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Now, that's a great tip! Thanks!
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I know this isn't 2.5" form factor (yet), and I know people shun the idea of Fusion for anything other than enterprise, but this is actually affordable for the consumer market, and would be better than two Intel's in RAID-0. Just thought you'd find it appealing to read the specs
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http://www.fusionio.com/ioxtreme/
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just to say that i applied that to an 1.83ghz cpu and it made hell of a difference (and the mtron was applied to a 1.2ghz cpu).
in general those systems, after ssd "pimping", killed my quadcore in any form of daily usage. ANY
indeed. but for i'd say anyone except gamers and people doing huge computing tasks (and both of those groups are a minority of computer users), the only real bottleneck today IS the hdd, and by far. on a core2duo, any normal usage app is close to never at 100% cpu usage (or 50% if single cored). when ever it's slow, though, the disk light glows.
and i applied ssds to tiny atoms, too, and they are quite fast by now (but they block at 100% cpu usage quite sometimes).
you just have to notice that, till you get the first bits of a file on a nowadays laptops hdd, your cpu could have done around 50 Million Operations. (assuming 2.4ghz core2duo, hdd with 12ms latency for random access).
that is 1 op on the hdd == 50 million cpu ops lost. the differences are just ridiculous huge.
but sure, ssds don't do wonders. if the rest of your pc just can't deliver, the ssd will deliver it's part as fast as possible, and just idle the resting time.
if you're cpu bound (like compressing some hd-video), ssd won't help you. they won't help you with the fps while gaming, too (but they might help with some loading-stutters while ingame and something might have to get loaded from disk).
while ssds won't make magic happen (and don't make you coffee and all that), they are the single best pc performance enhancing investment that could ever be done for general computer usage during all the last tens of years of computer existance. and if that's nothing, then i don't know. -
btw, news on the intel bug side:
intel ssd firmware bug found
looks like intel found out what caused some of those 8MB issues and such, and hopefully will have it fixed soon. obviously the way the article is written is 100% (or more) overblown, but that's engadget, and we love it for that
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I like this post, and I'd like to add further.
Yes I used to think pure SSD solutions weren't worth the price. Yes I used to think alternative products and transition products like Braidwood and hybrid drives were the answer. But I never detailed beyond that. I will now.
-It's worth it now. I bought my drive for $890 after tax and shipping. Now I can get the G2 for less than $350 with tax and shipping and with features like TRIM eliminates some of the issues I had against them
-I still have the belief that in desktops with easily replaceable hard drives and more cost-oriented structure that the hybrid system is the way to go. Plus I like cool ideas that seems complex to implement but comes to fruition.
-In portable devices I wouldn't think of getting anything other than SSD(if the SSD is good, like the Intel drive). The benefits way overweigh the disadvantages.
-I'm pretty sure if I had a server, an SSD would also be very compelling. Technologies like these are always more compelling in the "Extreme" segment of the market
-But until the day comes where hybrid products like Braidwood(I'm hoping the 2011 version with Sandy Bridge will do it) works well, there is nothing better than not having to do all the maintenance I used to do with hard drives. The more clutter you have on your system, the longer you use it without clean reinstall, the better the SSD gets over the HDD, no matter the CPU
OT: If worst comes to worst on the NYC fine, its still likely the company will survive. The best thing to streamline to survive I'd say is to sell the SSD division/Networking/IA64, maybe Larrabee at the worst. Yes, I don't think the SSD division itself is making lots of money for Intel. They might have high margins, but its an extremely low volume segment. -
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switzerland, obviously.. land of the rich bank ******s
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could or couldn't? that typo makes it hard to guess
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Sorry if it's not very clear. I don't imply that you think SSD's are magic, nor that you worship them. I'm just saying that I don't.
I agree with you that somebody needs to give out advice. I personally am busy most of the time, so I can only help you help others by correcting some of your advice to others. Don't take this the wrong way.
If eBooster works great for you, then all the better. Others don't experience the same effect, possibly because of different computer configurations and setup, just as your configuration and setup may not push the Intel drive to its full potentional. Just something to think about.
Also, I'm not serious when I say that you shouldn't give out advice to others (notice the wink next to my comment ) and I believe that I give you an explanation of why the blinking HDD light when you log off your computer can't be garbage collection.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you all for that flood of information since my last post, I really am here to learn and I'm doing that in abundance today.
