasn't a fking DIAMOND shaped mouse I would've liked it

 

Thank you...

I've tested MX anywhere 2 - waaaay too small, scroll is horrible, sit really bad in hand

Mx Master - Big, atually comfortable, really awful clicks... Man... it's that bad... Side buttons are horrible, side scrolling is bad at best, and scroll wheel is absolutely horrible.

Best wheel was on RAT mice. Their clicks were awesome... Their senzors were so awful... So so bad. Their ergonomics were very good for me. But construction quality, even on RAT PRO X was so bad.

If they build it better, and with sensors that would not skip or dance on the table or other stuff that breaks your experience, I would really buy another one.

I would really love a wireless mouse. G700S is described problematic, G900 seems a bad idea for non removable battery, and I don't like ambidextrous designs, want a right handed design, otherwise it causes a bit of fatigue.

Not buying G900 and avoiding logitech now. they have horizontal shift on G900, which is a pity, as I really hate horizontal shift on buttons.

No good mice on market, and I mean nothing. Mad Catz is so bad with life expectancy that I sold all of them before their end of warranty date, and their senzors are the worst on the market. Literally the worst.

So right now I'm considering between nothing and nothing, no mouse looks good and it's sad.

I just want something that will : Have the materials of RAT mice, clicks of RAT mice, scrool wheel of RAT mice, but life expectancy of swiss watches, be wireless and have a good ergonomy. for right handed people. Most probalby, I also need a fwd, bckwd button, scroll click, no scroll movement, and no flex / wiggle / anything moving on mouse, it's distacting.

Zowie or how they're named are not wireless, and their shape looks awful, I prefer something like A4Tech X7...

This has perfect shape, awful side buttons, good scroll, very bad senzor, skips at times, it's awful to use for anything. But good build.

 

buy from their bloody gaming division if you want quality

 

Absolutely fantastic mouse.

Wysłane z Mi5

 

Haha, well some people love that & some hate that diamond shape - I think as a fingertip grip user you don't really care about the back of the mouse because it's not in contact with your hand, just as long as it doesn't get in the way, in fact I think the diamond shape makes it a bit more maneuverable for a fingertip user because it allows the mouse to be moved around by the fingers underneath the palm of the hand without it contacting the back of the hand (which would limit movement).

That looks kind of similar in shape to the Logitech G Pro - another mouse with the exact same perfect sensor of the G303.

Sure is!