Ryzen vs i7 (Mainstream); Threadripper vs i9 (HEDT); X299 vs X399/TRX40; Xeon vs Epyc

thjeres also that 2 core HEDT

 

Yet another nail in the 7800X coffin
Another Core i7-8700K & Core i5 8600K Review Leaks-Guru3d.com

Stock 8700K faster than 8 core 1800X in Wprime 1024M(FYI. All Ryzen chips do it bad in Wprime)

 

One fast point, Intel is better at prime calculations than AMD. That has been known since Ryzen release. So that alone is insufficient to show which is better at workloads, unless you use a crap tonne of primes.

 

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipset...-8600k-coffee-lake-aorus-z370-ultra-gaming/20

from their review, looks like overclocking is somewhat promising. we can expect an average 5ghz 6 core chips to work in laptop if thats really the case, of course at a decent temperature assuming we can get a decent sized heatsink.

 

Failed introduction of Optane? I didn't see that?

I have bought and returned many (current) 1TB and 2TB SSD's to replace the 480GB/960GB SSD's I've been using for so many years now... but have usually returned to the SSD's that actually deliver performance in the real world (Intel SSD's and the SanDisk Extreme Pro's) - not just pretty numbers and graphs from useless bm's.

Today's SSD's really suck vs. what we had a not so short time ago...

A 480GB or larger Optane based SSD can't come fast enough for me.

The new platforms look exciting on paper; but I want real hands on usage (mine) to determine their worth.

I'm glad everyone is having fun with their various Ryzen builds so far. But what I predicted many, many months ago has turned out to be true; Intel is still the performance champion (period). Optane will only further expand that gap between AMD and Intel, imo.

See:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11839/intel-core-i9-7980xe-and-core-i9-7960x-review/16

I must reiterate that in my immediate circle; Ryzen isn't even a blip on the radar. Sure; many clients/acquaintances' have bought a Ryzen build for their personal amusement. But what is powering their businesses is still firmly in the Intel camp (just like I still am).

Also, like I predicted, in (late) 2018 or early 2019 is when I see AMD being seriously considered (again; in my immediate circle of compute fiends).

Exciting times ahead for all!

 

I'd only trust that in to happen in the DTRs.

 

I don't see much business interest in base Ryzen here, most of that's focused on Threadripper if it's peeled away from Intel HEDT chips.

 

To be fair, the Ryzen "Pro" release was only a few weeks ago...

AMD Partners Dell, HP, And Lenovo Support Ryzen Pro With New Enterprise Desktops
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...pport-ryzen-pro-with-new-enterprise-desktops/

"Advanced Micro Devices has been rolling out its latest products in what seems to be a nonstop cadence. The company started earlier this year with their consumer desktop Ryzen processors and followed with Epyc server processors, Ryzen Threadripper, Radeon Vega-based professional graphics and consumer graphics.

One thing that was missing from AMD’s lineup of all these new desktop systems was their line of commercial processors specifically designed to meet large business needs.

This new product line, based on Ryzen, is called "Ryzen Pro" and is designed to satisfy the differing needs of commercial users from consumer and server. And now we’re already starting to see OEM systems and customers using Ryzen Pro in their commercial systems. I got the chance to attend an event in New York City earlier this week with AMD, Dell, HP, Lenovo and System Integrators (SIs) and want to tell you what I learned."

AMD Goes After Workstation PC Market With Ryzen Pro Chip
http://fortune.com/2017/08/31/amd-ryzen-pro-chip/

"Advanced Micro Devices continued its year of recovery on Thursday, unveiling a new line of microprocessor chips called Ryzen Pro aimed at desktop workstations.

At the same time, leading PC makers HP, Dell, and Lenovo all introduced new workstations using the Ryzen Pro. The high-end machines, which cost thousands of dollars more than a typical consumer-grade PC, are aimed at the toughest computing tasks, like encoding high-definition video, rendering 3D virtual reality scenes and calculating giant Excel spreadsheets."

