Replaced HDD, now DVD drive doesn't work!

Hello,
I just bought a 160GB (PATA) Samsung hard drive to replace the 60GB Fujitsu in my Sonoma-based notebook. The new drive works fine, however my optical drive (Matshiita DVD-RAM UJ-840s) doesn't work. It won't show up in BIOS. If I switch back to the original FDD, the optical drive appears in BIOS again.

I've checked jumpers - the Samsung HDD is set as a master, just like the Fujitsu.

Without any HDD in, the computer happily recognises the optical drive. It seems there's something about the new Samsung drive that causes the optical drive to not work. But I'm all out of ideas

 

You are not alone. We have encountered this problem twice in the last week with SSD installations, exactly as such, with no rhyme or reasoning. It is discussed in the last few pages of the SSD thread below.

Can I ask what your system specifications are?

 

First check with the original HDD which device is on which channel of the IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers (in Device Manager), and whether master or slave. Then see if the new HDD uses the same setting.

Normally HDDs have no jumpers and become master by default, but this is not a problem if the HDD and the ODD use separate channels.

John

 

Sounds like I've come to the right place!

My laptop is a 2-year old Benq S72, a lovely machine that hasn't given me any problems in the whole time I've had it. I don't think they're available outside the Asia-pacific region (I'm in Australia).

It's a 1.7GHz Dothan CPU with 915pm chipset and the ATA controller is a 82801FB/FBM 266A. I think it's a pretty standard Sonoma platform circa late 2005.

I just checked, the Fujitsu drive is sharing the primary IDE channel with the Matshiita optical. There's nothing on the secondary IDE. This is according to the device manager "View devices by connection".
How do I check whether the devices are master or slave?

One other note: the ODD doesn't appear to have any jumpers.

 

No, the discussion starts on post #28 of the SSD New SSD Thread.

 

Scratches head.....

It does look like a master / slave conflict since you have only one IDE channel. The majority of notebooks use two IDE channels which avoids this possible problem.

The device with a current transfer rate of Ultra DMA 5 (probably, might be 4) is the HDD and that with Ultra DMA 2 (possibly PIO) is the optical drive. Normally the optical drive is slave.

Does either HDD have any jumpers on the 4 pins at one side of the connector? Normally they have no jumpers on these pins and default to master. Optical drive master /slave setting is programmed in the firmware so it is easier to add / remove the jumper on the HDD (provided you can find one the right size).

John

PS: The master / slave setting for Samsung HDDs is here.

 

It certainly looks like my Fujitsu is master and ODD is slave on the primary IDE channel. There's no jumper present on the Fujitsu, making it a master. I also don't have a jumper on the Samsung, making it a master. So there really should be no difference between the drives.

If I set a HDD to slave, it doesn't show up in BIOS, but the ODD still does. If I set the HDD to cable select, it's exactly the same as when it's set to master. This applies to the old Fujitsu as well as the new Samsung.

 

I was thinking to run Samsung's Hutil program, but it probably boots from the optical drive.

You could look for alternative firmware for the optical drive which might change its setting. Those Matsh!ta burners can be a bit temperamental. The expensive work-around would be to replace the ODD with a new one which is pre-fixed to be slave.

John

 

I had this problem and it was resolved by this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=209354&highlight=mikelets456

 

That issue sounds like it was a Windows/software thing. In my case it appears to be a hardware/BIOS problem since the ODD isn't detected at all.

 

Mine was not detected in the bios, boot or by the OS....try installing that file.

 

Hmm , what an odd problem. good luck lol , I cant think of way to fix that.

 

Hmm, I tried that CDgone reg file, but it didn't make a difference. My ODD still doesn't appear in BIOS or anything.

Device manager shows the new Samsung drive as connected to the primary IDE channel, with DMA mode 5, and no slave attached to that channel. Again, nothing is connected to the secondary IDE channel (not sure if I even have one).

Any other ideas?

 

Did you check in the bios if it has resource assigned.

 

It might be worthwhile resetting the BIOS, if there is an option.

John

 

Okay I'll give that a go.

My laptop's BIOS really doesn't have any features at all - the only thing I can do is set the time and the boot order. I've seen quite a few laptops with a cut-down BIOS like that, and it makes me wonder if there's a hidden menu with more options.

 

Ok, you said that it works with your old hard drive....right? Here's something to try. Get a SATA 2.5" HD enclosure (i assume you have SATA and not PATA) and then download a free trial of "Acronis". Put your original HD back in the laptop. Install Acronis and open the program. Connect your new HD via USB (in the external enclosure) and hit "clone drive" then follow the instructions. After completing, swap drives and see if that works. If so, great, now use your old drive as an external to back up everything....if it does not work, then you may have a corrupt drive or something conflicting in resource assignment. You can get an external enclosure for about $10 on Newegg or about $15 at CompUsa....if you can find one. Or get it at Best Buy and if all fails, simply return it.

 

The first line of this thread says it is a PATA HDD.

Anyway, my understanding is that the new HDD works fine but the computer can't see the optical drive. I suspect there is a subtle difference in how the old and new HDDs handle the master / slave / cable select business.

John

 

I know on all the 3.5" HD and desktop optical drives they have jumpers for master/slave....do they have them on 2.5" drives? I never noticed.

