Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
Has anyone heard back from Corsair yet?
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interestingly just the first tip on this guide failed to perform as expected on my intel ssd, as well as the mtron raid. superfetch off == performance loss.
the indexing disabling is also wrong documented. it's interesting how many people don't understand how indexing works..
the regedits are mostly placebos anyways. i'm not even sure all of them are active in vista, and not just there for the sake of compatiblity with xp (say some tool would crash if it tries to read the now unused setting, if it isn't there anymore.. oh, and microsoft is at it's start to find out which settings actually still get used, so they're better at leaving everything in anyways
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Grats on the X25-M and the laptop! It would be my dream laptop if it featured Arrandale.
In Windows 7, defragging is disabled by default on SSD drives. You can disable indexing if you want, I don't think the search speed differences will be as big on an SSD, but any "benefits" disabling indexing might be more placebo too. You can try it out. Right click on your drive and just unclick indexing.
Download the new SSD Toolbox from Intel and make sure it has "Device Initiated Power Management" enabled. That will allow the SSD to go idle when its finished working, which should be quite fast.
Oh, and download the latest firmware if you haven't already.
BTW Dave, did you check out the Toolbox on your G1?
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Q4 2010?
Intel...
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Yeah, have to agree with the 'no tweaks' philosophy too. Why would you want to second guess MS's IT department anyways?
The only things I can suggest is:
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I hope you did a clean install - including deleting all partitions (if any) before installing Win 7. This will ensure that the partitions are aligned properly on the SSD. If you did a clone, well, almost 100% guaranteed that Win 7 could not have aligned the partitions properly for you and, your O/S is not set up to properly use the SSD.
2nd:
Check to see that defrag is not set to run on a schedule. Click Start, type defrag and Enter, uncheck the 'Scheduled defrag' option. Done.
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Make sure you are either using the default AHCI driver (the MS one), or, try the Intel Rapid Storage Technology drivers (IRST drivers). If you are using any other drivers, including the now 'old' Intel Matrix Storage Manager (IMSM) drivers, then your SSD will not be able to 'see' the TRIM commands Win 7 initiates because the IMSM drivers do not 'pass' the TRIM commands through to the drives.
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Update the firmware (if needed). Install and use the Intel SSD Toolbox.
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Yes, Hank, I actually do agree with you. And with Tiller. I use Acronis for myself and have actually restored it a few times. I have a fairly complex install that DOES take a long time to re-do. I have also CLONED to new drives and had that work just fine. If I had my druthers and say was given a choice of a machine to use for the next 2 years, and one was restored from an image and one was carefully fresh installed, I would choose the latter. That said, I have used cloned/imaged machines for 2 years with no issues. At least none that could be attributed to the image
I guess I am being a bit pessimistic and arguing for those times, how precisely rare they are I cannot say for sure, where after 1.5 hours into the image restore, you get the message, whoops, image corrupt, cannot proceed. AT THAT TIME is when you want a restorable local and/or remote copy of your important data. That is for sure. I have spent sometime, not as much as here, on the previous Acronis boards run by a separate company (the name escapes me) and there were plenty who had mentioned the above scenario. I know that does not give a non-skewed view, but let me tell you, that when an error message pops up during an image restore, and that is your only line of defense, your heart goes quickly up to your throat. Yes sir is does
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Last on this, funnily, the last time I needed to do a restore, it was the built in Windows backup image that saved me. Not sure if that is the same as System Restore, which has never worked for me
FYI, the very SSD I write this on was CLONED using Acronis
And yet, I cannot help but wonder how a fresh install would be different
I have always used Acronis for cloning and it has worked consistently and without issue. Backup first, then clone. With cloning, you know instantly if there is an issue, unlike restoring a 4 month old image under the stress of really needing it. Credit where credit is due, for sure.
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firmware update takes less than 1 minute in laptop with AHCI mode. access time seems better than previous worst wear level case:
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Yeah, I was surprised to read about the anti-cloning advise. I am expecting to receive a Kingston SSD with the Acronis cloning bundle, and I am hoping to clone the HDD. I have one single Win 7 partition, and I am assuming that Kingston is selling the cloning kit because they know what they are doing, and not inadvertently causing slowdowns in their customer systems. That said, if anyone can cite real data/analysis on how cloning might be degrading performance, that'd be much appreciated
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indexing is not about the search SPEED per se (but that's another gain of it). it's about being able to search TROUGH content, and not just for the file names of it. I can for example search for WLAN, Wireless Key, or what ever, and it finds my funky Keylist.txt. (and yep, one shouldn't store a file like that haha)
not yet. i have a very tight schedule right now. a big gig is coming that saturday, and i still don't actually know how to perform
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everyone does. morons..