 

I have both, the old Samsung 850 and Newer 950. Both do a good job. As long you can cool the Samsung’s NVMe ssd’s, it works well. Hope Intel finally push out ssd’s based on Xpoint and not cashe disks so we can see Z-ssd’s from Samsung. Same competition we now see between Intel and Amd.

Edit. Forgot... Intel is the way to go if you want highest Processor performance and Oc possibility. No, doubt on that.

 

I actually haven't had anyone ask about Pro at all, wonder if they think it's just more base Ryzen and aren't considering it over TR.

 

Customers probably need to be informed about the availability of Ryzen Pro, and how it compares to Intel commercial offerings, before they know it's even an option

 

i'd agree intel's ssd is excellent. i've got 2x 520 and 1x 525 240GB all going strong, sandforce controller is really amazing. people hated SFcontroller which lead to what ruined OCZ but with firmware update on SF controller it was all fixed.

as for sandisk extreme pro.. maybe just me being unlucky but ive got sandisk extreme USB 3.0 flash drive, an extreme pro USB 3.0 flash drive, and 8x extreme pro SSDs. both usb flash drive failed, 3/8 extreme pro SSD is failing in my raid array.. I simply can't recommand the current sandisk to anybody lol. and unsurprisingly my oldschool sandisk extreme that rocked SF controller still going hella strong.

well they mentioned their chip going at around 5.1ghz to 5.3ghz, take 5.2ghz as average, with noctua D15. since desktop got bigger heatsink like the D15 i just lower that average from 5.2 to 5ghz in laptop, assuming laptop gets a decent sized heatsink, just a rough estimation.

 

I got an 850 when they came out and I can't praise it enough, it's the best SSD I've ever used.

 

Agreed for sure. What I meant was that while nobody has to be told about TR, they have to be told about Pro, which strikes me as odd.

 

D15 is a really good heatsink, not sure I'm as optimistic about that in laptops.

 

You said it yourself, Ryzen / ThreadRipper are well known for personal reasons, while commerical users have no clue.

Fun vs. Work => Brain on, Brain off.

It's time to turn on their brains man, it's up to you "Professional Sales Guys", now go out there and SELL Ryzen Pro!! Just Do It!!

 

We will at least see 4.8/4.9GHz with LGA laptops. A very good chips maybe 5.0GHz. Can’t talk about BGA as they will shrink and shrink in size. Aka the opposite of what you need.

 

I'm not taking advice from a cannibal.

 

That's a little more in line with what I was thinking. Maybe one of the big vapor chamber models will get better numbers.

 

Well, that was a pleasant waste of time...

Just Do It!!.

 

I pointed out Ryzen and Prime calculations in bolded letters, if you don’t see it
My main point with showing Wprime scores... I compared 8700K and 7700K in the pict (see I posted names for both Kaby and Coffee i7 in the picture). If the results is about correct.

 

Not trying to fight, but wanted to point out about that timeline: that is about the time test beds are done and deployment decisions are made.

What is interesting is storage and cloud services accelerating their purchase schedules of Epyc in some instances, including moving expected purchase decisions up by as much as two quarters. But, agreed, the real fight is upcoming.

Also, there is the question of those peeled off due to enough performance and price. Many chose Intel because no competition at all, so you pay the price, but at least you get the performance. Now, some have been peeled off of that. The question is how much.

But it should be noted, Intel's HEDT numbers will be practically limited for Q3, as no release except for the 7900X and lesser was there. The 7920X was only out for weeks.

Meanwhile, the earnings numbers will reflect some portion of the Server lines.

What will be important is to look for AMD revenues and the relation to TR. Second will be noticing if orders are down for Intel server market, even though AMD had little availability. Third will be looking at the Intel versus AMD pro chips, as many are getting ready to upgrade their systems in the commercial segment.

But I do roughly agree with your timeline for many reasons previously stated.

@Papusan I was still waking up when I wrote that. Must have missed it... I swear I need IV coffee in the morning! Lol.

