New Seagate Momentus XT 750GB w/ 8GB NAND (and more)

It could be HET-MLC.

 

Will it be sold at retail? And when?

 

More than likely. Don't know when, but I hate to see the price of it due to the flooding.

 

def gonna have a performance boost, price might be around $149 and that should make the current ones go down to $99 ! thats good news for all!

 

IDK, I'm just going to take a guess that it will start at $200.

I'm basing this on the 2.5" 9.5mm 1TB WD drive I was going to get which was $160 around the flooding($130 w/ rebate before news about the trouble), now $240.

Newegg.com - Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD10JPVT 1TB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive

BTW, here are the 500 hybrids:

Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus XT ST95005620AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ Solid State Hybrid Drive -Bare Drive
$150

Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus XT STAN500100 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Laptop Solid State Hybrid Hard Drive
$160

At the moment I'll stick with my dual 500GBers or until I can get a SSD for cheap this holiday season.

 

Also remember that HDD prices have been increasing due to events in Thailand...

 

Haven't been keeping up - any idea on a release?

 

Seagate says before end of 2012 release, I guess a good guess from now would be right after Black Friday sale.

Same goes for Intel on their new line of SSD's, Q3 2011 my butt.

 

Eh, that's fine. I'm happy with my HDD right now.

 

Is that a typo?

 

Correction: Seagate states before end of 2011 release.

Thanks,

 

I can't wait. My XT has been so cool. The new one should be better.

 

DO WANT, I own a 500GB XT with 4GB and the performance is beyond what I expected, veryfast and very snappy.

Can't wait

 

In a search for 'momentus xt' on newegg, found what looks like the rumored 750GB version:
Seagate Momentus XT ST750LX003 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive

No specs, even from other sites I found with that part number, but looks like it is coming soon

 

$239 on Newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148837&Tpk=ST750LX003

 

Ouch, 239...................

Edit; ouch to even normal drives, been out of the market too long.........

 

Wow, 239$ is pretty steep, even considering the current drive prices. I know there's an extra 4GB or SSD cache and an extra 250GB, but still that price seems a bit high to me, compared to the $159 500GB XT cost.

EDIT: I wonder if there are some R&D involved that would drive the cost up...

 

I guess normal price (without flooding) would be around $150, still pretty steep.

Performance needs to be top notch to justify that.

 

$275 for a OCZ 240GB SSD: Newegg.com - OCZ Vertex Plus OCZSSD2-1VTXPL240G 2.5" 240GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

 

plenty of fairly cheap SSD's out there now. IMHO I would block OCZ if I could, although not personally effected, I have a rather bitter taste in my mouth with them.....................

 

To the average user the XT would offer 80% of the performance of the cheap SSD, while offering 300% of the capacity. So may not be a bad deal.

It's interesting for people who only have one hard drive bay.

 

Rumor has it that prices may soon start returning to normal.

Hard-disk prices soon to return to normality - Storage - News - HEXUS.net

Update:
We've since heard from industry sources who claim that hard-drive production will not hit pre-flood levels for a year. These sources claim that Western Digital and Seagate will very slowly increase production over the coming months. Until then, expect the two goliaths to keep prices high, passing these on to retailers who, inevitably, pass them on to you.

Ooops.

 

I'll wait for prices to drop considerably.

Do we have benchmarks?

 

It's in stock now at Newegg so it shouldn't take too long before we see benchmarks.

 

I just checked, and didn't see it. Link?

 

Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus XT ST750LX003 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive

 

It says deactivated. Shame, I'd buy that for my win8 Test Rig m1710

 

I may be interested in one, I love my SSD and all but the crysis I forsaw about HDD space limitations became a reality for me because I want to have games on my SSD not just programs and games consume my entire SSD so easy and due to the nature of Steam and Origin I have to have all games in the same place. So I am forced to not install games I want.

My programs always opened fast enough for me, boot times were a non issue.

I may be one of the first reverse SSD convertee's

That is until 500GB SSD are under $200 and as good as our current top end.

 

Or until steam allows to install games to multiple directories . The XT looks like a good alternative for people in your case, but the amount of cache is still rather small if you are going to use the drive for a lot of games. OCZ (yeah, i know OCZ...) was working on a desktop HDD with something like 100GB of Nand as cache if i recall correctly. I'd like to see something similar for notebooks, maybe with s somewhat smaller cache, but one that would allow to cache a good part of your game library.

 

Yeah definite shame, but I am hoping it is more to do with an NDA type of thing (which messed up the order system) instead of just being out of stock.

