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    SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Greg, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. tilleroftheearth

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    Yeah, the Black Friday specials I was pricing out started at $899 - $1,399 and when I finished, ahem, 'customizing' them I was looking at over $8K... lol
     
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    For those who are interested, my SSD: OCZ Vertex 256GB (FW 1.4) scores 7.3 in the WEI on Windows 7 64bit Ultimate.

    Will run CrystalDiskMark when I got the time for it.
     
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    You may want to see if this will increase your CDM speeds:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5566478&postcount=1026

    Remember to do a before/after with them if you do! ;)


    davepermen,

    oh, sorry, I thought they were available at that link. Hmm, maybe Intel has to give Kingston a head start before they flood the market with them?

    Edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...079&cm_re=Kingston_SSD-_-20-139-079-_-Product
     
  5. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    yes, they said, they give them the head start.

    the 40gb would be perfect for the media center.. :( (and it would fit, being 2.5" unlike my mtron :()
     
  6. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

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    the 500, or 1TB from ocz are 3.5, and even better for media center :p
     
  7. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    well.. no?
     
  8. max420

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    lol, how is a 40Gb pefect for anything?
     
  9. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    by having a windows home server, which shares all the media files over the whole network, instead of having some here, some there.

    the os installation of the media center + the 1-3 programs will cost me around 20gb, so the ssd would be around 50% full, high performing, and fitting perfectly, without costing too much.
     
  10. LaptopGun

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    Stupid question. My only clean Vista install disc was Vista Ultimate and that's what I'm running right now. I want to upgrade to W7. Can I just do an in place upgrade to W7 Pro or Home Premium (probably the later) as currently constituted? I would buy the appropriate upgrade through the student discount thingee. I am not buying that $150 Ultimate upgrade on Newegg. I'd rather do a clean install.
     
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    you can do what ever you want, including clean installation, with the upgrade key. if you happen to have a problem, there are tricks to let the upgrade activate after a clean installation. but most don't even have an issue.

    if you have legally vista, and an upgrade, you can do the upgrade how ever you want, including clean installation.
     
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    Can you pm or email me the 1848 download link? I added you to MSN too.
    I know how to use MPTool. So thats not a problem.

    I could send you the 1819 oder 1819GC MPTool as exchange.
     
  13. Jackboot

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    A family member's server at their business runs WinXP with a SQL database (i.e., lots of small random access).

    The server has a 160GB HDD with only 20GB used for the OS and apps. This server is about 5 years old and the database access is quite slow.

    The Intel X25-V is perfect for such scenarios. A $100 piece of hardware will make that computer last another 5 years - or until some piece of hardware fails.
     
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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5553771#post5553771
     
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    29. december is too late for me!! bah..

    crap..

    hm..
     
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    Thats re-assuring. Thanks. I got the Vista Ultimate disc (and key) for attending one of Microsoft's Heroes Happen Here events last year to hype Server 2008 and hypervisors. They took the opportunity to plug Vista for business use too, primarily by offering a 32 bit install of Ultimate to all attendees. You know, "Try it and convince your boss to buy it" stuff. I went because I had a day off, I like swag items, and my Dad legitimately needed some advice on how to go about stupid things with his personal accounting side business. I was surprised the disc came in handy here and how well Vista works (on an SSD :p ).

    Good. All I want to do is buy W7 with the academic thing and do an upgrade install so I don't wipe and reinstall everything on this wonderful SSD.
     
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    hehe :) have fun. if something goes wrong, you're at the right place here anyways. but it should work fine, actually.
     
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    Yeah, I know I'll probably need some help ;)
     
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    its the end of Nov in Asia now...
     
  21. tilleroftheearth

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    Maybe they'll wait for the rest of the world to catch up? ;)

    I too hope we see TRIM firmware from both companies (along with the 'official' IRST drivers too).
     
