Nvidia Thread

@yrekabakery , we were talking a few pages back how we were a bit worried about the 6GB VRAM in RTX 2060, and you gave a list of games incl Shadow of War where they've been problems with GTX 1060 6GB & 980ti 6GB cards and stuttering due to only 6GB VRAM. Here's an RTX 2060 review with Shadow of War, and it's tested up to 4K resolution, no frame time issues (also no frame time issues in other games tested there):
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...art-One-Initial-Testing/Middle-Earth-Shadow-W

That's a good omen then in terms of this card having enough VRAM for today's games, tomorrow games are another matter though.

 

Yes, the tendency of us aussies to be laid back and use trust in the future as an excuse to do nothing about a problem ;p

 

Really running out of VRAM isn't a good omen, it's going to lead to reduced textures or reduced performance, depending on the implementation and map.

In this case, you actually do save money in the long run, by buying more, VRAM.

Since many reviewers don't catch this VRAM shortage problem at all, not testing for the problem, as the owner of said small VRAM GPU you'll be the first to know.

If you buy a less than adequately attired VRAM GPU and try to play a game that needs more VRAM, which can happen to even 8GB VRAM GPU's - as seen in my previous post, your bad omen's will come home to roost.

More VRAM is better . Purchase aware, buy accordingly.

 

I find it highly amusing that you are so willing to throw out his 2060 test results, one of the best, most dedicated, and most honest reviewers out there, for the merest possible hint of a thought at his being pissed at Nvidia's shenanigans for ruining his livelihood - and that it would cause him to be "extra honest" in his 2060 review.

 

Well, at that link I provided, he's doing frame time testing, so that's very specific to stuttering issues, so it's amoungst the most thorough testing you can expect to find. More VRAM is not better, there are other factors that are more important when you compare cards, but of course running out of VRAM is catastrophic on the gaming experience. To me so far it does indeed look like the 6GB of VRAM on the RTX 2060 is enough for today's games, but it probably reduces the longevity of this card in the long run for sure.

 

Like you wouldn't feel the same way if you had an otherwise great professional relationship with a company, and who (allegedly) said they want to work more closely with you that all of a sudden just falls apart because you're not 100 percent drinking the Kool-Aid. Come on, man, you're better than this.

 

He used the High preset, which does not activate the VRAM-hungry Ultra textures (the game goes up to Very High and Ultra).

 

No doubt I would be P.O as well, but they've now made 3 separate videos about it. It's not just how I feel about their upcoming review its how a lot of people will see it. If it's a positive review, it could be perceived as positive because he doesn't want to make Nvidia mad. If it's negative, their mad at Nvidia. They cold have handled the situation more professionally.

 

Oh lordy, it's hard to arrive at conclusions! Nothing in reviews has talked about RTX 2060 stuttering in any games and no frame time issues, I reckon it's safe to say RTX 2060 is ok with it's 6GB for today's games. Will shorten it's useful life as a card though for future games. I probably shouldn't mention this again, I'm sounding like a broken record! We'll see what happens after launch date and if the internet is flooded with "I just bought my shiny new RTX 2060 and now it's stuttering in all my games!".

 

People are still gaming on the 3.5GB GTX 970 without issue. My buddy still uses one and he hasn't complained to me about stuttering.

 

As someone who was using a 980M 4GB up until a year ago, it’s doable as long as you carefully manage the VRAM-intensive settings.

 

Or, you could get 16GB of VRAM, and not worry about running out of VRAM.


Save $100 on a 3-fan GPU, and get 2x as much VRAM, 16GB vs 8GB:

 

Should have reduced that to 8gb and slashed the price way down, then it would have been exciting.

 

Maybe AMD knows things you don't? Like 16GB might be more useful than 8GB within the lifetime of the GPU?

Besides, this was a first announcement, no AIB announcements, and it's likely there will be an 8GB GPU for less if that makes sense.

Given 11GB outperforms 8GB in some games already, going to 16GB now for the life of a new GPU makes a lot of sense.

Lisa Su did emphasize the content creation performance as well, so the 16GB might be the top model for content creation, and then an 8GB sku from AIB partners for less and maybe even 24GB / 32GB sku's might make sense for content creation?

