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    SSD slower to boot than HDD

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by KevinR, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. KevinR

    KevinR Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've upgraded several laptops replacing the HDD with an SSD - I've been using Crucial MX300 275GB SATA III 2.5inch SSD because they seem good value. I've got a problem with an upgrade I've just done on a Samsung NP535U3C running Windows 10 - it takes longer to boot from the SSD than it did from the HDD! The HDD took 30 seconds. The SSD takes 110 seconds. For all but the last 5 seconds the only item on screen is the Samsung logo. The disk light occasionally flickers but most of the time it is off.Then at 105 seconds the Windows 10 rotating dots appear under the logo then the user lock screen appears. Once the lock screen appears the notebook flies along. It is only booting that is slow. When it was running off the HDD the Samsung logo would disappear after about 10 seconds and replaced by just the Windows 10 rotating dots. I cloned the HDD onto the SDD. The SDD has about 100 GB free space. Fast boot is active. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.
     
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    Clean install of Windows 10 followed by appropriate drivers. Cloning is so 1999...
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    So true.. I always fresh install my OS lol :)
     
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    KevinR Notebook Enthusiast

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    Is 'Start > Settings > Update & security > Recovery' and then choose 'Get started' under 'Reset this PC' sufficient?
     
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    Not even close.

    Start with:

    See:
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10

    Download to a working Win10 installation with the 'USB/DVD' option.

    Install by first wiping out the entire SSD (all partitions).

    Finish by installing and testing each driver applied keeps the system fast and stable (from the manufacturer's website).


     
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    The laptop was Windows 8 upgraded to 10 whilst it was free. Are there any problems re-licencing after a clean install?
     
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    No. Once installed on a particular system, you can re-install Windows 10 (same version, of course) and when you connect to the 'net, it will become 'activated' automatically for you. Only at this point do I continue with drivers, software and personal data. ;)
     
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    I created a bootable USB drive, wiped the partitions leaving the Samsung recovery partition and the MSR partition. When I attempted to install onto the one remaining partition it said "The partitions on the disk selected for installation are not in the recommended order. For additional information about installing to GPT disks go to the Microsoft website ( www.microsoft.com) and search for GPT. Do you want to proceed with installation?". I googled it and found most people installed Windows on it anyway. Windows 10 installed but the PC is still taking 110 seconds to boot to the SSD. I have not yet reinstalled any of my programs or documents. BIOS Fast Boot Mode is Enabled. Boot Option Priority #1 is Windows Boot Manager. I noticed when booting from the USB it still took 110 seconds and the USB light flickered regularly. Could it be something in the BIOS? But nothing has been changed from when the HDD was installed.
     
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    Wipe all the partitions, use the Advanced setup options and select the SSD and format and then delete each partition (The Samsung recovery partition is no good now anyways...).

    With the drive having a single, unallocated capacity shown, select it and 'create' a new partition.

    Note the number of MB's shown and multiply that by 0.67 and enter that into the new partition size box. (You've just OP'd by 33%, the 'tiller way...).

    Respond to 'yes' to create additional partitions as necessary for Windows to run optimally and then select the (largest) partition you just created to install windows to.

    You may want to go into the BIOS and set it to defaults, if you've played with any of the settings (but I doubt that is the problem).

    If, after installing Windows (and it's updates) and all the appropriate drivers (skip the manufacturer's bloatware...) the same behavior is observed, I would suspect incompatibility between the SSD and your platform. Either try another (same model) SSD, or, a different brand at that time.
     
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    Exactly... A complete wipe is required.. The old partitions are messing up everything..
     
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    Thanks for all your replies. I've been away thus delay in getting back. I wiped all partitions and created a new one that was 67% of the maximum that setup defaulted to. I let windows create the other partitions it wanted - see photo. I only installed Windows 10 but the laptop still takes 110 seconds to boot. I've discovered that if I put it into hibernation it takes 110 seconds to come out of hibernation even if I wake it up within a minute of putting it into hibernation. I guess it's got to be a compatibility error.
     

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    Did you install the chipset driver(s), and any other device drivers from the manufacturer too (before you connected to the internet?

     
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    Just saw that the notebook in question is an AMD platform. :(

    See:
    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A6-4455M+APU

    See:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ram-upgrade-question.798489/#post-10393494


    Quoting myself in the link above on an AMD based platform after maxing out the RAM and upgrading to an SanDisk Extreme Pro:


    I have never seen an AMD setup that performed as I need/expect (even when AMD was 'king' - a dozen or more years ago...).

    With my latest experience with AMD platforms, I hope to not run into them again for a very long time.

    You can download the demo of PerfectDisk 14 and see if using it makes a difference (it did for the system linked above). But not enough of a difference for me.

    If this is your system? Sell/donate it.

    Intel platform highly recommended.
     
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    No. So I should download these and put them on a USB to install before connecting to the internet?
     
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    Yeah, that is what I would try now in your shoes. I do let windows updates install everything they can (in testing mode). But for most systems, a clean install, followed by manually installing device drivers (in order) and a full reboot between each one is what is needed to make them perform.

    Download the latest drivers to a USB drive (make sure you unzip them first).
    Install the Chipset driver first (reboot - twice is not overkill either, after waiting 5 minutes letting the system idle).
    Install the Sound driver (reboot, as above...),
    Install the Video driver (reboot, as above...),
    Install the WiFi driver (reboot, as above...),
    Install the LAN driver (reboot, as above...),
    Install any other available driver, rebooting as above.

    Now, connect to the internet to do any available, remaining updates.

    If the system is still slow (110 seconds to boot!...) then try to find alternate drivers for the first three or four listed devices (sometimes, a dot one older version works best).