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    let me grab a phone card, and yell samsung semi in korea
     
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    btw, just to clarify: it's perfect for any system that does not need to have user data on. my main pc (this one) has 28gb used. my media center has less.

    main pc has my whole music library on itself.

    so i suggest you to rethink your statement :)


    edit: laptop: 28.3gb.


    yes, all my systems could life with 40gb. not really the laptop, as it will hold more data when i'm more on the go with it again. it's nice to have enough space on there, just in case.
     
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    I'm cautious enough to know that I need to cover all my bases.

    Right now, I have a perfectly working system, that performs way better than anything i've ever owned or used before. Risking its stability for performance gains I wouldn't notice, to me is just foolhardy.

    So, until I see these drivers on Intel site, i'm not going to risk it.

    I think it would just be prudent to wait given intel's recent track record with firmware and software.
     
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    max420 Notebook Consultant

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    any statement preceded by "lol" is probably only half serious. although, the serious side of me waited until 256 was cheap before i got one.

    to each his own. ^-^
     
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    glad i have my winhome server, which cost me around 300 - 400$ to configure, then. it allows me to cheaply grab ssds for all my systems (right now that's 4 individual ones at home), without having to "wait till they get cheap".

    the added data savety, the added fact that my data is now cleaned up and everywhere available as needed, the fact that it won't ever bother me that a system might fail, that all together + the fact that my whole home is ssd only by now definitely made it worth it :)

    to each his own. but consider my way, it's an awesome one :)
     
  27. davepermen

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    100% with you. there's a reason intel pulled it. and the other vendor might just not understand that reason, thinking "but it all works here, not?" :)

    then again, i don't care for my systems really :)
     
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    i only use one computer, and it's the ole 1645. so 1 hdd for me. and i just couldn't wait anymore, 256 is good enough for now. that + a 1TB gets me going, and this way, i don't have to dump the lap to external as often to keep 50% free space. ^-^
     
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    hehe :) as you said: to each his own.

    i really hope the 40gb solution gets popular, though. it would be awesome for business systems. they normally don't need much local data at all. it would fit thousands of systems, that now have crappy slow 60gb disk (5400rpm if you're LUCKY :))
     
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    I agree. I would consider this a "Best Practice". I hope Intel hurries up!

     
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    So, Samsung break the end of Nov.. no update at all
     
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    We knew Samsung was not going to be hitting their deadline, when they've missed it twice already.

    As far as I am concerned, Samsung cannot be trusted and no one should be buying their drives based on hope that TRIM will be implemented. I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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    that, and they're a comparatively low performer anyways... :) (runs away)
     
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    twice? when was the another one?
    I think Samsung not really care about its SSD department coz they can make profit by selling controller and nand to other companies. However, Toshiba, SanDisk, Intel are also selling Nand and controller, so customers will have more choice on SSD soon.
     
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    nev_neo, we're not talking about firmware here, just drivers. I can understand you being cautious (especially if you have only one system), but can you give me an example of an Intel software (not firmware) update that borked a system?

    davepermen, see above. Firmware, I agree - think twice, then three times - flash once. Drivers, not so much. Meh! ;)
     
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    well, there still is a reason why they aren't available where they should.

    i don't care if the chance is low personally, but fully understand others that do. i mostly only use stuff from official sources, one reason i got technet now, so i can get official images for all sort of os and software from microsoft when on some support mission (had to reinstall a windows xp media center 2005 edition. teched has it, so do torrents.. i prefer technet)
     
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    davepermen,

    Normally, on this issue, I can agree with you (... still a reason they are not available...), but as people keep stating - no company makes perfect software - ever!

    Even when they're available officially, that doesn't mean they'll work with your system 100% and error free.

    To me, there is a reason they coded a new version. I'm willing to test it (with a skeptical eye) even if it is not directly from Intel themselves currently. When Intel does release it publicly, either it will be the exact same one I'll have been using for awhile, or, it will be updated and therefore need to go through the same scrutiny from me again.

    My point in my previous posts was that this is indeed Intel software (at least to my satisfaction). In this post my point is also simple:

    Whether publicly offered by Intel or not; it does not make it a bulletproof release - one way or the other, a diligent user has to take the time to test either one he/she chooses to run on their systems.

