New Turion Processors

Name L2 Cache HyperTransport
Turion Ultra ZM-88[1] 2 x 1 MiB 4400 MHz
Turion Ultra ZM-86[1] 2 x 1 MiB 4400 MHz
Turion Ultra ZM-84[1] 2 x 1 MiB 4400 MHz
Turion Ultra ZM-82[1] 2 x 1 MiB 4400 MHz
Turion Ultra ZM-80[1] 2 x 1 MiB 4400 MHz
Turion RM-84[1] 2 x 512 KiB 4000 MHz
Turion RM-82[1] 2 x 512 KiB 4000 MHz
Turion RM-80[1] 2 x 512 KiB 4000 MHz
Athlon QL-64[1] 2 x 512 KiB 3600 MHz
Athlon QL-62[1] 2 x 512 KiB 3600 MHz
Athlon QL-60[1] 2 x 512 KiB 3600 MHz

Anybody heard any other information about it like wattage etc., the turion zm88 looks promising about time they revamped the mobility chips

 

wow, 4.4ghz looks like its gonna get super hot in a mobile platform.

 

WOW 4.4 thats more than twice than my 1.9!!!! Yes I wonder how hot could this one get?

Also will this one be the same rank as the TL-58, I mean the basic starting point for the processors?

 

That's gotta be wrong. Either it's 4.4GHz being the total of both cores, so that's a reasonable 2.2GHz per core. OR it's 4400+ like the standard AMD notation, and turns out is much lesser.

 

i would think it's the hyper transport the equivalent of the front side bus on the intels. amd and intel have different architectures and supposedly that's the reason they don't have as high L2 cache.

 

Yep, AMD has an integrated mem controller in all there CPUs, but that hasn't helped them much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Turion_microprocessors
Scroll down to the ''lion'' series for more.

 

lol it is the hypertransport, its just that the name hasnt formatted correctly above them, that is what i wanted to know , like what is the actually ghz of the processors because there is no info on that yet

 

isnt that still incredibly fast for hypertransport though? i could help if laptop ddr3 memory was introduced

 

I think they max out around 2.5ghz or less. AMD has struggled with increasing clockspeed with its 65nm process.

I doubt even the fastest turion would beat a T9300 or even T8300.


As I guessed zm86 clocks at 2.4ghz.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...bruar/neue_roadmap_amds_notebook-prozessoren/

 

that 4400Mhz, is 2200Mhz x 2. It is a simple marketing strategy to get the consumer interested in buying, thinking its more than double the power.

These turions are just going to use a new process, probably 65nm, and a new architecture logic, so they will be somewhat more competitive.
As for pricing, they will probably be like $100 more expensive, cause AMD is not in the position right now to charge a lot for their uncompetitive processors.

K-TRON

 

I think current spider platform is also 65nm.

 

It's not 2200MHz x 2. It's the speed of the Hyptertransport.

 

what do you think the ZM88 with clock at ? 2.6ghz? seems that the new chips have a very nice low wattage, i am hopefully waiting for them

 

Considering that they are still 65nm like the current K8s and basically using the same core with enhancments, I expect them to be similar from a thermal standpoint (but it is only based on conjecture at this point).......

 

What the heck is AMD thinking? If they want to compete with Intel they're going to have to release up-to-speed architectures. Increase clock speeds is just one way of prolonging the shelf life of an aging architecture; and the Turion architecture is showing its age. It can't even compete with equivalent Intel CPUs.

 

with 1/2 multipliers, I expect zm88 at 2.5ghz. that is sad story for amd as they are have lower clockspeeds plus lower IPC. On top of that they are giving least importance to notebook platform. Puma is still K8 based platform, so they are not releasing k10 based notebook cpu for well over an year after release of k10.

I am hoping with 45nm black swift? they match intel. Only then intel will keep upping its processors.

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/processors/?p=152

See here for clock speeds.

 

So it looks like 2.4GHz is the top one. If the ZM-86 does not beat the current TL-68 by a wide margin (which is unlikely), then even the topmost current Penryns will chew it up.........

 

I dont think TL68 will even beat T8100. I doubt ZM86 will come close to T8300. I dunno how much better montevina based cpus would be, it will not matter. AMD is just letting Intel dominate this side of business.

 

AMD really can't do much else. Intel has a lot more resources that they can dedicate to their processors. AMD can only choose to lower prices to compete in the value section.

 

Turions have been 65nm for a long time now......

 

Do you all not realize that AMD has updated their memory controller, which was pretty weak and inefficient, because it was 5 years old. This is why AMD lagged so far before in performance, but no more! With these new processors the memory bandwidth and speed is going to shoot past Intel's. Intel has updated the FSB, but their memory is still 667.

AMD's Puma will actually run the DDR2-800 memory at speed. And it is incredibly elegant how they have made the two cores and the chipset run at different frequencies and voltages as to not eat up your battery.

You must read between the lines to understand the value Puma brings to the table. It is going to be better than you think. For gosh sake it will actually play an entire Blu-Ray movie on less than a single battery!

It may not beat Intel's latest and greatest, but it will do 90% of it and cost 40% of it.

 

Oh, and actually having experience with ASIC development and manufacturing, I can tell you it costs a lot and it takes time to perfect each chip, a lot of time. One practice try at getting a chip right at 65nm probably costs about $5M (that is just the actual one time fabrication, you already done spent $30M developing it). I know at IBM our runs at 90nm were still about $2.5M.

I honestly can't believe these companies are paving the way so fast at 65, 55, 45nm because the current leakage is terrible when the metal layers and oxides are so thin. These things are taking us years on my programs to perfect on 90nm technology still, although we make stuff that runs on AAs. IBM only just released what they think are reliable libraries for 90nm for people to design with.