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    Mini PCI-Express card slot

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Musuta, May 31, 2010.

  1. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    Hello

    I'd like to ask about mini PCI-e

    What can I use this slot for?
    I know so far that I can insert mini SSD car or TV-card ..
    But what else ?
    Does exist some mini RAID card module for non-RAID laptops?
     
  2. X2P

    X2P COOLING | NBR Super Mod

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    no there is not raid console that I know of but you can use it to add eSata, USB 3.0 and other ports to your notebook
     
  3. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    SSDs won't work in most miniPCIe without it specially configured to handle I/O via a controller such as in the Dell Precision M6500.
     
  4. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah intel can make PCI-e raid controller over mini no ? like on desktops ..
     
  5. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    No, as stated above you can't just put in a RAID controller into the miniPCIe slot, nor a SSD into it, without the notebook already having the special hardware.
     
  6. meansizzler

    meansizzler Notebook Consultant

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    I think the poster is talking about mini pci-e not expresscard my supermod
     
  7. niffcreature

    niffcreature ex computer dyke

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    if there is a cardbus raid controller, then theres got to be and expresscard one somewhere, and youll be able to get there from a pcie slot somehow....
    ...whichever of those you guys are actually talking about :p
     
  8. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    Yes meansizzler
    I am talking about mini pci-e slot below
    As far as I know there is no more mini pci-e slots in laptop
    Guys above was talking about Express card slot that is peripheral slot nothing to do with
    PCI-E x1 x4 x8 or x16
    Express card is on the side of laptop,mini PCI-E is inside laptop disassembling required .
    And if intel making various modules how I said above such mini SSDs or wi-fi or bluetooth tv-modules and you can even install intel turbo boost module various sizes
    I am pretty sure that intel can make some mini module controller that will make connection of SATA Drives and will be able to create RAID ?
     
  9. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I don't understand the fascination with RAID. Users will not gain any benefit and with non-similar drives and RAID0 will perform poorly considering the typically slow speeds of the lesser drive. Samsung is making a SSD with built-in I/O controller but you won't be able to RAID that to your 1.8"/2.5" drive. Intel has no plans on any sort of RAID capable miniPCIe chip.
     
  10. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    But I have seen guys with triple or quad SSDs in RAID and they have such good performance results.
    Some of them have over 600 MB/s
    left 2x128 GB (dual) ssd
    right 4x128GB (quad ssd)
    I would be satisfied even with 2x! :)
    When you compare it with ancient HDDs is huge difference.
     
  11. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    A single SSD can outperform multiple HDDs easily. In real life though, sequential R/W speeds aren't that important. The main reason why SSDs feel much faster is because they have at least an order of magnitude faster access time. If you are going to use RAID, you get the most benefit when you have two identical drives, which you could do with most notebooks by replacing the ODD.
     
  12. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    @sgogeta4
    Hi
    What do you think if
    If will be able to stuff in this gorgeous thing below in laptop mini pci-e haahah
    it's got RAID in it built in !
    That will be awesome !!
    :D :) :D :) :D
     
  13. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    The mPCIe sockets can vary. Notebooks tend to have mPCIe pci-e I/O pins and *sometimes* mPCIe USB I/O pins:

    mPCIe pci-e I/O pins: tv tuner cards, wifi cards, turbo memory.
    mPCie usb I/O pins (usually WWAN slot): WWAN
    mPCIe sata I/O pins (netbooks): mPCIe SSD

    Can also use mPCIe pci-e I/O pins for DIY ViDock. Same hardware can be used to host desktop raid/sound/ other cards at x1 speed or x2 speeds if have right port layout to combine two lanes.
     
  14. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    Actually that is bigger connector ooopsss
    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
    that is only for desktop

    Lanes Pins Total variable section Total Length variable section
    ×1 2×18=36[23] 2×7=14 25 mm  7.65 mm
    ×4 2×32=64 2×21=42 39 mm 21.65 mm
    ×8 2×49=98 2×38=76 56 mm 38.65 mm
    ×16 2×82=164 2×71=142 89 mm 71.65 mm
     
  15. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yeah, PCIe and miniPCIe devices are not directly compatible.
     
  16. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    HI i like your post (that link )
    good customization
     
  17. funky monk

    funky monk Notebook Deity

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    I'm sorry.... what?! "Users will not gain any benefeit"? Tell that to the guy who made a 24 SSD raid array and could open his whole start menu in a few seconds.

    Secondly, I was under the impression that mini PCIe was basically a smaller version of the desktop PCIe, with all the same pins, or is it different for laptops, as I'm pretty sure SATA has no relation to PCI busses at all.
     
  18. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    I was waiting for this sentence from somebody, which I was afraid of :(
    I thought that all relations/connections travelling to north bridge or south bridge
    so there should be some link ?
    At least that mini raid module could boot RAID utility to merge two drives
    and control them.
    mm may be not ?
     
  19. neiyold

    neiyold Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hey Musuta, it is possible to make some use of the mPCIe station in your laptop as a mini-SSD using an HWTools SD adapter ( MR-04 ) However, there are some issues that I have run into. I started a thread awhile back on this here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...83255-hwtools-net-mr04r-mpcie-sdhc-drive.html

    Please note that the first unit I tried was the MR04R, which is mPCIe on a mPCIe controlled port. My WWAN port (which I am using) was not compatable, while the MR04 which is a mPCIe usb port has worked well. I am having some minor driver issues since moving to Windows 7 64bit, but that has not caused any operational difficulties or limitations yet.

    One forum member seemed to think that I am advocating this a mini-SSD for constant use. I would in general recommend against this, as he is correct in the limited lifespan of flash cards. My primary interest is in a near-real-time back of certain critical files that is independent of the primary HDD or SSD. If you have ever had a drive catastrophically fail (especially on the road) you know what a problem that is. The other part that is valuable is that the drive is internal to the laptop, so it cant be accidentally bumped out or removed.

    So this is probably not quite what you are looking for, but it is a neat little tool. There is a version that now supports SDIO, but I have not used this one.
     
  20. Musuta

    Musuta Notebook Consultant

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    Thnx interesting but am not gonna sick there some sd card or ms cards .. its useles for me tho ...