Also, it looks like NBR published it's review:
750GB Seagate Momentus XT Review: The Latest and Greatest Hybrid Drive
Storagereview also compared it to the previous 500GB model and even did a RAID 0 with two of them:
Seagate Momentus XT 750GB Review | StorageReview.com

How familiar are you with NTFS Junctions and the unofficial SteamTool Library manager ( http://stefanjones.ca/steam/)?It might come in handy assuming it works out...

Also, if you can get a smallish SSD along with your hard drive(either in optical drive or mSata if possible), then a software caching type of program may be worth it.
Stuff like NVELO's Dataplex looks promising.
http://www.storagereview.com/diy_ssd_hdd_notebook_caching_nvelos_dataplex

 

A video review here:

See:
NCIXcom's Channel - YouTube

 

I know it is possible to use junctions and i also know of the library management tool. I did look for a way to install steam games to multiple locations a while back. However, i believe a feature native to the app would still be the best and easiest way to do it and not everyone is willing to play with their systems like some of us here do.

Software caching do look promising, maybe we'll get a chipset that allows this like the desktop Z68 chipset eventually.

 

The hard drive itself looks impressive:


Real world performance too:
Seagate Momentus XT 750GB Hybrid Hard Drive Review - Page 9

Edit: Techreport has their review up too.



Performance looks very impressive.

Seagate's Momentus XT 750GB hybrid hard drive - The Tech Report - Page 9

 

Weird, I do a search for Momentus XT and it doesn't show up.

Nice performance though. In any case no need for it now, maybe in a year when the price is half.

 

On Google there are many reviews: https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=xt+750GB+review

The search function on the forum is messed up.

Yeah it needs to come down to $150 in my opinion to be really interesting.

 

I been waiting for an upgrade. I bought the first gen XT 500GB with 4GB NAND last year for $89.99. For the money, it was good and the improvement in performance was noticable. I just wished they made the second gen XT with 16GB NAND instead of 8GB since it would cache all of the programs I use. Ideally it would be nice if they had a 1TB with 32GB NAND, 2.5" & 9.5mm size SATA III version next year for around $200-$250. That would potentially be the true "SSD killer".

For now, I will just keep my 240GB SSD I bought several months ago.

 

so is there any significant advantage to such a hybrid drive if you already have, say a 128gb ssd, as a boot drive, and so would be using the hybrid drive as basically a data drive? from casual reading of nbr, it would seem not? if so, is it basically because the small ssd in the hybrid is used only as a read cache and not as a write cache?

 

As a data drive it doesn't make much sense. Well only if you access the same data often in a short period of time.

Yes it's a read cache only.

 

Normal answer to most things... It depends.

If you have a lot of files which you treat mostly as read-only, then the XTs work like a champ.

For instance, if you do any kind of photo editing, web development, many images are stock images are are used over and over again - not modified day in and day out. In my case, I compile a lot of different pieces of software a lot of which depend on a base set of libraries. Once those libraries have been compiled, they sit on my XTs waiting to be read by the next compilation.

 

At that point wouldn't it be better to just have a drive useable SSD on top of the HDD instead of flash memory as a cache drive?

 

I very much want one of these. Hopefully they show up on eBay soon.

 

I admit, I'm drooling over this drive. $240 is too steep, though. If it gets to around $150 or so, I'll bite in a heartbeat.

 

I am wondering if PS3 compatible how much better of a drive this would be for that? Is the PS3 large sector format compatible?

Also this may be of interest to me as well as a data drive. I use the older XT now but can see the cache getting flushed somewhat on occasion. it would be nice if ie the boot data thing they use holds all the metadata sectors etc without flushing.............

 

With the current listed price, you may as well purchase a smaller compact SSD being much more efficient and very high performance. You can get a Samsung 470 SSD 256GB for around $272 on eBay, so I mean, they need to price this drive a bit more competitively, otherwise no one will really buy it.

 

Used maybe, but not new.

 

Well, these guys are always selling new ones, I got mine through an auction for about $25 dollars cheaper, but yeah, they aren't used.

 

This would be the best option for laptops that only have 1 hard drive bay or the option for mSATA. For deskstop users, the Momentus XT would be a waste of money.

 

Anyone know the Momentus XT road map ? I want a 500GB with 8GB+ flash

btw i'm new to this, does caching decrease the lifespan of the flash memory ? And how is hardware-sided algorithm compared to software-sided (NVELO's Dataplex)

 

not deactivated................

Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus XT ST750LX003 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Solid State Hybrid Drive -Bare Drive

 

there is no point in making 500gb 8gb nand drives! we want more and more hdd space, isnt the 1st and most important point of choosing drives over ssds?? . anyway in the future or the xt3 we will see 1tb 16gb nand flash and with hard drive prices down by then! that would be killer, either way I would upgrade next holidays! having bought a new system now. I got the xt1 on sale for $89. That was a good buy and I would be happy with it, since I have a blu ray burner ! wo hoo!