 

there we go, i fixed it for you

 

Intel's Core i9-7980XE and Core i9-7960X CPUs reviewed-Techreport.com

Power consumtion(stock).


"At least with our particular test rigs, the Core i9-7960X and i9-7980XE consume moderately less power than the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X while delivering slightly better performance. At least at stock speeds, the common hand-wringing about power consumption and efficiency with Skylake-X seems a bit overblown to us. Overclocking these chips is a different story, of course, but not one we'll be exploring today."

"Even for those who can benefit from the virtues of Skylake-X, it's kind of crazy how much dough one has to spend to get a chip that consistently beats the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X. The Core i9-7960X is 70% more expensive than the Threadripper, and the i9-7980XE is twice as expensive. If you look at our final performance index alone, the i9-7960X is about 24% faster than the Threadripper 1950X overall. Given how little its two extra cores seem to add to the equation, the i9-7980XE will never be a good value."

 

wish i had 6k lying around, id go for a kicka$$ 1950x build in a heartbeat sklx hasnt won me over at all...

Sent from my HUAWEI NXT-AL10 using Tapatalk

 

Harsh but fair. They really need to rethink the pricing on those.

 

somehow i find that hard to believe. donno if i should trust techreport lol. i took a look at their test bed they dont mention anything about frequency so i can only assume they test everything at stock clock, if everything is at stock clock then ryzen shouldnt consume that much power and intel should be quite a bit more.

if their test bed shows intel at stock but TR at 4ghz or 4.1ghz with rediculous voltage then i'd believe it and thats because both intel and AMD cpu have their frequency range when they are most efficient at.

theres definitely more to it, either those guys had throttling in intel system resulted in lower power consumption or they simply intel biased.

 

You can clearly see the clocks is stock in the reviews. Just look at the scores in techreport's reviews. And I'm sure we wouldn't seen this high scores with throttling. And if you don't misunderstand.... We talk about STOCK CLOCKS!!



Not the first review you can see stock clocked 7960x use less or around same powa vs AMD Threadripper in benchmarks. Overclocked is another matter!! See www.computerbase.de


arstechnica.co.uk


www.overclock3d.net


www.kitguru.net


For more info... See also my link with several reviews of Intel's i9-7960x/7980xe. I will put in more reviews as they will come in.


Edit. @tilleroftheearth
Intel Optane SSD 900P Specs - Launches end of October-Guru3.com
Not for notebooks with this power consumption

 

I am at 4.0 GHz and have issues with these numbers. I do not think my system overclocked gets too 691 watts, but I do agree it is quite high. I doubt much higher, if at all, than the 7980XE at least from these numbers.

 

at what voltage that 4ghz

 

Old v. New: Xeon E5-2680 vs. i9-7900X (Sandybridge Wins!)

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2017/09/29102229365l.jpg

lmao donno how gigabyte allow 5.4ghz on their mobo, guess the chip itself has to be real nice to be able to do that.

 

That 5.4ghz on 1 core for 1 second would only be available if you left the settings stock, otherwise if you OC'd all 6/12 8700k cores/threads the Boost would be disabled.

I'm guessing they not only OC the 1 core to 5.4ghz for 1 second, they also adjust other parameters to favor power delivery to that single core over the power delivery and frequency to the other cores, probably under-clocking / idling all the rest for that 1 second.

Also, I wonder if it's 5.4ghz for 1 second on 1 thread only as well?

 

lmao not dude. its 1 sec profile switch LOL. who the hell would overclock for a single second rofl.

its their marketing strategy to show they can flip OC real quick which we can do the same with just throttlestop.

 

No I don't think it takes 1 whole second to switch speeds, remember the new optimized Speed Shift technology Intel CPU's since Skylake, it would take ~35ms to switch.

Update: MSI OC Genie used to claim a 1 second OC, so maybe that's what it is again, but on the other hand a sustained all core OC to 5.4GHZ is pretty unbelievable, so I'm still voting on the side of it being a temporary / limited maximum OC boost on 1 core.

The article that image came from doesn't really clear this up either. Whether it's a single core at 5.4ghz, or all cores at 5.4ghz, which I doubt as that's going to be a lot of power draw and thermal output to sustain that performance.

MSI Z370 Godlike Gaming and Z370 Overview Preview
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews...70_godlike_gaming_and_z370_overview_preview/3

Given the best I've seen so far claimed is 5.0ghz on all cores, with some saying 5.3ghz with excellent cooling, it's hard to believe MSI would be advertising 5.4ghz - that's just outside the maximum - so far. If MSI can't make that happen it's going to go badly for them. That's why I think it's gotta be limited to one core and/or a short time duration.

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8700k-msi-z370-krait-benchmarks-overclocking-leaked/
https://segmentnext.com/2017/09/22/intel-core-i7-8700k-benchmarks-details/

 

no, speed shift is name of the feature to speed up process from base clock like 800/1200mhz to default clock. its not overclock rofl.

msi is indicating 1 second PROFILE switch probably u know those type, u run a program or app on your computer and theres icon/notification on bottom right of windows, you click on the app icon bring up the GUI and then change your profile or something simiar to throttlestop, a software.

why would anyone overclock for 1 second that simply makes no sense rofl, also overclock 1 core to 5.4ghz wont work because CFL doesnt have turbo 3.0. turbo 2.0 doesnt work like that otherwise if it did, i wouldnt have wanted skylake-x so bad.

the 5.4ghz in their chart is likely meant that their mobo can support good overclocking with good quality vrm or hardware, and also meant to say is their software includes that profile, as long as the cpu allows for it.

 

MSI does say "...up to incredible 5.4ghz", so I guess that let's them off the hook

incredible - impossible to believe; difficult to believe; extraordinary.

 

Call of Duty WWII Beta @ 1440p 144Hz, What Does It Take to Play?

 

nvidia gt 730 of course

 

Gigabyte have probably take per-core overclocking to new levels with optimization. 1 sec LOL

I’m sure you have seen Alienware’s advertised max oveclock in (feature + customization site) on their web store. No places stated, it’s only for one single core... Advertisement as showed in pict above, is worthless. Almost as Scam!!

 

1.350 vcore,;

 

https://m.hexus.net/tech/news/graph...tpaces-nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-forza-motorsport-7/
So, Vega 56 beating 1080 ti in forza at 1080 & 1440

https://www.techspot.com/news/71209-amd-vega-64-burns-past-gtx-1080-ti.html

 

Up to 5.4GHz!*

*with LN2 cooling.

 

imma get a chip that shows 5.4ghz on SL and then downclock and use it as 5ghz in the laptop. gonna be hard to get something that high tho

 

My other issue with Intel is I doubt the 8th gen icore is 25% faster at games. I can't see a 1080ti magically being driven at a 25% frame rate improvement. I do not doubt it is better than the prior gen but just not to that point. Seeing 1600x prices adjust for competition is great though.

 

25% faster at games.... LOOL
Not this year. And nor next year. Intel is dreaming.

 

storage stuff since im a storage guy.

AMD x399
http://www.legitreviews.com/amds-free-nvme-raid-support-amd-x399-chipset-now-available_198347

Intel x299 VROC
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Stora...-VROC-vs-Z270-RST-Quad-Optane-vs-Quad-960-PRO

 

damn this allyn guy amazing.

• The faster clocks and lower core-to-DRAM latency of the 7700K shave 0.6us off of the transaction latency compared to the 7960X.
• The Z270 platform nets a ~2.1us per transaction latency penalty for SSDs communicating via the PCH.

 

AMD: Ryzen beats Intel at sales figures on Mindfactory

"The German online retailer Mindfactory is known to handle the sales figures on its platform quite transparently. With these it is shown that AMD also in September at least here succeeded to sell more processors than the direct competitor Intel. Of course, this is only the numbers of a single sales portal, but it can be a trend."

 

Too early to call a trend, with the 7980xe out and the 8th gen coming, things could change.