SSD: Samsung Vs. OCZ - 128GB

i see there is price difference when i looked them up at ebay, any feature comparison for the two?

Thanks

 

OCZ's core based SSD's use the Jmicron data controller, which is terrible. It stutters and is the weakest part of the SSD.
Samsung uses their own controllers which do not have this problem.
Unfortunately the Samsung drives are more expensive, but they are usually a better choice.

My comment was general, so to be more specific, which two SSD's are you looking into?
Each SSD is different, so knowing the exact drives you are looking at will be very helpful for making comparisons

K-TRON

 

Samung is better

 

im looking at samsung 128GB SSD i believe i would go for it

my plan is to have it as main disk then get another bigger HDD to be into bay drive for storage or maybe even external disk via USB for storage

im currently having 160GB HDD and using around 30GB only for linux another 30 for vista (no data only windows files lol i need to keep it sometimes to boot into windows) and 70GB free almost so 128GB would do just great for me for time being.

so samsung it is ? btw its a thinkpad W500

 

I have had excellent results with the samsung 128GB SSD (From Dell).
The controller technology seems to be second only to Intel's.
However if you can wait a month or so more, i suggest you wait for the 256GB SSD being released. (in mass production since late Nov.).

Other than being twice as large, the controller and architecture was massively improved offering around three times the performance for reads and writes.

Ofcourse the pricing and availability may take a few months (6?)..... Unless you can buy one in S. Korea, in which case they should be available in around a month for ~700$.

 

Ha! It's next to impossible to find high end hardware in this country, even in the biggest electronic markets. All they sell is low to mid for everything, I've spent 3 months trying to find a 7200rpm drive, period.

 

Im not sure about Canada, but the US is not so bad atleast for laptops.
For everything else.. (digital camera, phones) US is teh suck..

 

i dont have a budget of $700, i think i'll live with the $299 128GB for now then

thanks guys

 

If you are thinking of OCZ SSDs, you should reconsider getting an SSD altogether. there have been numerous reports of unsuable stuttering issues with that controller.
You are better of getting a 320GB 7200RPM drive for ~100$ rather than the OCZ drive.

There have been some suggestions using steadystate or something in the OCZ forums however, again I suggest you proceed with Caution.

 

Only the OCZ mlc drives have the problem OCZ slc drives are rebranded samsungs...

 

You found a samsung 128gb for 300? Where?

 

so http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380085371405 is a samsung drive re-branded as OCZ ?

 

No. Price alone dictates that it is a OCZ MLC drive (aka the sh!tty drive).
Buy this or give me $300 and I will send you a 4,600rpm drive that outperforms this OCZ SSD.

PLEASE PEOPLE, DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING SIMPLE (AND STUPID) QUESTIONS!

 

Not with Steadystate.

 

steadystate is not the holy grail. it may fix the stuttering but you still pay. you pay when you commit the data to the drive at the next reboot.

 

there are lots of samdung 128GB selling at $300-$450 on auctions are they also drives ?!

 

Sh!tty MLC >>> 4600 rpm HDD

 

first off, their are no 4600rpm drives made, and even the slowest SSD drives are faster than mechanical drives because of their <1ms seek time.
The problem with SSD's today is the memory controllers.
Almost every MLC drive uses Jmicron memory controllers, which result in stuttering and hangs.
The SLC drives are much more expensive because the memory controllers are made by Samsung, and they do not have this stuttering problem.
If you want an SSD save up for a SLC drive because the hangs caused from a MLC drive would drive anyone crazy.

K-TRON

 

how to identify if the samsung / OCZ drive is SLC or MLC from ebay/amazon/newegg/buy.com listing ?

 

There is no 128GB SLC OCZ Drive. The stickied SSD thread will have more information on what you are looking for.

 

Also, most MLC drives have much slower write speeds compared to write speeds.

 

I tried an MLC (Patriot SSD) in a (Lenovo x60t) Core 2 Duo 1.5GHz with 3GB RAM.
Next to that a (Dell Latitude x300) Pentium M 1.2GHz with 2GB RAM and a 4600rpm (DO YOUR RESEARCH) was screaming fast in normal usage.

So the slowest HDDs are faster than the MLC SSDs.
If you read the SSD thread, you will see that there are circumstances where HDDs blast even fast SLC SSDs out of the water (this was in a random write test).

 

sitecharts, before you say do your research, maybe you should provide a link. K-tron knows quite a bit about hard drives and personally, I've only seen 4200 RPM drives (mostly in 1.8" drives), 5400 RPM (mostly in 2.5"), 7200 RPM, 10000 RPM and 15000 RPM. Also, read and write speeds aren't everything. Access times are important and in every SSD, they are an order or more of magnitude larger than any mechanical hard drive. Considering you only have 37 posts and joined last month, maybe you should read the thread a little more...

 

If you love MLC SSDs so much why don't you buy them all?
Might I suggest that the SSD thread has as many posts because MLC SSD performance is lacking?
A 16 year old probably doesn't understand that.

I find it quite amusing that you base expertise on the number of posts in this forum. Maybe you should take shoe size into consideration too.

 

so in a nutshell this is a crap drive http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...ucts/flash/ssd/2008/down/SATA_3.0Gbps_MLC.pdf ?

 

Samsung MLCs are great, as are Intels.

They both use proprietary controllers, unlike Jmicron controllers used in all other MLC SSDs

 

slower write speeds compared to read speed or slower read speed compared to write speed ?

 

Slower Write Speeds compared to Read speeds.

 

Actually this is true of ALL SSDs and HDDs.

 

True.

Bashar was looking for clarification on sgogeta4's write/write statement.

 

A lot of SLC drives have similar read/write speeds, while MLC drives tend to have a bigger differential. Memoright has faster write than read speeds, Mtron has about equal (SLC), while like OCZ has 170MB/s read but like 70MB/s write (MLC). That's what I meant by having a large difference with a lot slower write speed to read speed.

As stated before, the problem with MLC drives isn't their speed but their controller. If you have ever seen my posts, I clearly prefer SLC over MLC, so I don't see how you can say I "love" MLC drives. I don't base my comments strictly on post count but rather on content of the posters. So far I haven't seen that much useful or knowledgeable posts that you have contributed to this forum. All I asked for was some proof of your 4600 RPM drive, which you have yet to show.