P9700 vs T9900 vs X9100

I think the topic says it all, but I'm looking for opinions.

Anyway, I bought a QX9300 processor for my Asus G51vt-RX05 (Best Buy version for those not familiar with the product). Apparently, it doesn't work... at least right now. In the event that the reseller variant--which comes with quads--doesn't have a fix for my laptop, I'll settle for a high-end C2D. In any case, I can sell the QX9300 if it doesn't work, period, or the C2D if the QX does, in fact, work.

Anyway, I'm intrigued by the three processors I have listed. I found them all on eBay, and all are OEM versions, not ES.

The P9700 looks like a very competent chip, and the 25 TDP is great for a laptop that has known high temperatures. Also, this ships from the US, so it'll stay relatively local.

The T9900 is much faster than the P9700, but has a higher TDP. Will that effect heat much? Also, this processor is the most expensive of the three I've seen, though at least it's in the US.

Lastly, the X9100 is on sale from China. It looks it consumes the most power and runs the hottest. And it has the same L2 Cache and clock speed of the T9900, so there must be something about this chip that makes it "xtreme" over the T-series CPU.


So, suggestions?

 

The X9100 has been proven to be able to overclock past where the other Chips have failed... I believe Madrake got his up to 3.5 or so... and I'm sure you will have no sweat at all selling the Qx9300 and make some money to boot!

 

Plus the stock P7350 could fetch some cash, though probably not too much.

So, one vote for the China-shipped X9100.

 

That's a pretty powerful machine you got there. Are you sure you need more CPU power than a P8700 though?

 

Probably not, but the little boy in me would love to have bragging rights. Ahem.

My 3-month-old previous computer had a P8700 with a 9800m G(T)S card, so I'm thinking if I went balls-out on the GPU (well, semi-balls out, since it's not SLI, Crossfire, ATI 4870, or GeForce 280m) I might well improve the processor as well.

I'm fairly experienced with undervolting, so TDP and heat can be tailored to fit my needs.

 

I wish I would have understood those X9100s could overclock higher. Gosh darn T9800.....I like the low power of the P9700, but a X9100 FTW would be awesome. Just don't get an ES, although that other guy, Sentry2, is successfully using a ES.

 

I got a stable t9900 OC at 3.6ghz

 

WHAT!? crap....what the heck is wrong with my T9800?!

 

Every CPU is different. Some OC well, some don't. Be glad with what you have.

 

Exactly my Qx9300 isn't doing amazing... 2.9 is my max as of right now

 

P9700 FTW !!!! Be green man !!! Save the planet and the small cute animals ;-)

 

It has been said that through the use of undervolting the difference in power consumption between Txxxx and Pxxxx is non existent.

Whether this is really true I don't know. It could be I think.

 

It's almost true.

 

P9700 is 28 TDP isn't it? Not much difference anyway.

 

It is 28W TDP.

 

I don't know. I'm leaning more towards either the P9700 or the X9100. The OEM T9900s I'm finding are more expensive than either one of those. And the thing with the X9100 is that it ships from China. Anyone get something from a seller all the way over there? I'm worried that I might get a DOA, and then I have to go through the hassle and waiting with getting a new one.

Well, at least yours is working. I haven't been so lucky.

Goes without saying. I'm sticking with OEM, man.

 

I wish I had your kind of money

 

I got a processor from somewhere in china last year, it worked out well

 

I decided on the X9100, which was $442 with shipping and insurance.

I wish I had a girlfriend.

 

I got the X9100 for my 7805. My 3Dmark Score went from 9906-12006. Ive noticed up to +15FPS is some games as well.

 

+2100 pts in 3dmarks by just changing the processor. Is that even possible ?????

 

Well, on this review the poster gained about 600 points just from overclocking from 2.0 to 2.255.

Imagine if you have a higher base clock and a larger L2 Cache. And higher multipliers.

 

What is the problem with cpu from china ? I am new in laptop world and I plain to buy a ES Q9200.what the différence from ES and OEM ?

 

I went from a T5800 to a P9600 and only gained 400 points in 3dmarks...

I guess the upgrade effect is proportionnal to your graphic gpu power (GTX 260M on those cases.)

 

ES means engineering sample, which are older chips Intel sent to engineers to test out. ES chips have been used and abused, and because they're older and less stable than the widely-released OEM versions, they might have stability issues or might be missing things, like temperature sensors.

 

great way to hijack a thread :|

 

It's relevant, since reliability is one of the factors I was using to decide.

Speaking of which, there is no problem at all. I paid late on July 26, received it in the afternoon of July 28.

And the X9100 works like a charm.

 

If I were you I would go with X9100.

 

I beg to differ. It is true that the general consensus of ES CPU's are what you say they are. However, it is still entirely dependant on the individual chip, what generation it is from, and which revisional stage it is from. Also, historically Intel has produced ES chips to be of higher quality compared to the OEM as system builders need to be able to evaluate the chip properly without the effects of manufacturing defects. The OEM chips are then mass produced at the same quality or lower at their appropriate price. ES chips are also used and abused as much as the OEM from stability testing at Intel. But the ES chips that come from China are tested rigorously by the seller before it is sold. I would hardly call that "used and abused." The seller is just making sure that the chip is good to go before it is sold. From this, I see an added benefit as not only is it given the green light by Intel, but also by another person in a controlled test. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Even if they are used and abused as you say they are, CPU's have a very long lifespan of about half my age as long as they are kept within their rated maximum temperature tolerance. The sellers in China know what they're doing. They know how to handle and test CPU's as much as the next enthusiast.