I'd also like to clarify my position regarding SSD's once more (last time, I promise).
IntelUser;
those FusionIO points you made probably saved me several weeks of my own research - I'll accept what you offered and peek into that technology as time permits and/or new developments occur - Thanks!
davepermen;
I distinctly remember the original post with those same comparisons you posted and is one of the reasons I have pursued/researched this SSD field so extensively for my own purposes.
Maybe my 'daily use' of computers is much more taxing on the CPU/RAM than the SSD/storage side of the equation?
Like I mentioned before, I still want to try a G2 (in my system) to finally be able to say definitively, yes (or no) the SSD does (doesn't) makes a difference for me and my work pattern.
IntelUser;
Everybody seems to be discounting how much of an effect eBoostr is making on both my notebook and my desktop systems - I'm not here to push eBoostr per se, but Braidwood (whenever it gets here) seems like a clone of eBoostr (or vice versa). So although I can appreciate that mech HD vs. SSD is night and day difference it is not so cut and dried with mech HD + eBoostr vs. SSD. Also, eBoostr is here right now to play with, we don't need to wait till 2011.
davepermen;
In other words, that 1 HD OP to 50 Million CPU OPS ratio is much closer to SSD-like performance than most realize, with an optimized eBoostr setup.
What bothers me most though is the inconsistency of SSD's - when considered as a whole (firmware hiccups, no firmware availability, random (8MB) glitches, etc.). I know, others have posted their experiences with no issues whatsoever, but my direct experience has been the opposite.
Not only did a G2 not resurrect an Opteron AMD desktop (at least not to my satisfaction - although it easily destroyed my VRaptor/Raptor desktop as I also posted), but the issues I witnessed with a Samsung SSD has left me very wary of these 'black boxes' indeed.
I should state that I am not a review site that tests components in isolation. I don't have that kind of time and money to throw around. What I'm testing here (for the record) is with the same amount of time and money spent, would the performance be more or less than an SSD?
I'm not comparing SSD vs. mech HD; I'm comparing Money In vs. Throughput Out.
What I have discovered is that to get real work done (i.e. not simply the 'feel' of the computer or the 'snap' it has, but actual output/throughput), an SSD can only do so much.
Especially if your application is not storage IO dependent like AutoCAD showed with my clients computers (the better platform/CPU was easily 3 times faster (with a 'crippled' Samsung SSD) than the clean installed Intel 160GB G2 was on the Opteron/AMD platform).
Depending on your computing needs, a better platform (Intel/AMD), more RAM, better O/S, or better video card may be a more cost effective solution to increasing performance for your main or 'core' applications than simply dropping in an SSD would prove.
The above statement is doubly true when eBoostr is also considered for a mere $40 investment (all you need is to have a spare usb stick lying around... remember, I'm caching over 14 GB and this can be delivered at ~27 MB/s to the CPU via eBoostr at roughly the same latency as an SSD).
When all the above have been taken into consideration and your budget still allows to add an SSD (or more) to your 'optimized' system for your specific computing needs, then yes, you will be experiencing computing nirvana - but this is far from the current general consensus that simply adding an SSD will get you there by the addition of an SSD alone.
I hope I've explained my position clearly, (if not concisely, sorry! ), for everyone's consideration?
zephir,
were cool!
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eBoostr sucks. it failed in all my tests, and is an additional insecurity and instability layer i can't accept anyways.
still, if it works for you, have fun.
have you made a clean installation for your amd? what os? and, the moment it was "not fast", was then the disk light on? if not, yes, your bottleneck is somewhere else and you have to fix that. for me, most of my bottlenecks ARE disk related. at least those milliseconds where the system just doensn't react are mostly always disk related and now a thing of the past for ever for me..
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Do a clean install. Disable degragmentation. Those are the only two things I do.
I'm the computer guy for most of my associates, so if something goes wrong, it will be me who troubleshoot the problem, do the RMA, and still won't hear the end of it since I recommend something that don't work well for them. So no, I don't want to waste my time until I know that whatever I recommend to them has all the kinks work out. And trust me, they know about my endeavor with the Intel SSD, and they want to know whether the issue is fixed or not.
@tilleroftheearth
Good to hear that you don't hold anything against me. Look forward to reading your posts in the future
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Ok...def prob.... These are not even half of the old Crystal marks I posted here about a month ago....
Love and hate these challenges...Attached Files:
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SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Greg, Oct 29, 2009.
