New Santech Sandy Bridge laptop announced

Never heard about Santech before, but i think all new laptops with the new SB is interesting. Seems like its customizable with alot of interesting hw parts. Like better CPU than all the I7 Q2630 crap all other manufactorers are releasing.

Anyhow here is the link
Sandy Bridge Packing Santech N67 Notebook Made Official, Starts at 1,200 Euros - Softpedia

 

Gah, Feb 25, 2011 for the i7-2630QM? I hope that's only for Santech and not other makers like Clevo. I was hoping for sooner. I'm fine with an i7-2630QM.

 

But 2720QM have 3.3 GHz while 2630QM "only" have 2.9 GHz. And they both are 45W TDP. Why go low when you are thinking about buying a new laptop?
Don`t know how much more expensive the 2720 will be though...

 

Gah! 45W TDP on a 32NM lith?!

You know, I'd be perfectly happy with Core 2 performance if they would just shrink the TDP to where I can have a fanless, passively cooled notebook.

It seems like Intel just wants to push, push, and push some more on the 35-45W TDP. Ugh.

 

45W with IGP.


This is a new Clevo btw.

 

Thanks for pointing it out Phinagle. Seems like Santech is the reseller.
Here is an existing thread in the Clevo forum:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/543865-italian-clevo-reseller-sells-new-15-model-sandyb-usb3.html

 

Zomg. The laptop also will be available with Geforce GTX 485M
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Err are ALL Core i series processors now going to have IGP? No point in adding IGP for processors that are going into gaming laptops unless every laptop is going to have switchable graphics that have discreet video. Le sigh Intel

 

That's the idea I hope.

 

With Optimus and hopefully Dynamic SG every notebook should have switchable graphics.

Anyway if the system doesn't support the IGP (say in a PM67 chipset/dual GPU setup) then the IGP doesn't use any power so don't count the added TDP.

 

So what wattage does the IGP from the new SB draw?

 

I dunno.

 

Knowing Intel, it's probably a $100+ jumped between the 630QM and 272QM.

 

Not exactly. The TDP is still 45W; it simply means that the CPU will be able to use Turbo Boost more. The TDP is shared with everything on the chip, not an addition of separate TDPs, unfortunately.

 

I really don't care for optimus considering the headaches people have had with it, I'd prefer manual switching, but after using dual graphics, switchable graphics is a must.

Also, I really hope that these will be available sooner than Feb 25, because I can't really wait that long. I was hoping after CES we'd start to see models trickling in, primarily Sager / Clevo.

I'm not willing to pay top dollar for one, but my budget is roughly $1800, and I already have 8GB RAM for itand will live with my Momentus XT if I have to, but plan on a 60-90GB SSD for OS plus extra for storage (so need dual drives).

Either way, GTX 485m? Blech. Where's the new tech? Isn't that like a 200W GPU?

 

The GTX 485M is probably just a GTX 470M with higher clocks and maybe more shaders. It'll probably use either just as much power as the GTX 480M, or possibly less.

 

TDP is shared but Turbo Boost clocks are capped. Take away the IGP and the CPU cores will run at their fastest speeds more often but they still won't use all the extra TDP to exceed those caps. The net is still a lower TDP than the total TDP both the IGP and CPU can use together.

There has to be headroom left in the max TDP for the CPU and IGP to Turbo Boost individually...if there weren't you would rarely, if ever, see overclocking when both the CPU and IGP were in use. It would be either one or the other.

 

I meant more often, actually. I know they can't exceed the caps.

That (the bold) might be closer to the case than you might think. I don't remember where I saw the article (though I think it was linked to on this forum a few months back), but I think that the way it works actually does make their TB frequencies co-dependent. As in, they can't both go full turbo at the same time. Maybe I'm mistaken, since that does sound pretty dumb...

 

They may not both go full Turbo at the same time but one reaching max overclocks does not require the other be completely shut down.

Let me try an explain it a clearer way. The CPU cores can reach their max Turbo Boost clocks without requiring the IGP to be completely shut down...if they couldn't then the CPU cores would never reach their max overclocks while the IGP was under even low use. TDP headroom is reserved for the IGP to still run while the CPU cores are at their max clocks (and vice versa). When you shut the IGP down completely that extra reserved TDP associated with it doesn't get used by the CPU cores to go over their max Turbo Boost clocks, so that reserved IGP TDP doesn't get produced.

End result is a lower TDP for the CPU cores@max Turbo by itself than for the total TDP of the CPU cores@max Turbo plus the TDP of the IGP.

 

Intel's main aim is to increase the performance, not to decrease the power. They will never give you a Core 2 Duo T9900 with 10W TDP.


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Can't wait for the SB IGP. The performance to portability ratio will be awesome, and Intel -- as always -- will support us Linux users well. I am certainly leaning towards buying a notebook with the new architecture as soon as possible; though I may restrain myself long enough to ensure perfect Linux compatibility since we all know how Linux is with new hardware .

V4R.

 

Actually, I meant that one would have to be at base for the other to reach max, but that kinda proves your point, so I have nothing to add. The real question is how much of the TDP is reserved for each processor...

Also, this is my 1337th post. I win.

 

May be they will but no PC vendor will be using it. I have read some where that they were(are?) still making Pentium long after it disappeared from the PC industry, for other industrial usage, using whatever fully depreciated fab process.

 

on the configuration page it jumps from 429€ for the 2720MQ to 639€ for the 2820QM, to 1249€ for the 2920XM

 

Couple of bits:

I'm seeing in that translated bit that you can run a 485M and 2920XM off a 150/180W power supply.

I thought the 2920XM was going to support 1600 speed memory. Curious on that.

 

I'm seeing that 2920XM supports DDR3-1600 RAM...at least that's what anandtech is showing but only a few more days until CES. Also I'm seeing all mobile i7s will support 1600, and i5 will do 1333.

 

i7 2620, 2720, 2820, 2920: All of them supports 1600 MHz RAM. The core i5 series of SB does however only support up to 1333 MHz RAM.

I guess the resellers wont throw in 1600 ram because of the cost and that you get very little performance increase.

 

Pay that much for 100 MHz higher speed increase is a waste of money imo.
From 2630QM to 2720QM however you get 500 MHz extra. I think thats worth $100+.

 

It's only 200MHz when all cores are in use though. If you're buying to use it primarily as a quad core, that doesn't sound as impressive.

 

We still don't know the turbo stepping with all cores active, though. Taking that into account, the difference is probably actually 300MHz.

 

Negative sir. Pentium is a branding, like Celeron. The Pentium branding evolves with the architectures, just like Celeron. Current Pentium chips are Allandale based.

 

Actually he is right to an extent. Intel keeps fabs around for old enterprise systems, mostly servers.

 

I know the Pentium is a brand that can mean different architecture, I was referring to something like this:

PPC-3712GS 12.1" TFT LCD Intel Pentium M Industrial Panel PC with Optional Touchscreen Orbit Micro

Notice that it says Socket 479 Pentium M/Celeron M. That is not even the Core but Banias/Dothan.

 

Heck the Space Shuttle, Hubble, and other NASA components use 486 CPU's, even some 386's!

 

Ah. I see. Yes, that's Intel Fab 24's business (Fab24-2 to be specific). Industrial applications.