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp..._rtx_2080_ti_when_ray_tracing_battlefield_v/1

 

$669, get those precious 3 fans and 2 games. And we know how AMD likes to price their GPUs with their launch partner rebate programs. $699 at launch day/reviews and then magically $100 more expensive the next day.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...TX 2080&cm_re=RTX_2080-_-14-932-066-_-Product

 

16GB is completely overkill for gaming though, now and in the near future. HBM2 is expensive and I would rather buy a cheaper card with a more reasonable mem capacity. Pricing it equivalent to the RTX 2080 isn’t gonna fly either, it lacks ray tracing and DLSS features and has much worse power efficiency.

 

Come on you guys, you can sit there with a straight face and set RTX features ray-tracing and DLSS as some kind of "advantage"?? Pffft!

Please hold your tongue's and stay quiet about that RTX BS until you can point to 10 shipping games - production shipments, not BETA's, Demo's, or other crap.

There's barely 1 game with that RTX BS so far, and it's so bad noone actually benefits with RTX On, it's a waste of FPS - ZERO value.

Seriously, stuff that RTX BS up where the "ray's don't shine".

 

It’s still a value-added feature at the same price that some people care about.

 

The irony here is so sharp I almost cut myself.

 

The fact that other than RTX features the 20 series are the 10 series with new names and higher prices is where the irony resides.

All the Nvidia fanboi's scrambling to justify spending beaucoup bucks on a rehashed rebranding of 3 year old technology.

And, then to "complain" about the first 7nm GPU and CPU's, the first real innovations in both realm's, from AMD - not from Intel or Nvidia, is just so surprising.

You'd think they'd be happy there was progress, competition, a means to move forward that might motivate Intel and Nvidia to also innovate instead of milking their customers for nothing in return.

Apple has been such a bad influence on the technology industry, with high prices and lack of real technology innovation, really Apple have been such a bad example to the other industry leaders.

 

Nvidia CEO: Rival AMD’s graphics chip performance is ‘underwhelming’

https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/09/nvidia-ceo-rival-amds-graphics-chip-performance-is-underwhelming/

"I asked Huang if he was disappointed in the numbers of games that support Nvidia’s latest graphics features, like real-time ray tracing and DLSS. He said, “Every generation starts at zero.” He said more support was coming ahead for real-time ray tracing (which delivers some very cool reflection, lighting, and shadow effects), and DLSS in the future."

Battlefield V - Ray tracing, with DLSS coming in a near patch to make near loss less ray tracing performance and no need for TAA.

Final Fantasy - DLSS

Anthem Feb 22 -- DLSS

Metro Exodus Feb 15 -- Ray tracing

4 games in about 4 months since launch will have support for RTX features which add value. Adding 8gb of WAM that isn't necessary at all doesn't add value for most users. Most seem P.O. that they added it and jacked up the price.

Nvidia stock up today, AMD down. Not a good look for a company that just announced brand new 7nm tech.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...ice-releases-7nm-gaming-gpu-2019-1-1027856561

 

Yeah, Nvidia led by Jensen are really the nastiest rudest group of anti-customer and anti-partner jerks in the industry. Truly shameful.

" Regarding AMD, he said the Ryzen VII didn’t have real-time ray tracing or another feature dubbed DLSS, which can sharpen and speed frame rates."

Ha, refer to my last comments about RTX being a waste of efforts, and I was happy to see AMD completely ignore RTX competitively, noone wants it or wants to pay for it. Everyone wants GTX 11xx GPU's to be released so they can escape paying for the overpriced RTX hell.

 

A real surprise would have been if he didn't say something like this. Gotta keep the brave face on for the stakeholders.

Too easy.

 

So what is Vega 20, but Vega 10 with the exact same feature set but a smaller performance delta than Pascal to Turing. Turing at least has some new value-added features going for it like RT, DLSS, adaptive shading, vastly improved NvENC, etc. And the pricing is the same with AMD.

 

No, an honorable person, a CEO like Lisa Su, wouldn't have stooped so low as to embarrass herself and her company pulling those kindergarten moves.

It's always with the back stabbing and dirty dealing with Nvidia, we are so used to them doing it most hardly notice it, but it's very clear to the rest of us.

Such bad manners and bad behavior as a company comes from the leadership at the top.

Nvidia needs a new CEO.

 

Dude just stop. You’ve literally become a caricature at this point.

 

4 non-shipping "make-a-wish" "maybe it'll work right someday" titles isn't 10 honest to goodness shipping games, right? Just 10, not 30,000+, 10.

4 game developers is embarrassingly minuscule support.

Seriously you guys look silly trying to sell RTX as "value", it's a total waste of silicon, and most people wish Nvidia would still release GTX 20 series GPU's so they can buy something of value.

There are plenty of happy people today that have a desire to not buy RTX GPU's and want an alternative, and soon they'll have a nice one in the AMD Radeon Vega VII GPU.

With 16GB of VRAM for future-proof gaming.

 

NVIDIA Autonomous Vehicle Hits the Las Vegas Strip at CES 2019

 

OK, yeah, it's time for you to stop now. I know you're not going to because you always have to have the last word, but maybe give it the 'ol college try.

 

I'll leave you with the Nvidia fanboi's motto:

 

LOL! In the inline video provided by the good Dr's post, it has the title as "NVIDIA Autonomous Vehicle Hits...", I had to do a double take because I really wanted to know what did they hit! Another self-driving car? A pedestrian? What did it hit?

Spoiler: NVIDIA Autonomous Vehicle Hits

NVIDIA Autonomous Vehicle Hits the Las Vegas Strip at CES 2019

 

Oh, it's coming, you *know* it's'a gonna happen sooner or later, then BAM!! Auto-crash mode enabled.

Gotta love the hubris of programmers, hey we modeled 7 million collisions to avoid....

And I'm guessing they still missed more than a few scenarios ready to find in the real world.

 

CES 2019: NVIDIA on the Show Floor

 

Nah...they went with 16 so they didn't have to redesign the VRAM. 7nm is exciting, but this was definitely rushed, just like the 3rd gen. RYZEN with only 8 cores. They should have went with 8gb and slashed prices to take advantage of NVIDIA's recent missteps. Regardless, it will be interesting to see what additional information is released further into the year on both lineups.

 

As I recall, and confirmed by The Old Time Gamer, the original idea for the Vega II was to only be a new professional "creative" GPU, which explains the 16GB minimum.

Too costly to design a reduced memory layout, maybe an AIB will come up with that unless the GPU locks that in, and tweaking the cores down by "4" to differentiate the gaming GPU from the professional GPU was a good move - I doubt AMD did it to recover "failed" core dies.

It looks like Nvidia's 20 Series was such a weak move by Nvidia that AMD realized their Vega II would compete against the #2 GPU for price and performance - and the AMD $699 price as already leaked as the "creative" GPU version fit that Nvidia 2080 tier GPU, so now we get the new AMD Radeon Vega VII "gaming" GPU

AMD is focusing on CPU's, and the new 7nm process upgrade + architecture generational upgrade is time consuming to tweak, so I'm not surprised it wasn't ready to announce models and release date any more time exactness than "middle of 2019".

The Navi 7nm was / is still planned for 2H 2019 too.

It's nice that AMD is hanging in there offering new gaming GPU's, I hope people appreciate the effort.

Maybe Nvidia will offer 11xx GTX GPU's so gamers can afford to get a new gaming GPU in 1H 2019. Maybe not. Probably still best to dig into the used market for 10 series GPU's at least until 2H 2019.

 

You talk about within the lifetime of the GPU. Maybe people will get some enjoy of Nvidia's new tech later?

Previous you said Nvidia should get rid of some Vram to lower prices. Once we talk about AMD then you change goal

 

It is really the HBM2 spec limitations. There are only 4GB of HBM2 available (up to 8GB, but price would be too crazy for this) for each stack and Radeon VII has 4 stacks. No other configuration is possible unless they actually go through the trouble of redesigning their MI60 with 3072-bit width with 3 stacks. Instead, they just made MI50 (which is MI60 with 4 disabled CUs) into gaming card.

 

What with AMD's bashing? Have you ever seen their advertisements? Maybe they are not approved by those on top?

 

CES - Nvidia Edition ft. RTX 2060 + FreeSync!
AdoredTV
Published on Jan 9, 2019


alandab 2 hours ago
"You called it, dude! The Ryzen 3000 design looks just like what you said. Based on the design shown, it obvious we're getting a 16/32 this year. What's sad is how the mainstream reviewers are trying to crap on you. It's shameful and disappointing to see such shills try to discredit the obvious points you made. Anyway, you've made a believer out of me!"

Joker Productions 13 hours ago
"Nvidia is very quick to correct people that its Adaptive Sync and not Freesync. An Nvidia rep actually said, "Freesync sucks". I found that rather surprising that they were so blunt about it."

wile123456 11 hours ago
" @Cloud Navy so like all nvidia employees speaking to the public? Including Jensen "Wooop""

thepro08 12 hours ago
"...everybody IS and SHOULD call ngridia on their ********, enough is enough they are selling their entry level gpus at 350, inventing 8 monitors that now work with freesync when its a hack... just to get more free publicity its just scam after scam, coercing reviewers to lie and sign tyrannical and criminal NDAs, it's just **** show after **** show with clear lies, being sued by their own stockholders.... they are doing criminal **** and is enough!!! and most reviewers are afraid to tell the real truth because they will be blackballed."

Mr Dr Prof Patrick 6 hours ago
"Tf FreeSync is literally AdaptiveSync"

Spoiler: Nvidia - "I made this"

 

Nvidia Now Intimidating Reviewers?
The Good Old Gamer
Published on Jan 9, 2019
Today, Steve from Hardware Unboxed and Techspot, informed the community that his Geforce RTX 2060 Review has been postponed due to his critical analysis of the RTX series of graphics cards. This is just another sign of corporate overreach.

 

"... a load of crap out of Nvidia's CEO's mouth..." - Hardware Unboxed

News Corner | Nvidia CEO Slams Radeon VII & Lies About FreeSync, AMD Shows Radeon VII Benchmarks
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Jan 11, 2019

Spoiler: News Topics:

01:20 - Nvidia CEO Claims Radeon VII is Underwhelming
03:15 - More AMD Radeon Products Coming in 2019
03:57 - Intel Releases More 9th-Gen Processors
05:06 - AMD Radeon VII Benchmark Numbers Spotted
06:24 - FSP’s Liquid Cooled and Redundant Power Supplies
07:51 - 3DMark’s Port Royal Ray Tracing Benchmark is Here
08:35 - Toshiba Launches 16TB TDMR HDD
09:18 - New Lenovo Legion Monitors
10:08 - Dell 240Hz Laptop Display and 55-inch 120Hz OLED
10:38 - The Division 2 On Epic Games Store, Not Steam

 

Titan V VS Titan RTX - Will RT Cores Make A Difference?

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/titan_v_vs_3dmark_port_royal_-_rt_cores_matter/1


TLDR — Yes. Titan V gets rekt.

 

Celebrating Robotics in Seattle: NVIDIA Opens New AI Research Lab

 

If the code for the DXR effects didn't call out the RTX features, and was written and optimized without the RTX features in mind, the efforts would be better put to general GPU support for DXR - those games would run on Intel / AMD and Nvidia GPU's past to offer ground up built in ray-tracing levels appropriate for games to support all GPU's.

That's what AMD was doing before RTX released, and continues to do after RTX is released.

With AMD developing CPU and GPU @ 7nm + new architecture's - all to be included in all of the new gaming consoles, which all games are written to be optimized on, that optimization will transfer to the new AMD CPU / GPU in PC's, and PC ports to those GPU's will optimize without RTX features first - and new 7nm AMD CPU's / GPU's will benefit, as well as traditional rasterization supporting Nvidia GPU's

While RTX GPU's will only get some RTX support, not all games optimized for consoles where RTX doesn't and won't exist will take the extra effort to "tack on" RTX shininess, while all the non-RTX GPU's will get the benefits.

Jensen while trying to lock out the market with RTX, has locked Nvidia out of Real-time ray-tracing in consoles.

Nvidia rolled the dice on fooling us twice - a rehash of Series 10 rasterization renamed as Series 20 - and then added the "bag of magic RTX beans" to the deceptions.

Basic bad guy cheater liar rule #1, don't complicate the scam with 2 lies, focus on 1 good lie and work that. 2 lies more than double the chances the mark will wake up and walk away.

Wake up, and walk away from RTX.