    The chance that a bug is found in the current one before released publicly is just as good as a bug being found in the publicly released version - so no difference from my perspective.

    In this technological age, there is no such thing as final software.
     
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    the chance is higher, that's the actual issue. if that's no problem, then no problem. but the fact that intel hasn't released it themselves yet, means it's not "done" yet for them. and that gives a higher possibility of errors.

    but, you know, i use them, they work well. still, the point is still valid.

    so we all agree, and still make different choices based on this. that means we have different interests :)
     
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    davepermen, just want to point out that they are WHLQ certified drivers, no?

    If Intel has submitted them to MS and MS has certified them, I consider them 'done'.

    At least the ones I'm running are. (from the Biostar download page).
     
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    whql doesn't mean the drivers work as they should btw :) whql just means they, from microsoft testing, haven't ed up their systems :) (whql certification is quite fun once you read a bit what really goes on in those tests..)

    all in all, whql is better than no whql, but not much more :)

    i consider them done, when intel says "done" :) that's the most final done you can get :) i still use the undone ones here without problems :)

    so mainly i just take care you don't get more posts than me, now? :)
     
  41. tilleroftheearth

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    LOLOLOLOL......... pissing my pants laughing.....

    Okay, Intel tests, MS tests but still not done - who do we trust then?

    Oh yeah! I already said we, the users, should be testing anything we put on our systems. ;)

    Okay, I agree about the lame WHQL testing, but... I got one more post! :)
     
  42. davepermen

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    actually, good question :) i only trust them once BOTH agree on releasing it. that's when i get it over windows update.

    until then, i'm a beta tester.. :)

    and quite often, even after that, too :)
     
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    For most drivers, I agree Windows Update is where we'll find them (eventually).

    Discussing specifically the Intel IMSM or the newer IRSM drivers, I have never seen them offered on Windows Update - ever?
     
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    ... now guess why ?? :)

    i bet you will be laughing :)
     
  45. Metsn

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    Well I remember, when I had my Samsung SSD and downloaded latest Intel IMSM drivers from official site, they made my SSD unusable. A had to actually find some not officially released beta version to make my computer work well. That's why I believe that if you actually want some performance improvement, you need to test various versions of drivers and choose the one, which performs the best for you.

    btw..+rep for both of you for helping and consulting :)
     
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    well, I chose to install only drivers that are from manufacturer itself...
    so, no microsoft w7 chipset drivers on my system, same for gpu, wlan...you name it ;)
     
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    Can you pm or email me the 1848 download link?
    I know how to use MPTool. So thats not a problem.

    I could send you the 1819 oder 1819GC MPTool as exchange.
     
  48. tilleroftheearth

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    darQ96,

    My experience with Dell systems and manufacturer specific drivers is that your 'choice' is a wise one. Not only Dell's, but also most big name players tweak not only their drivers but also their hardware (possibly only by firmware) to make them mostly incompatible with the off the shelf equivalents.

    I will put this theory to the test (once more) by doing a clean install of Win 7 and trying to specifically ignore the manufacturer's (old, version-wise) drivers.

    Actually, I ran the Intel 'automatically identify and find drivers' wizard and it suggested my Wireless card be updated. Sony version 12.XX, Intel version 13.XX. I let it and so far no issues. I hate being tied to 'old' driver versions!

    http://www.intel.com/support/detect.htm

    The reason I ran that was to see if it would pickup/identify the IRST drivers I was running and offer an update - it didn't.


    Metsn,

    Thank you and, you're welcome.


    davepermen, yes, I was laughing - at both of us. :)
     
  49. ronan_zj

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    Sorry I am not allow to release any detail of this 1848 firmware because I don't want my friend get into any trouble since he is the only one have beta version from the company. It sounds cool that you have 1819GC because indilinx never give out GC version to any dealer except OCZ.
     
  50. davepermen

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    nice. so i helped for some lucky moments in this so terrible dark world around here...

    :) (i'm still pissed at the voting that happened in our country :) and how all friends support it blindly)
     
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