Q1 Penryn question

Do the Penryn processors that are coming in Q1 2008 consume 35w of power or 29w? Some places say the Nehalem Penryn's will consume 25w.

 

It's the first one, youll see it

 

I am also confused about the difference between Nehalem and Montevina. Nehalem is the new platform coming next year that will use Penryn and replace Santa Rosa, so what is Montevina if it also uses 45nm chips?

 

It doesn't say how many watts of power the Q1 Penryn's will consume. I would guess 35w since they are just shrinking the Santa Rosa's.

 

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It looks like Nehalem is the next CPU revision after Penryn:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/11/intel_centrino_roadmap/

Montevina is the chipset/platform that will succeed Santa Rosa.

So, before we had Napa/Yonah and then Napa/Merom. The current stuff is Santa Rosa/Merom. Assuming Intel keeps staggering the CPU and platform updates... then next is Santa Rosa/Penryn, then Montevina/Penryn, then Montevina/Nehalem. At least that's how I understand it.

 

Penryn (Wofldale for desktop)is just a die shrink of merom with some significant changes (new material, new power level states, sse4 instructions) but the basic architecture is the game.

Kentsfield- is the penryn equivalent of the the conroe meaning 45 nm shrink quad core processor.

Nehalem is a completely new architecture which is somewhat similar to the jump in architecture from the single core to the dual core was. Its radically different. This is gonna be a beast of a processor.

Montevina I believe is just the mobile expansion to to penryn like santa rosa was not big differences but a new chipset and new wi-fi and some other minor-to moderate changes.

 

Nehalem's gonna kick ass

 

Okay. Thanks! Can't wait till next summer! Single Core Inspiron 9100 with a 2.8GHz Pentium 4 to a Dual Core 2.13GHz Nehalem (have to get cheapest so I can buy an SSD drive ) will be AWESOME!

 

I'm so confused now...lol...

And so when exactly is Q1? Jan-Mar?

 

Yes, exactly right.

 

Nehalem will be towards 2008 end

 

Um dude I serious doubt you will be getting a comp like that in Q1 next year.

The Penryn processors get released in Q1 next year. Then the Monteniva platform in Q2 and the Nehalem processors won;t be scheduled until after that so at teh earliest Q3 next year but from what ive read probably not until Q4 2008 which is over a year away. So i wouldn't be waiting for that if I were you.

Also when do you think Nvidia will be releasing a 9XXX series for notebooks. It isn't looking like they will be releasing any GeForce 9 stuff until the start of next year at the earliest, and even if they do instead of releasing a 8900GTX or Ultra which is far more likely. Then It will only be a 9800GTX for desktops being released and then probably 6 months before any other 9 series comes out and maybe even longer for the line to filter into laptops. So I'd say you would be waiting at least a year to get a 9400GS as well :s.

 

Oh, I was still confused. I will wait for Montevina so I can get the 2.13GHz processor that only uses 25w. I think Nvida's 9XXX series will come with Montevina.

Found out what Nehalem is. It is the code name for 45nm microarchitecture: http://www.intel.com/technology/arc....htm?iid=technology_next-gen+body_description

 

Why wait for Montevina and not for Nehalem ? Nehalem will be a significant jump in technology, and will only be 6 months or so away from Montevina.

Yes, I know something better is always around the corner, but Nehalem is a significant jump (like Pentium M to core duo)

 

Yeah you can't let the waiting game trap you with computer hardware becasue there will always be that but if i just wait a bit longer this will come out. And you will never end up getting anything.

Just have to get the best you can afford at teh time you need something new and when its not serving its purpose anymore get another thing.

 

I repeat, Nehalem is a big enough jump to wait for.
Its not like Core Duo to C2d or the santa rosa refresh.

Would you not say Pentium M -> Core duo was worth waiting a year for ?

 

Okay, I got it. Montevina is the new "Santa Rosa" with Penryn being the star of the platform. Then is the second half of 2008 Nehalem will be introduced with brand new 45nm processors on a new platform, like when Core 2 Duo was introduced.

Everything was explained clearly here: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3086_7-6715793-6.html?tag=arw

I had already read that article but rereading it cleared my confusion.

 

Yes, Nehalem will have brand new processors, and the architecture will change significantly from FSB to integrated memory controllers.
I believe it will also have DDR3 memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)

 

Actuically I wouldn't say the wait from pentium M to core duo was not woth it.

The Pentuim M was awesome it had no compeditor on the market when it was released not even desktop processors stood a chance against it. Core Duo was pathetic basically no gain at all in single threaded apps & the number of people using multithreaded apps is very small. This is why untill recently my neary 3 year old dell had people going WTF how did you get vista running so fast. I'm still yet to see any laptop have a decent gain in perfomace over it except in games but thats graphics card not CPU.

Even my Core 2 Quad running at 3.2 Ghz doesn;t perfom much better in normal usage. Only loads Vista slightly faster and its on raid 0 raptor drives. And in doing normal stuff no gain at all. The only time it is definitaly supreior to my laptop when im encoding movies or doing CAD work

 

Architecturally, Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo was a much bigger jump than Pentium M -> Core Duo.

Core was just an update to Pentium M, with the Duo version putting two of the cores on a chip. Core 2 was a complete redesign from scratch. Of course, the bigger difference for end users was putting more cores on the chip, not the architectural changes.

