Nehalem delayed till Q4 2008??!!??!!

Looks like I'll be buying a new laptop right before I go off to college in summer 2009!

http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=16432
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13438


Will use Socket LGA 1336
http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com/2007/10/intel-nehalem-will-be-socket-lga-1366.html

 

These are rumors only, and hold very little validity at this point.

We'll see what happens as time moves along.

 

Why do we need 8 cores anytime soon anyways?(except for SETI and folding nutheads lol) There is no real gaming or application uses.

 

Nehalem goes up to 8 cores, there will be dual core versions.

 

Data centers, servers, etc.

 

• What is the Integrated Graphics Controller on Nehalem?
• Is it a better version of intergrated graphics?
• Is it trying to compete with a dedicated graphics card?
• Will a Nehalem notebook without it be as good if it has a dedicated graphics card?

 

8 cores, yes, i bet that's cheap.

 

Well yes, commercially it will work well but on super desktops such as mine and most others...8 cores is quite useless

 

And the 8 core version, currently, will be server-only.



However, many more programs have begun the transition to multi-threading, so we'll soon see uses for it.

Hell, Windows Vienna will probably require an 8 core processor with 32GB of RAM minimum.

=P

 

You could power the whole world with something like that

 

Actually, I doubt. They are completely redoing the kernel for the next version of Windows due to the fact that the current one is too bloated and outdated to be worth anything (as signified by Vista). Incidentally, its known as Windows 7 now, not Vienna.

 

Come on. There MUST be a need for everyone to be able to run NASA's global warming models in conjunction with video recoding and simulating the nukes for Los Alamos.

 

Weren't they supposed to do that for Vista?

 

They ran out of time to recode it completely, so they just modified the XP kernel. Thats why it was delayed further from July 06 to January, though it went Golden in November for business users.

 

many more programs MAY have begun the transition to multi-threading, but how many of the average users will utilize these?

Vienna might require an 8 core processor with 32GB of RAM to do pretty much what XP can already with 1GB of RAM but with o so pretty graphics.

 

8 cores will be a huge advancement for virtualization. Watch the demo and read the white paper about how quad core benefits VT here. Just apply the same principles in that white paper to the quad-core to octo-core transition.

 

It was a joke, Vivek.

And I still don't hold much hope with Microsoft.

=P

 

I knew that you were joking, but with the next version of Windows, without redoing the kernel, it wouldn't actually be unreasonable to expect it to require at least a quad core and 4+GB of RAM.

However, with a completely redone kernel, it should be a lot less bloated and thus much quicker.

 

One can only hope...

 

Indeed....You know, thats one thing that can be called good about the high sys reqs of MS operating systems - they push the advancement of the technology faster. It takes nearly a year, but if you look now, almost every notebook for $800-1000 has 2GB of memory and a dual core processor. This time last year, you would have been hard pressed to get 2GB of RAM on a notebook for under $1500.

 

this could be great for me :

Because
!) I am buying my computer next year...during the xmas season..

 

Heh, well, I've been basing my computer purchase plans around Nehalem, so yea, I probably will be as well.

 

New info Nehalem for notebooks coming Q2 2009!:
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080107PD200.html

Following the launch of the first Nehalem-based CPUs, the quad-core Bloomfield for high-end markets, in the fourth quarter this year, Intel is planning to launch a performance level Nehalem-based quad-core series, Lynnfield, before the second quarter of 2009, while dual-core Havendale CPUs will be launched in the second quarter of 2009 targeting markets from entry-level to mainstream, according to sources at motherboard makers.

Lynnfield and Havendale will be designed to be to paired with an Ibexpeak southbridge and Havendale CPUs will also feature integrated graphics, the sources detailed.

Intel will launch Nehalem-based notebook CPUs at the end of the second quarter of 2009, including the quad-core Clarkefield and dual-core Auburndale series. Auburndale will have integrated graphics, while the power consumption of both CPUs will drop significantly.