+ by doing so, the hidden repair partition gets created (200mb?) that will help if, somehow, you mess up your os boot, and need to repair it.
unneeded. leave it on, it skips ssds anyways. then, if some other hdd one day get plugged in (or restored to a hdd as the ssd might die or get too small or what ever), it will defrag again like it should.
yep. and turn bios to AHCI
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no, sir.. you got THAT wrong.
it's
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installing win7, 8 minutes. doing windows update, around 15 minutes.. installing 3-4 apps, another half hour.
but none of this is a daunting task at all.
and yes, my systems work that way. so if i mess up, i will quickly reinstall. if i don't mess up, but something else did, then i restore.
home server ftw
but yes, the argument about "it's fast to restore" is rather .. strange.. if that happens to be important, then you're a) in that strange case similar to tiller or vostro, that you have to rely on a system to be 100% available (and i understand that, as i need that during a live gig, too), or b) (much more often i guess), you restore much too often.
so far i had, i think, 5 restores made that year. most of them where for testing a win7 beta, then restore back to vista.. 1 was a system - crash that rendered my os unbootable.
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i'm no hardcore gamer. but games happen to sometimes stutter due to data that has to be loaded and wasn't pre-loaded yet. from what i tested (crysis, portal, some other stuff), it reduced some stutterings of the games, and made the loading obviously much faster.
oh, and crysis often has the wide away textures loaded a bit quicker, too. so you get, in crysis, more detailed graphics.
ssds are graphic enhancers. now wait till that spread, and gets mungled trough the internet hype..
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davepermen, guess what? SSD's make Graphics cards fly!
Yeah, turning on AHCI is 'the' tweak for SSD's (and mech. HD's too).
BTW, I like your enjoy better than my enjoy!
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Real Data (facts) below:
Acronis is known to not keep partitions aligned between different HD's (or, in your case HD and SSD). If you are cloning back to the same drive, the partitions should be identical (still not 'guaranteed') as what the original was - if aligned, then a restore will get you aligned. Do note though that you still need to do a clean install first (delete all partitions on drive first - otherwise - still not aligned).
Intel's are the least affected by non-aligned partitions.
If the Kingston SSD you've purchased is a 40, 80 or 160GB model - Congrats! You've basically bought an Intel SSD and you can spread the 'fact' that cloning vs. clean install did very little for you.
If the Kinston SSD is other than the above - I wish you luck on the performance front; if you clone.
Kingston, or any other company is not there to give you (or me) the best they have to offer; they are there to seemingly give their best, but make (huge) profit while doing so.
Kingston does not have to know what its doing (by offering us a hw/sw bundle) - we do. Again, their motive is profit - if we don't have enough performance, I'm sure they will be there for us with an upgraded XXX to buy soon.
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I'm using mine fully, that's why i let it be at it's general purpose settings.
by specializing, i reduce it's usefulness.
I don't specialize mine. by choice.
it feels good. and we both know it
(and now you want to tell me "I don't use my system fully?"
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I probably am somewhere in the middle. Sometimes I tweak, sometimes I do not. I enjoy learning and experimenting. I like my computer to work, and work as fast and as stably as possible. I like to use it to make money. (My most favorite of all). So it is specific and general all at the same time, depending on me and my mood! Just the way I like it. Incedentally, the constant argument on 1. Indexing 2. Defrag and 3. pagefile are not new and certainly not unique to this thred. They have been going on since the beginning of computers and the introduction of each of the 3 items. A buddy and I were screaming at each other today about defrag. I say having PerfectDisk or whatever running in the background is completely unnecessary. He swears it keeps his disk all nice and fast. Maximum PC did a fairly exhaustive review of many defrag programs a few months back. Could not prove one way or the other that ANY of them speeded up a hard disk. It was amazing. Personally, I simply like watching all the squares turn colors! But especially with all these highly specialized/indexed backup softwares out now, I play it safe like I KNOW Dave Permen would, and disable autodefrag or whatever perfect disk or the other one is calling it now. I use the built in Windows one once in awhile, but I guess not anymore
Made $45 tonight using browser, Constant Contact, and Dreamweaver. Good, but not as good as when I make $450! Dave
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Thanks for the post. I know you're trying to help but in my request for real data (facts), I implied from an independent source (such as Anandtech or any other reputed website) that has a reputation to protect and compete as such with their peers; in other words having an incentive for being correct. You could be absolutely correct, but I have no way of verifying that you are, so absolutely no offense to you (Let's face it, there are way too many of us here in this forum that speak based on no real measurements or experience, instead on opinions and irrationality (read: emotions)-- and its can be hard to tell the former type from the latter -- so I tend to stick to information exchange as opposed to opinion exchange when I am here). However, to be quite fair to you or anyone else, its understandably hard also to cite such direct measurements by someone with every quick forum posting.
So I'll just go ahead and clone it, and then check for alignment or misalignment and correct it if necessary. I'll report back what I see.
SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Greg, Oct 29, 2009.