So I'd say Penryn -> Nehalem will be very much like Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo. In fact, Nehalem will probably be called Core 3... Quad by then I guess.

 

Wont it be a bigger change than that ? FSB improvements, integrated memory contoller, DDR3 ram ... ??

 

Remember, Core 2 brought 64-bit to Intel notebook processors.

There have been FSB improvements with pretty much every generation of the chipsets, and the processors have supported those higher FSBs as well. But you need to wait for the new chipset before utilizing a processor's higher FSB. For example, when Penryn comes out, you won't be able to get the higher FSB until the Montevina chipset comes out.

As far as the integrated memory controller, I'm somewhat ignorant on that subject. I'm sure it's nice, but I don't know anything about it.

 

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31408/135/

Apparently, it makes sense to introduce an IMC with the Nehalem core, which will replace Core-based products starting in the second half of 2008. 45 nm Nehalem processors will arrive with up to eight cores and will include a “highly integrated” memory controller, referred to as “Nehalem system interconnect,” that aims to “deliver industry leading performance and capability for its targeted market segments,” Intel said. Basically, the technology (previously also known as Common System Interface or short “CSI” represents a point-to-point serial bus, which removes a bandwidth bottleneck that has been building up in the front side bus over the past years.

 

Other reasons to wait for Nehalem:

Bluetooth 3.0 should be available
Nvidia 9XXX series might be available
Draft N wireless with be close to being final
More notebooks might have LED screens
Vista SP1 might be available
Widely available cheap SSD drives (hopefully)
Robson might actually be useful (version 2.0)

 

Nehalem will be introduced on the Montevina platform, not another new one

 

Glad to get you on the Nehalem bandwagon, its gonna be a sweet wait

 

Nehalem is the new processor microarchitecture that's replacing Core 2. It's not a platform that's replacing Santa Rosa. They'll have a new design of the processor (the biggest change in microarchitectures since the Pentium Pro in 1995), the Front Side Bus will be replaced by the Common System Interface (expected to run at 6.4GT/s (about 3 times faster than AMD's fastest HyperTransport), and Nehalem chips will have Integrated Memory Controllers. Basically a completely new chip.

Core 2 was a new design, but it took most of its over all design from the sweet spots of Netburst and Pentium M. Nehalem, as mentioned, will be the biggest change in processors at Intel since 1995.

As for Montevina, it's the next Centrino platform of components, such as Penryn mobile, WiMax, and other such goodies.

Front Side Bus improvements, not replacements.

That's what CSI is. A completely new design that leaves the Front Side Bus' bandwidth bottleneck in the dust. The chipsets will have to be updated with the launch of the chip, since it's a new socket, not simply a bump in speed.

That will be one of the biggest sweet spots in Nehalem, and will allow to Intel's multi-core line up to shine like never before. Core 2 kicks butt, but the FSB is what limits its core design from preforming as it should.

 

haha
Bluetooth 3.0 with put some fire on the War between bluetooth and the new technology Ultrawide-band (Wireless USB). This is for sure worth waiting for, just like the war between Blue -ray vs HD DVD. BTW, there will be more laptops offer either an Blue-ray drive or HD DVD drive

but since people keep talking about Intel so much, what about AMD in 2008 ??? The IMC was acctualy introduced by AMD in it's athlon/Opteron processors

2008 is worth waiting for

 

Probably go bankrupt???

 

Wouldn't surprise me. AMD won't even have 45nm processors in production until the second quarter of 2008, the last I heard.

Whilst Intel will begin shipping them this November, more than half a year ahead of AMD's projected start date for production.

 

I really understand it now:

Q1 Penryn (Core 2 Duo shrink)

Q2 Montevina (45nm processors that use 25w, replaces Santa Rosa)

Q3 Nehalem (replaces Core architecture, brings the goodies )

 

Yeah intel is ready to deliver the knockout punches to amd. They will be pumping out processors these next 2 years almost as fast bunnies procreate.

 

2009- Westmere 32nm Die shrink of Nehalem

2010- Sandy Bridge, successor to Nehalem

 

No, Montevina is a platform of components, not a processor.

Montevina will use Penryn processors that are expected to have a 29 TDP.

Correct.

2011 - Expected time for Sandy Bridge 22nm shrink, but that's unconfirmed at this time and only based of Intel's 'tick-tock' strategy.

 

lol this guy seems to have some issues with how a computer goes together :s.

So Penryn is a die shrink to 45nm processors.

Montevina does replace santa rosa and uses penryn processors (think of santa rosa and Montevina as teh motherboard it might help)

And Nehalem is a total redesign of the core archetecture

 

I understand, see post #31.

 

except that you said Montevina is 45nm pricessors. Which although is true becasue it will use penryn processors (which are 45nm) has nothing to do with the chipset or what Montevina is.

Montevina is the combination of a Penryn processor soem kind of Intel certified wireless probably 802.11n, Whatever they want to call the newer intel chipset(northbridge) + maybe some other things. Its an entire platform just like santa rosa is.

 

Some Montevina stuff:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/11/intel_centrino_roadmap/
http://notebookreview.info/intel-montevina/2007/03/18/
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4139