Ryzen vs i7 (Mainstream); Threadripper vs i9 (HEDT); X299 vs X399/TRX40; Xeon vs Epyc

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea, because Asus did decide to create the Stryx laptops using Ryzen 1600 and 1700 (desktop CPU's) which are 65W with desktop RX 580 at 65W too.
AMD doesn't have 10 core TR at the moment. They do have 12 core though...

Depending on efficiency gains with 14nm+ and subsequent 7nm, I think Ryzen 2 could easily deliver TR with 12 cores and 16 cores in laptop space for a lower TDP (probably 65W again and clocked similarly to say Ryzen 1700 on all cores with IPC gains).

Of course, this is just a hypothetical projection based on manuf. process improvements alone. We don't know what kind of architectural revisions AMD will implement in Ryzen 2 (they might result in efficiency gains independent of the manuf. process).
I'm also curious what they do with 14nm+

 

I expect either TR or a similar mobile product to be put in laptops.

They would conquer the HEDT DTR market.

 

@D2 Ultima (For you)+++ all other. Use Google translate http://m.sweclockers.com/nyhet/24258-nvidia-onskar-amd-valkommen-tillbaka-med-ryzen-threadripper

 

The question is can Ryzen be bumped up by another CCX, or Threadripper trimmed by a CCX, and those elements rearranged for an inbetween socket size, or fit into an AM4/AM4+ socket?

Or will a Ryzen CCX die shrink allow it to expand by 2 cores / 4 threads, in the same physical AM4 socket space?

I don't think the ThreadRipper socket is going to fit in a 15.6"/17.3" laptop, it's just too large physically, there isn't room for other parts in that laptop sized space.

Unless Acer decides to make a 21x2, that space could house a ThreadRipper CPU

 

And what with the problem with fast ram for laptops? Will still hamper Ryzen in laptops. Same with fully locked down firmware with awful Oc possibility. Amd ain't a very good choice for laptops. Not now.

 

Get over the OC thing, just because out of the box it's maximum power is only a small tweak away doesn't take away from the fact it's 1/2 the price for 90% of the power.

Besides, how soon people forget that the 2400mhz memory was / is a limit for Skylake / Kabylake Intel laptop CPU's too

 

i actually have 0 experience never had a cpu need to delid yet because didnt have anything past ivy hedt. well mobile cpu are bare die anyway donno if that counts. but i can go from experience that, ivy is like 5-6 yrs old and none of my 3 ivy CPU are dead, still rocking hard.

voiding warranty by deliding will be no problem in the back of my mind, especially im not the one doing the deliding and just purchasing it off silicon lottery.

 

2400MHz memory speed ain't a limit for all Skylake/Kaby laptops

 

crappy mobile dimm 3200mhz vs desktop 4600

 

Speaking of which... 2400 MhZ RAM speed seems to be what Ryzen laptops will be shipped with.
I was wondering if Asus will allow for greater speed RAM off their website, or would we be able to upgrade to faster speed RAM ourselves and improve Ryzen's overall performance (for which we would need... what, 2600 or 3000 MhZ RAM?).
Point being, will the Ryzen laptops from Asus be limited in RAM frequency? Don't think they should be considering that the motherboard will be B350 based.

 

Still a better option than locked down firmware, no overclocking and 2133/2400MHz ram for laptops.

 

The reports I've heard are that there are no overclocking or parameter adjustment tools. So the BIOS would need to recognize XMP profiles or have it's own built in tuning to match unknown memory.

There aren't enough owners reporting in yet, and none with hardware or tuning enthusiast interests.

Someone needs to try it

 

I'd do it, but I'd need to get my hands on that Ryzen laptop first.
They are still not available in UK from Overclockers.
Any idea why?

 

Email them and ask

 

I might just have to go with a GTX 1080 ti instead of Vega. I wanted the Liquid cooled card but the packs will only be for a monitor, I have mine already, or a discount on a Ryzen 7 combo and I want a TR. For just about $699 I can get an air cooled 1080 TI or a bit more for a hybrid cooled. I still have to wait for the proper full coverage AIO coolers so there is time but it is not looking good right now.

 

The packs aren't the only distribution method, you can get single cards too. Maybe the % will be lower initially, but you can get a single card eventually

 

Why not go with a custom CPU water cooler solution? I know you do not plan to OC your CPU, but a custom water cooler is not difficult at all to set up and yearly maintenance isn't bad. Your temps will be much better compared to an AIO cooler. Once you conquer your first custom water cooling setup, it becomes addictive.