For the sake of relevance, the current generation of ES chips in the T9xxx, P9xxx, and Q9xxx, is a different story. There are users on this forum that use qualification sample, or QS, chips as they are identical to their final production counterpart. The microcode and stepping are identical to the OEM and bear the same features and the same level of quality and reliability compared to the OEM. Technically they are still ES chips, but Intel has not made any changes to the QS when submitting the design to the plant to manufacture, so they are essentially no different than the OEM, other than the system reporting the ES spec.

Yes, there are some ES chips with missing features such as temperature sensors, virtualization, and IDA, etc. However those are from very early revisions of the chip and should be common sense for any user to not "acquire" one of those and rather just get the final ES, QS, or straight OEM. But why do some people buy the chips with missing features? Because they don't do their homework and read up on what they are buying, and that they want to cut corners and save money. It's as simple as that.

Aside from the features, until someone can prove that the current generation ES chips have any stability issues within or outside factory clocks and voltages compared to the factory OEM, your premise regarding stability is invalid.

 

Calm down everyone, and stay on topic. There's no need for any of the bickering

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Well, the common consensus I have seen on these forums concerning OEM vs ES is that it's always better to buy the OEM unless it's a ridiculous pricing difference.

You seem to know more than the other people here, so I'll leave the ES usage to you. I'll stick with what the majority--who may or may not be wrong--and stay away from ES models.

 

I've dealt with a handful of ES CPU's, but for legality purposes I won't give certain details. I've had ES PIII's that can crank 1.1GHz without breaking a sweat, and ES P4's that couldn't hold a mild overclock. Hell, I even upgraded my woman's MSI from a P8400 to an ES E0 X9100 and it's playing all her games just fine. Thankfully I didn't have to pay for the CPU; her parents are loaded. Almost all my LAN regulars have ES CPU's in their rigs from E8400's to Q9650's. Some of them pushed their CPU's a good 20-30% on air cooling and are still chugging along error free on IntelBurnTest. If you told one of them to get an OEM over an ES, they would probably tell you to take off your sunglasses and listen to the bigger cowbell.

Yes, saving money is essentially the only reason why people buy ES chips over the OEM. Some may be identical to the OEM, some may be a testbed. If you want to want to throw "argumentum ad populum" at me, then you're just agreeing with a premise that doesn't have a valid argument. I wouldn't hastily say "stay away from all ES chips," rather you must be aware of each individual ES chip that you encounter. That way, you can cator to let's say another user's question regarding whether this ES chip is okay to purchase over the OEM considering the price that it is selling for.

Off topic: We need to get a game going, Forge. Do you live in the peninsula?

 

East of you, friend.

Like I said, I'll leave ES to you. I don't know enough about processors in general--or at all--to make an educated decision. Besides, if the prices were (somehow magically) the same, you'd go for an OEM over an ES, yes?

I'll buy into the opinion that seems the safest.

 

Albeit as unrealistic as that question is, yes I would go OEM. However, if the ES was say $300 for the final revision and the OEM was $150 or more, I would go for the ES. But that's up for my wallet to decide, and my wallet likes being fat. Fortunately for me, I picked up my OEM QX9300 for $380 shipped domestic and I am yet to see anyone else on this forum or outside beat my snipe.

 

Well, that certainly trumps my $440 for an SLB5J. Oh well.

I'd be happier if the damned thing worked.

 

Is your QX9300 compatible with your system BIOS?

 

The laptop is an Asus G51vx, this particular one a Best Buy model. The resellers are putting out a higher-end model that comes standard with a Q9000 quad.

A rep has been helping me. He has a G51vx (reseller variant) with a QX9300 installed. He gave me his BIOS, which I flashed. After that... it still didn't work.

 

Okay, here's my prognosis. Your QX9300 is either zapped, or the motherboard itself cannot accept quads. But in the meantime, I would wait for another updated BIOS. The G51 is still a new system and I have a feeling that it might just be the BIOS that needs to be updated. But you never know, the Best Buy models could be different from redistributor models.

You can get a lot more coverage on this if you ask about this specific issue in a new thread in the Asus forum. They know their way around the G51 more than I do.

 

I have. In fact, I think my dilemma is well known over there. In any case, Ken Lee is going to test out the QX9300 for me, and see what's up with that.

Concerning the BIOS, the BIOS was actually ripped from a machine that is mounting a QX9300, so the BIOS isn't the issue. It's either a screwed processor or mobo incompatibility.

 

It seems so. Either your motherboard can't take quads on the hardware level, or your CPU is fried.

If you are willing to drive over to San Francisco, I can test out your QX9300 for you in my laptop to rule out the possibility that your CPU could be dead.

 

I ran into a really really weird issue when I tried to install a QX9200 in my Asus N81vg. Was your problem any similar to this?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=395954

 

Thanks for the offer, but GenTech is already giving it a lookover.