Also, if he checks the boot order and it shows the optical drive.....why would the original HD work? Now I am curious. I think it's a faulty HD or it's messing with the BIOS somehow going from 60 to 160 GB. I know my older Compaq would not handle the 100 GB jump in the bios.

Anyway, I assume you tried removing the optical drive, boot up (without it), shut down, install the optical drive then reboot?

Sorry I missed the "Pata" in the beginning.....thanks for pointing that out.

 

Sounds to me that you have these jumpers set incorrectly perhaps on "Cable select" which is why your optical drive is not connecting and the BIOS nor the operating system will detect it properly.



On PATA drives there is four pins located on the right side of the 80pin PATA connector, all the way on the right in the picture. The outer 2 pins when connected by a jumper would indicated the drive as "Device 1: Slave", the inner pins would be "Device 0: Master" and if you have the jumpers off, it would be defaultly "cable select".


--crude diagram--
____________PATA___________ _J_
[: : : : : : : : : : : ' : : : : : : : : : : :] [: :]

J = Jumper positions
[:]: - Device 0
:[:] - Device 1
: : - Cable Select

The optical drive has a firmware activated jumper setting, and it is usually defaultly set as Device 1, however some manufacturers flash the firmware as Device 0: master instead for reasons unknown.

 

Hi guys, thanks for your help

I've got a PATA external enclosure, and I had already cloned my original drive on to the new drive (using xxclone). So I can swap back-and-forth between my drives and they look and behave exactly the same, the only difference being there's no ODD when I have the new HDD installed.

It really does sound like it's a jumper issue doesn't it? But I've got both HDDs set as masters (no jumper - both drives use the same pin mapping for jumpers). If I put either of them on cable select, it makes no difference, and if I put either of them on slave, the HDD isn't recognised (though it still sees the ODD, even when using the new drive).

That theory makes sense, but unfortunately, because I can't do anything to the ODD, I still can't see a solution. I only have three options on the HDD (slave/master/CS) and I've tried them all, and there aren't any options in BIOS.
Notebook BIOSes don't have a secret menu do they?

 

Are you updated to the latest bios? Had to ask....Can you wipe the hd AND RETURN IT or swap it out?

 

Any chance you could find another optical drive (not Matsh!ta)? Check the specs but I expect it to be a standard 1/2" (12.7mm) thick notebook drive. They are normally held in by one or two screws and the fascias are inter-changeable.

John

 

Yeah I tried the Optiron ODD from my girlfriend's laptop. It behaved the same as my Matsh!ta. Unfortunately her laptop is SATA so I can't try her HDD, so I really don't have much to play with.
I'm using the latest BIOS - I had been before I started this.

I might have to take back the HDD
I guess the question is, do I try and swap it for another in the hopes that the problem might be something specific for Samsung drives, or 160gb drives?

 

I just had another thought - if I could somehow change my optical drive to be a master, then I could use jumpers to change the Samsung HDD to a slave... would that work? What if there's something about this hardware configuration that doesn't like having the ODD as slave to the samsung? It's a bit of a long shot I guess. And I wouldn't know how to change the ODD into a master.

 

Hi all. I have exactly the same problem! Did any one find a solution to this issue?
Zouden did you find a different hdd fixed things?
Any luck with secret bios options?

My notebook is a Gericom Supersonic PCI-E KN1 (Data sheet attached)
My original HDD was also a Fujitsu (MHT2060AT 40GB) and my ODD is also a Mat****auj (831D DVD R/RW) I also have one IDE channel.
The ODD is definitly firmware jumpered to Primary Slave.
The Bios is as up to date as possible.
The replacement HDD was a WD800BEVE (scorpio 80GB)

All symptoms are identical to Zoudens. ie No ODD detection in bios with the new HDD.

The only know isuses with this notebook at the moment are a slightly dodgey power input. Though this happens with a fully charged battery pluged in or not.

Any thoughts guys. I can't describe how frustrating this is.

Thanks in advance.

 

I have not read the posts in this thread yet, but it seems that the problem is related to the master/slave of each drive. If the harddrive and cd drive are both set to master, the harddrive will show but the optical drive will not. This is because the harddrive is on the primary ide port and the optical drive is on the secondary.
Are there any jumper pins on either the ata harddrive or the optical drive.
Their should be a jumper on one of them. This will allow you to set one drive to eityher master/slave/cable select. By changing the jumper you will be able to get the optical drive and harddrive to both be recognized. However you will have to try all three possibilities because you do not know what the other drive is set as.

K-TRON

 

Hey thanks for the quick reply K-TRON.

I've been through all of the jumper options.

I was wondering if it could be UDMA issue. Les was saying that the some of the SSD guys had the same problem.

I'm very interested to know if there are any advanced options in the bios that can be unlocked? I'm using a Phoenix bios Q3a29.

 

K_tron is on the money..

contact the CD drive manufacturer for a FLASH to change the CD DRIVE to the SLAVE setting...

that should solve your problem.. or i know where you can get a drive already flashed to slave settings

PM me

 

The ODD is flashed to PS. When there is no HDD installed. It defaults to IDE1 (PS)

Thanks for your thoughts.