As for Vega, I don't think it is going to be as available as some may think. I'm currently building a Ryzen 5 gaming rig for a friend for under $1000 and guess what, the 580's are over 350. I may have to get a 1060 6GB even though I told him the 580 is an amazing 1440p card...but not at its current prices.

 

No, they can't. Single-CCX apparently cannot be used either. Ryzen (that is, socket AM4) is 2 CCX for all chips. Even the 4c/8t 1400/1500X are two 2c/4t enabled, 2c/4t disabled CCX units. 1600/1600X is 3c/6t enabled 1c/2t disabled.

Threadripper can be used with a single Ryzen die, the 1900X is a 1800X on threadripper with filler portions of the die. But it will, as far as I know, still support 60 PCI/e CPU lanes and quad channel memory.

Threadripper socket COULD fit in a 17" laptop, but it's probably going to be single-GPU only which sort of defeats the purpose of it, and only one company will be willing to at least put the steps in place to even kind of properly cool it. Or we'll be having watercooled laptops again from ASUS!

I HAVE heard of an update that maximizes the speed of the infinity fabric and unlinks it from RAM speed, which would be an absolute godsend for Ryzen, but who knows if that will really bear fruit. It is the only way I can think of to properly use Ryzen in notebooks.

I don't think you understand. The vast majority of notebooks do not cross 2666MHz in memory speed. GT73VR won't, @bloodhawk is the only person I've ever seen get 2800MHz to even boot in an AW17 R4, and even then it isn't stable enough to do anything, Razer/Acer/ASUS/Lenovo might as well be ignored in this matter. Unless people shipping Ryzen SIGNIFICANTLY improve the RAM traces and whatnot on their motherboards, we're going to run into the same or worse scenario on Ryzen, which does not handle high speed RAM as well as Kaby Lake/Z270 does by a MILE.

It sucks that 2400-2666 is a limit for Sky/Kaby. And it's still here. Not forgotten.

Considering ASUS is the best for high speed RAM on the intel side of things, and ASUS motherboards don't support high speed RAM on notebooks, don't expect this to happen. Ryzen also stops benefiting much around 3200MHz, which literally only a handful of Clevo notebooks will even boot with, all of which are Prema modded.

Yes, they will be. And if they're not, ASUS deserves severe backlash for not including high speed RAM support on their existing CM238 notebooks.

 

2800Mhz is perfectly stable
3000Mhz not so much.

 

Burn the witch!

Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut

 

I expect you should thanks Dell for this

 

what happens if u disable 7 cores. 1 core use all other core's cache, its DOPE

 

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damn amount of sheer core performance 16c TR makes me wanna buy only $1k with water block such good deal. kinda sad it can only do 4ghz though fk sake

 

People are getting 4.0, some as high as 4.2. You could probably get 4.1-4.2 with a custom loop. If it does like Vega, cooling the VRM for better power delivery will do a lot for changing voltage needs and overclocking.

The only issue here is the latency on the cache to the other CCX 8MB and that it only works with L3 cache.

 

i just cant man. my friend has a 1600 and i helped him OC to 4ghz on 6c and i have used it for a day or two, the snappiness just isnt there, its not much different from ivy-E at like 4.3ghz.

 

Wait, what? The Ryzen 7 1700 (oc'ed to 3.9) build I finished two weeks ago for a client feels as fluid as my 6850k (oc'ed to 4.5Ghz) rig. The Ryzen is on a Asrock X370 and the BWe is on a Asus Rampage V E10.

That's everyday computing though.

 

for people that cared about 120hz 144hz fps type of thing they are extremely picky, im like that but on cpu side of things. even a tiny bit of delay/spike under load i can feel it. ryzen is so-so if they can have like 4.5-4.6ghz i'd prob go for it as it'll be worth it for the amount of cores, even 12 cores at 4.5ghz rather than 4.0 at 16c. ST performance is really important to me cant stress enough.

 

Guys, check this out 7960x - 4931cb score @ 5.6Ghz
Use google translate: http://www.sohu.com/a/164831423_114760

 

Nice OC but we need to see what it will run with normal cooling. Doing some quick math, assuming 100% scaling, the 1950x would have scored at 4 GHZ, 3362 on R15. Now from 5.6 GHz and 4931 score to get a score of 3362 in R15 the Intel would need sustained 3.82 GHz.

 

The 7960X score has been out since the Ryzen TR launch date. We discussed it at length a bit with Mr. Fox in the conversation. If you look, the scores are 200-300MHz faster under LN2. I would expect to get a couple hundred MHz faster on the 7960X, but that is it with "normal" cooling. All of the HCC CPUs need AIO coolers or a custom loop.

 

There's always SiliconLottery for a sure bet 4.1ghz or 4.2ghz

The high core count Intel CPU's have similar downclock'd limitations the higher they go in core counts, and far heavier power requirements to OC.

In a way it's nice, less time spent OC'ing the CPU will give time for more gaming

 

I spend the same time OCing either way, but that is because I have to qualify my system before use and I try to find the furthest I can go with cooling at a comfortable voltage. But, guaranteeing a 4.2 OC is important to me, so I will still buy a binned chip.

 

If you want that 4.2 GHz you need that custom loop or at least a good full coverage AIO, It looks though like a delided 7960x might be tempting too. I know not all those PCIe lanes but do I really need them?

 

Well, the question comes if you want a quad GPU, triple m.2 nvme, etc. Situation, or fewer graphics, then a fast network card or sound card, etc. Also is whether Nvidia will support triple and quad SLI or AMD will, which the Vega cards don't support crossfire at launch. If video editing, etc., you don't need SLI or crossfire to make them work.

A delid 16-core Intel chip would scream, but the TR platform will be here until 2020.

 

I am going with both platforms. I see validity in both, however, I am rewarding AMD for releasing a sound product that put Intel on its ass. Every giant needs a wakeup call every now and then to keep them on their toes. I expect Intel to come out swinging next year with rejuvenated vigor. I also expect AMD to continue their assault on all things Intel. This is the start of a long war and we consumers are going to start winning.

 

Intel is scared!!!
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58781/intels-next-gen-ice-lake-cpus-announced-super-early/index.html
Looks like they might kill cannonlake altogether.

 

this sh!t better not be paper launch rofl

 

It is a paper launch. They are trying to move coffee up from Q1 2018, but if memory serves, it is still a couple months out.

 

It's not just months out, it's Hundred's of Millions of dollars out of Intel's pocket, going into AMD's pocket.

Every month AMD builds steam and makes more inroads, makes more sales, improves their performance, and Intel is stuck in the muck.

It's really frustrating, and that's where Intel will make a lot of mistakes and ruin products that with more time would be more sensical in their completeness and full consideration that time allows.

At some point someone at Intel needs to pull the plug on the panic, and eat the losses, and do things the right way - so when their product comes out people want to buy it, for good reasons, not just because it's Intel.

It's amazing how quickly the tide turns, so AMD better keep rowing in that right direction.

Maybe in a year Intel will be back on track

 

Actually, in a year or two you will have the real battle: Zen 2 (7nm) versus Ice Lake (10nm+). From what is known, the 7nm is about the same logic density as Intel's 10nm. Now, 10nm+ will likely improve on density, but the advantage will be extraordinarily small. So with logic transistor count being a wash, process and architecture will have A LOT of sway, meaning that is the true battle. This is the pre-bout square off, where both sides are flexing, but people are laughing at the champion trying too hard and not looking like he is in shape (better analogy: Intel=Tyson, AMD=Holyfield; before the bout where Tyson bit off his ear). So stay tuned...

 

Hey, if AMD had an ear that Intel could bite off right now, you know they would

 

They will save the ear biting for the main event (meaning antitrust violations, etc.)!

 

Stock 8700K will beat the locked down 8 core R1700 in Asusbook. Not by a big margin, but with a decent OC it will be a lot better. + you can as well have a better graphics than what's in Asus.

 

What if Clevo made it with both, that would be a fairer comparison. If I read the blur correctly, 8700K will be 3.8/4.3(?)/4.3.

 

That is if everything else was the same, I imagine the cooling on the machines might need to be different at least.

 

Nah, it's wishful thinking until someone makes a laptop, ships it, and independent reviewers benchmark it.

Until then the Asus ROG Strix GL702zc Ryzen CPU is the top CPU performance laptop available today, and tomorrow, and the next day, maybe for many months to come.

 

4.5GHz single core

 

Still not available for purchase from Overclockers UK. I emailed them and asked when they might be expecting the laptops to become available... they said they don't know.
That's not very encouraging.
Is Asus having issues? Hopefully not cooling ones... because that would be rather pathetic (considering they hasn't had issues cooling higher powered equipment before).

 

No issues published that I've seen, everything looks good, and this is typical of Asus fast then slow, then full rollout - testing the market and interest before going into full production is good business.

Patience and continue digging to find one out there of your own.