Wolfdale CPUs will continue shipping for the entry-level segment, the sources added.

Intel declined the opportunity to respond to this report saying it does not comment on unannounced products.

 

Makes sense. No point in Intel cannibalizing their Montevina platform and Penryn processors so early when there's no real pressure from AMD.

 

Well, thats not unexpected. With Montevina hitting Q3 this year, it doesn't make sense for Intel to replace it all that quickly, and its not like AMD will overtake them or anything.

 

What are the major differences between Montevina and Nehalem?

From 45nm to 32nm?

 

Nehalem at first will still be 45nm. Is is an improvement on the Core 2 Duo architecture. Here is a comparison of the two laptop platforms for 2008-2009:


The code-name Montevina refers to the fifth-generation Centrino platform, scheduled for release in Mid-2008. Montevina will support Penryn, Intel's 45nm die-shrink version of its current generation of 65nm Core 2 processors.

The Montevina platform consists of:

* Processors - Socket P
an Intel Core 2 Duo (code-named Penryn) 45nm second generation processor with 1066 MT/s FSB is planned to consume no more than 29W, compared to Merom's 34W TDP, the debut of SSE4.1, which will add 47 new instructions to SSSE3.

* an Intel Mobile 45 Express chipset (code-named Cantiga; GM45, GS45 or GL40) with Intel's X4500 graphics technology and ICH9M southbridge, 1066 MT/s front side bus. The graphics core is expected to be clocked at 475MHz which will contain ten unified shaders, up from the GMA X3100's eight.
o Intel has confirmed they will have RAM support for DDR3-800 in preference to the less power-efficient DDR2-800 SO-DIMM.
o NAND flash-memory caching branded as Intel Turbo Memory (code-named Robson 2).
o LAN controller (code-named Boaz).
o Main support for DisplayPort with an external connector attached to the motherboard along with full supplemental support of the older HDMI, DVI, and VGA standards

* Wireless Modules
o the Intel WiFi Link 5300/5100/5350/5150 mini-PCIe adapter (code-named Shiloh), and the add-on card WiMAX (802.16) (code-named Dana Point), or
o the Intel combo WiFi/WiMAX Link mini-PCIe adapter (code-named Echo Peak).


Calpella platform (2009)

The code-name Calpella refers to the sixth-generation Centrino platform; it will be competing with AMD Fusion platform. It will premiere in early 2009 with the second iteration of Nehalem processors.

* Intel in late 2008 will release the Nehalem microarchitecture to replace the Intel Core microarchitecture.

* Intel will begin to release laptop processors in Q1 2009 (high-end desktop and server chips in Q4 2008).

* Intel in Early 2009 will release the second iteration of Nehalem processors for desktops and laptops (first iteration for laptop chips). The mobile versions will be Auburndale 45nm (mobile dual core with integrated GPU) and Clarksfield 45nm (mobile quad core).
o These dual/quad core (single chip) processors will fall under this newer Centrino (sixth generation) Calpella chipset.
o The Nehalem processors will all be smaller than the current Penryn processors and as such the chipset will also shrink allowing for smaller designs for laptops.

*
o There is also full support for WiFi (802.11 a/b/g/n) and WiMax (802.16) which will be in the wireless part of the chip.
o The GPU of the chip will be directly connected via QuickPath to the CPU removing the outdated FSB technology
o The GPU will also use a direct connect to DisplayPort (and DPCP) as with its predecessor along with legacy support for HDMI (and HDCP), DVI, and VGA.

The culmination of all of these progressive changes will result in the use of the:

* Nehalem microarchitecture
* Calpella chipset
* Nehalem (Auburndale) Dual Core 45nm or (Clarksfield) Quad Core 45nm processors

This chipset will support Flash based SSD as the principal storage medium. It is expected that the GPU will allow for optimizied decoding/encoding and editing/playback of H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10 video used in Blu-ray Discs and HD 1080p 60fps video, as Core 2 has been optimized for MPEG-2 (DVD) video playback and editing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino