Retina Display - when will they come to PCs?

Not just texts there are several API's in Windows that will scale various graphics to unlimited resolutions.

For example in this webpage, the graphical boxes surrounding the text box. The buttons, etc. All work through an API which create them to the required size. I forgot the exactly word for this types of graphics. Vertex? I forget.

Also other things like some menus, etc.

 

Thank you. Embarrassing I didn't get very close.

 

Scalable fonts basically. I'd like to see the screens myself though. But I don't think those super high resolutions are necessary, just a quality 1920x1200 is all I'm asking.

 

Actually the point of higher resolutions is to fit more on the screen. Running a useful high resolution and scaling so "text is clear" is a waste for users like me. Hence why I laughed after I used an ipad 3 after praising it at first. I was expecting a useful screen and workspace but was very disappointing when I saw it in real time.

The "retina" macbook is great in the fact that it scales to a 1900x1200 use which is great and all, but not truly using the full 2880x1800. So wasted potential unless you want a non crApple approved workaround. Also having played with the new MBP with "retina display" I see nothing special compared to my precision...

Yep. I have never had sharpness issues under windows. The idea of raising PPI and scaling back to look and function like a lower resolution in order to "sharpen" the display is a waste in my eyes.

Well I for one would like a higher then WUXGA in my 15in workstation, but WUXGA was great and VERY much missed. WHen I work on my server I cry on the inside when I go to my much more powerful workstation thats running FHD+. The pinch hurts me on a daily basis...

 

This argument is specious. You keep mentioning smaller font sizes but that is not happening on the Mac. Apple didn't give you 2880x1800 to give more screen real estate than 1920x1200. Who is claiming that they did? They did it to make fonts and icons and graphics sharper. That is all. See Anand's Review. Windows might render the fonts sharper for the same resolution but software can't overcome MBP's higher resolution. Things look great on a 1080p 15" laptop (I have one) but the MBP just looks superior for elements that support the 1800p display. If there is a 1200p 15" out there, we can compare that too.

For those like Sphinx who saw the MBP and don't care about sharper than 1080p fonts and icons, okay that's fair. Some people think it's important, some people don't. But what's not rational is to claim it doesn't look any different than 1080p. How can you argue that?

 

I can argue that cause I used one for quite a while in the crApple store and while it was a sharp image and felt a bit more spacious then my FHD+ precision the quality didnt seem any better then the screen on my precision. The only thing it offers over my precision is 10% extra space. But thats beside the point, they have a 2880x1800 screen and if I owned one you bet Id be upset it was only as functional as a WUXGA...

 

Except there isn't an issue with text on a 720p, 1080p, or 4k res screens unless your on OSX.
And we did see a difference in the Iphone 4's work space, that was one of the big factors in the display being such a better upgrade from other phones.
The upgrade on the Iphone's retina display was done to increase the work space and utilize content that was was already available on higher resolution than the resolutions output by most cellphones.

Where is that content on the web? There isn't any.
The difference is there but very much marginal. Specially when you use cleartype on Windows, and when I compared my M4600 to the MBP+R I saw such a marginal difference it didn't really bother me.

You cannot hide a poor implementation of a high res screen by cherry picking arguments. The Macbook pro is a product, and we the consumers can very very well see the product, and compare it anyway we see fit. I don't have to be tied to any manufacturer's claims and points.

PS:

I guess they forgot to mention if you really look at your picture@ 2880x1800 res, with 1:1 pixel scaling. You wouldn't be able to see the clear details.
I know I took several 4k res pictures I took with my DSLR. Sorry but the res is not helping any with the picture taking unless I zoomed in over the picture. Which I can do on any other screen.

 

Words like "better" and "poor" are qualitative opinions and are based on what one considers important so those just go round and round. So I've tried to mostly state the facts. Saying the it sharper than any laptop for retina ready software is a fact. It's also a fact that it has some of the highest contrast ratio of laptop screens. But it is only middle of the pack in color gamut. So the MBP doesn't win in every category.

Forget marketing. Anyone who really wants to know what the MBP screen is like can read this very site's gushing review and even talks about issues such as Chrome. Anandtech's review is also good. It doesn't seem like diminishing returns by their description. They were both stunned by the display but also use technical facts to back their claims.

 

Those reviews are some of the the most technical you can find on the net. And based on the history of those sites, they are honest and use facts to back their claims. If the MBP screen has any weaknesses, they will mention it. So any reader can read the review and decide based on the technical aspects if the MBP is right for them.

Other than using the MBP for yourself which you should do, how else can we frame the discussion of the screen except for mentioning the reviews? Oh, and if there are better competitors to the MBP screen, well then email the reviewers to let them know. One of them is right on this site.

Edit: Also, while reviews are opinions, we can say that the aggregate is a consensus. I have yet to find one reviewer that hasn't been anything but amazed by the screen. Not "oh it's decent", but amazed.