 

RTX is already closely tied to DXR and Vulkan Ray Tracing. So any titles that utilizes ray tracing either by DXR or Vulkan will utilize RT cores.
https://developer.nvidia.com/rtx/raytracing

PS4 and Xbox One already had all AMD APUs, since 2013. That didn't stop PC games being optimized mostly on Nvidia hardware. I don't expect that to change on next console generation since Nvidia maintains strong relationship with most major developers.

 

Both partially true enough to be satisfying, but don't believe it, the ports of the new games from consoles will not offer RTX out of the box, and will need additional work to add working and tested support for RTX RT/DLSS - it will come at an additional cost to the developers in time and resources.

If the Nvidia RTX / DXR implementation will accelerate RT features those paths won't be tested from non-RTX specific games.

I find it hard to believe Nvidia isn't making RTX proprietary enough to lock out games not written for RTX features any less than Nvidia is already today locking out non-RTX hardware from running DXR games written for RTX.

So if the existing RTX games lockout non-RTX hardware, and hardware that supports DXR but isn't RTX hardware is plugged in those games won't run. Fortunately that's only a small handfull of games, 1 so far maybe 2 soon.

All the rest of the games ported in the years to come won't be coming from consoles with RTX hardware, and will support non-RTX hardware. If those games optimized to support DXR features on non-RTX hardware are ported, they will support all GPU's, except for Nvidia RTX specific paths which will require more resources to verify they are optimized and tuned - some ports will spend the effort, some won't.

I expect that developers porting console games continue to support the open DXR and won't allow Nvidia to influence them to port to locked in RTX hardware only on the PC side, and will continue to support the same open DXR hardware support.

Whether AMD includes it's own DXR acceleration at some point doesn't change the above, it just add's another level of potential proprietary optimization, which knowing AMD will have open arms to support all using it.

Nvidia won't share their proprietary inventions with AMD, we've seen that with G-sync.

I guess Nvidia could adopt AMD's methods from consoles too, and then belittle it, change it slightly - breaking many previously working 100% games / hardware, rename it, and call it their own and lock out anyone that won't pay for certification. Still bad mouthing AMD's original invention.

Where have I see this happen recently....hmmmm?

Spoiler: Nvidia - "I made this"

 

NVIDIA Gets SALTY About AMD's new GPU!
Blunty
Published on Jan 10, 2019
Like a high school girl, like Ninja loosing at Fortnite, Jensen Huang, big man at NVIDIA, gets REAL SALTY about AMD's new Radeon VII GPU... and it's pretty cringy.


Pinned by Blunty
Blunty 1 day ago
"The performance is LOUSY" said Nvidia boss about a card that performs like their own RTX 2080... so by extension, the RTX 2080 is also LOUSY, right?"

Zap zockt 1 day ago (edited)
"Smart video. Seems someone is a bit stressed there and he has become more emotional and less thoughtful with his words. Very low performance, Mr. Jensen."

Icybubba 1 day ago
"Radeon VII is a great alternative for those who don't want to support Nvidia's business practices, and AMD did say that they have more planned for later this year. No wonder he's lashing out"

KiddsockTV 1 day ago
"Definitely going to switch over to an AMD card...Huang gave Lisa Su a reason to say "Hold my beer." I'll hold it for her!!"

 

Navi STILL Coming This Year, Nvidia CEO Trashes AMD!
Gamer Meld
Published on Jan 11, 2019


Nemesis_FTW 7 hours ago (edited)
"Ray tracing will crush it? The one game that has released literally tanks when you have RTX on even after the patch. Jensen knows that they gambled on Ray Tracing and DLSS and will have to rely on fan boys to sell these cards this gen. AMD went with improving the Vega architecture and yes while it's the same price as the 2080, it gives those who wanted a higher tier AMD card the option to do so. I expect we will see more information after E3 about Navi when the Sony and Microsoft start unveiling the new systems later this year."

hamidious 2 hours ago
"Hseun now is using elementary school tactics to try to eliminate AMD threat. It is not working. Fact is, AMD is delivering a great product, and if all you have to counter it is childish screaming and over-hyped features that means [AMD] are doing it right. The only advantage Nvidia is having now is marketing."

Spork Master 7 hours ago
"The way Lisa Sue responded to Jensen's childish comments was good, I like how chill she is. Anyway that was pretty disappointing and wasn't expecting Jensen to act so childish to competition, competition is good for everyone so why he would act so negatively idk."