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    Need gaming laptop upgrade advices

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by caganimo, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. caganimo

    caganimo Newbie

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    Hey people, my first post on this forum. There are so many gurus on this forum and i need your advices.

    I have a rebranded MSI gaming laptop. The chasis looks like a GT70 Dominator Pro though I'm not sure. The configuration is as follows:

    i7 4710MQ - upgraded to 4900MQ (QS - Engineering Sample)
    16gb 1600Mhz ram
    GTX880M 8GB
    2x Samsung 840 Evo msata ssd

    As I stated above, recently I upgraded my CPU from stock 4710MQ to 4900MQ. It is an engineering sample but it works ok and is identical to oem. But I made a mistake by upgrading to this CPU because of TDP throttling Intel imposed. I wasn't aware of it. I can't overcome the 47W TDP limit unless I unlock the BIOS and there aren't anybody helping me about unlocking my BIOS. So I decided to upgrade my CPU again to i7 4940MX.

    My question is: Is it true that once I have an Extreme Edition CPU, I will see an option in the BIOS menu -that is previously hidden- and it will enable me to adjust certain advanced CPU settings such as turbo boost power time window, tdp limit etc etc...? I remember reading this on several certain topics both on Notebook Review and on some other forums. Can you please confirm this?

    Or at least will I have the option to get rid of TDP throttling (using XTU or Throttle Stop) once and for all if I have the 4940MX ?

    Another question about ram upgrade. I'd like to purchase 4x8GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2133Mhz memory modules. Am I gonna have problems running them @ 2133Mhz ? Please say so if you are experienced and certain about it. Btw. My BIOS have the option to choose desired ram speed including 1600,1866 and 2133.
     
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  2. kosti

    kosti Notebook Virtuoso

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  3. caganimo

    caganimo Newbie

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    Do you mean with the 4900MQ or 4940MX ?

    I tried using Throttle Stop with 4900MQ but it did nothing. Every option about removing throttle was locked or greyed out.
     
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    kosti Notebook Virtuoso

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    I'm not an expert but I believe that those options are not available on locked processors, so you should see them available on the 4940mx. I think it also depends on your BIOS though.
     
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    Or you could just buy a 980M & stick with your CPU & RAM - better gaming solution. I'm assuming 980M is compatible. Or better yet wait till the next generation of GPUs launched, probably within a quarter of a year, and get the next generation Pascal GPU (again, if it's compatible).
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry my mistake, I should have stated what I'm using my laptop for. I'm doing video editing on it. So every single Mhz I can get out of the CPU and RAM is more precious for me. Sure a 980M would help a little in rending and encoding/decoding but my priority is CPU and RAM right now.

    About compatibility, I know that my system is compatible with those 980M MXM boards sold on internet. Product description says MSI compatible.

    About Pascal, I read that It is going to stop using PCI Express interface. So I think none of us could be able to upgrade to Pascal GPUs, we have to buy new motherboard with proprietary nvidia data bus designed for Pascal gpus.
     
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    (We don't know about Pascal yet).
     
  8. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    Where did you read this. Tesla perhaps. Mainstream probably not. Laptops most are soldered junk anyway now. Doubt Nvidia hard pressed to change MXM unless they have to before volta...

    Sent from my SM-A500FU using Tapatalk
     
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    Power limiting on those CPU's that have programmable limits is the manufacturers doing, not Intels.

    Have you tried Svet on the MSI forum for an unlocked BIOS?

    Note that EC firmware may also have an effect, see this thread.

    YMMV, you might find you only gain ~10W with the 4940MX.

    Not sure why manufacturers rate the power limit based on the CPU where the CPU supports programmable limits and not based on the cooling design and available power delivery. Maybe a management decision rather than an Engineering one. If you buy a laptop that supports higher TDP processors then theoretically it should support cooling and power for the highest rated CPU which means the lower TDP CPU's should have some headroom to allow increasing limits. Intel state time and time again, TDP is a specification and not the maximum power the CPU can use.

    Would be nice if laptop manufacturers actually put the cooling rating as part of the specifications. i.e. CPU cooling provides 100W of heat transfer or C/W at full air flow...
     
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