 

That's grasping on straws. I'm referring to paid professional reviews who need to keep a reputation and have to look at the screen in depth. If any product was praised by professional reviewers 100% of the time and a few anonymous forum posters who appear to dislike "Crapple" said "meh", who do you think would be on the public's radar? Come on, you know how the world works. Given that every single professional reviewer (as I've found so far) said the screen was stunning in comparison, that says something about the screen that puts it on rarefied atmosphere among products. Yeah, you might make some snarky comment on the professional reviews industry and it's a common fallback argument when a product review doesn't go a person's way but we all know if 100% of professional reviews praise or pan a product, it makes a strong statement about that product. It's not the only data point, but it is a strong data point.

 

and here we run into a problem, a huge number of reviewers are used to Apples previous models ( whom for the price point have mediocre screens ) and most consumer models. and yes compared to both the retina display is stunning comparatively.

For those of us whom work in the pro industry and are used to fully calibrated high end screens for color matching output the retina display to US IS mediocre. I picked up a MBP-r just to get my own feel for it etc and I had to agree with multiple users here that except for resolution in some applications the screen is not so great and color variances due to temperatures swing way too much. it is a great screen for consumers and light pro work. for real work stay with the AUO screen in the w520/530 and the Precisioncolor/Dreamcolor IPS screens in HP and Dell workstations.

 

also i have seen many professionals recommend stuff that is idiotic. PC Mag can be particularly stupid. Professionsals tend to be out of touch when it comes to market prices and what is of a good value. Also fir "professionals" they have shotty reviews. notebookcheck, and tftcentral, and photography blog are the 3 places that have legit reviews and are actually thorough and consistent. None of them are even "professionals". Personally, I find tech target reviews about useless. They are so vague and subjective it is sad. They dont have anything that stands out. Professional reviews mean nothing to me

 

Huge PC fan here, over 40 personal laptops since the very first portable SX-64. Over 1200 PC builds. 7 tablets in the house, etc.......

However I am now looking for a new laptop, gee, surprise.

'So far' the PC offerings should be ashamed of themselves for the crap that now exist. IPS displays that cannot distinguish red from orange. Shoddy build quality, etc.... What happened to the real quality laptops that existed just a few years ago????

I do a lot of HD video from my D800E and Canon 5DMII (sold but still have videos to edit), and of course photos.

I recently went to BB just to browse some of what is available. Granted no Envy or Elitebook was present but then those are problematic anyhow.

Not a single PC laptop impressed, not a single one.

Went over to the Apple table and was just absolutely impressed with the MBP with 'Retina' display. Plugged in my USB stick with 1920x1080 video and some high res photos. WOW. To be able to view and edit a full 1920 video without scaling down was impressive. The video was incredible and far far far batter than any monitor or laptop or PC I have used them on prior.

I am not a fan of Apple or their pansy court tactics, prefer my Prime over the iPAD, and would not buy the MBP due to the hard drive compatibility, soldered memory, and glued on battery, but that display was very impressive.

I certainly give Apple props on that display and wait for a PC maker to step up and produce a real laptop for the PC users.

 

what IPS screen has bad colors? you are making ridiculous claims and statements

 

Apple has nothing to do with retina displays first off. They are made by LG, designed, engineered, and developed. Apple does nothing, just a pure marketing machine.
- And it's not even a good one since the eye can still see the pixels in these panels, that Apple likes to refer to as retina.
- And I really don't care since the actual space available, use is only 1440x900.
- Oh and if you are actually serious about having a great display for professional work, I'd really hope you're doing that work on a display that's bigger than 15", rofl, the apple commercials trying to sell it as a Pro tool for photographers is just a joke right now. As if they have any doubt that the main consumer they are targeting are the college students who are too poor to pay for college and yet demand their parents to buy them a MacBook Pro to be cool.

As for when these displays will come to PC? Whenever people demand them. Right now IPS and other tech is good enough and considering HP's DreamColor is still the BEST IPS display available, I don't see why they would want a retina that has less colors than the DreamColor. If I was a Pro, I'd be a lot more concerned about contrast and color accuracy than pixels most people would never notice.

 

hula, have to agree - apple and 'pro' do not belong in a single sentence together.

 

Not all IPS panels are created equal.

Some are pretty bad, no better than some TN panels.

 

My X220 IPS has really crappy reds. Others have confirmed this with measurements on their own units. Still a nice screen, though.

 

shrugs i know many good ones..there are a few crappy ones but that is what you get for buying cheap like AOC...not bad for like 200 bucks but yea. My only problem with current IPSs being built is the stupid 6 bit screens...that is what i think is dumb. Just like my 2412 :/

 

Only problem is, AOU can't make IPS displays. You have to buy a license from Hitachi to manufacture IPS. LG is the current largest manufacturer of IPS.

But that also means, surprisingly, AOU's 6Bit TN panels come very close or better than many 8Bit IPS displays available for laptops. HP's DreamColor is still the best panel I think for mobile, not the retina, one of the few true 10bit panels.

Samsung should be releasing their new display hopefully soon. They developed a panel that has even better contrast/color and viewing angles than a IPS display.

Oh and the highest contrast panel right now is an AOU. But it's only available on TV LCD, I have not read of any plans to bring it to laptops yet.

 

Dreamcolor 2 is the best IPS panel available in notebooks (consumer or business).
It's a true 10 bit panel, an upgrade compared to it's predecessor the Dreamcolor 1 which was actually a 8 bit panel interpolated to 10 bit.