Samsung 470 SSD Series Thread

New firmware is FW_AXM09B1Q
New Magician Utility 1.2

This new version Magician utility 1.2 will format and load Firmware update on usb stick-new feature -makes it bootable. The updates come thru old magician utility.


Cheers
3Fees

 

Just got back and updated my firmware,,new feature- its now non-destructive,,no need to install backup !,,,
Installing new firmware took about a minute. My usb stick is a high speed Patriot.

Cheers
3Fees

 

Just benchmarked my SSD SATA II:

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 250.566 MB/s
Sequential Write : 182.105 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 198.403 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 203.523 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 18.098 MB/s [ 4418.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 45.325 MB/s [ 11065.7 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 131.458 MB/s [ 32094.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 46.950 MB/s [ 11462.5 IOPS]

Test : 50 MB [C: 38.8% (23.1/59.6 GB)] (x3)
Date : 2011/05/08 18:05:38
OS : Windows 7 Home Premium Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

The firmware update improved my Samsung 470 SSD's performance.

Cheers
3Fees

 

Ah, it's still a destructive firmware flash from my SSD's revision. Oh well, I'll eventually flash it when I reformat, maybe in a year or so.

 

@3Fees
Do you have the 64 GB version?
I have the 128 GB version and my write scores are much better.

 

Samsung 470 64gb do 250/170 plus,,128gb-256gb do 250/220, consistently.

Cheers
3Fees

 

Do you have a before result?

 

I went from AXM08B1Q to AXM09B1Q firmware revision no destruction of data,,what firmware revision you have ? I have the same SSD you have,,Samsung 470 Series 64Gb.

Cheers
3Fees

Yes, as is shown in the benchmark, I listed-The "Test" Line, it gives actual size of SSD in Gb, ect.
Whats your scores ?,,post your Crystal Disk Mark results.

Cheers
3Fees

Yes,,its in my posts about my Samsung 470 Series SSD. Probably different test size in MB though.
The current test results shown are fresh after the "NEW" non destructive firmware revision update,, they will probably get a little higher, the other firmware updates did. Samsung engineers upped the ante and matched non destructive firmware updates,,plus improved the easiness of firmware updating through new Magician Utility,,

Cheers
3Fees

 

@3Fees
Left before, right after FW upgrade.
It seems they increased the 4K writes.

 

I just replaced my crucial m225 (RMA) with a 470 256 GB which already has this new firmware.
I'm really impressed by the speed (feel) of this SSD compared to the Intel X25M/Crucial M225 I placed in the same notebook.
And my notebook is 6 years old! and SATA1.
Sammy rules for me.

 

Hi guys, I just got the 256gb 470 and it has the AXM08B1Q on it. Im having trouble updating with the ssd magician 1.2. I create the stick but when i boot from it i get a partition table error.

I tried a couple of different sticks but still the same error. I also tried making my own bootable usb and then letting ssd magician put the firmware on it and the update utility does boot but it is so blurry I can hardly read it and am afraid to use it. Any advice or help is appreciated

 

Try to create/delete a partition on the SSD, maybe this will fix it. Another option could be to Secure Erase the SSD.

 

Hi guys !
It seems that I can't update my 128Go PM810 with the latest firmware...
I bought it on Ebay, and I think that it must be a Dell OEM item...
Its firmware is AXM0601Q
I've tried to update it with Samsung Magician 1.1 and 1.2 but when scanning the flashing software doesn't recognize any SSD...
I remember that it was possible to update Dell OEM PM800 with Samsung firmware.
Does anybody have an idea on how to perform it with a PM810 ?

 

You have to get the update by Dell!

 

I have always used this site from Samsung to create a ISO Disc to boot from.
TTS/HSN

However, they have not yet added the new F/W to it. Are you guys 100% sure it is non destructive?

If they did change it then kudo's to Samsung! I have always disliked, and wondered why they made it destructive in the past. I have never even tried to use or make a bootable USB Disc.

 

You can get the FW from site
Samsung
There is also following note
(Note, Firmware update from AXM07B1Q and AXM08B1Q to AXM09B1Q doesn''t erase your data on SSD.)

 

Sorry, I missed that. I am going to update my FW this morning. I do not believe in making a copy of my current OS and then updating the FW and reloading the previous OS. Now we don't have to worry about that now that it is non destructive.
I am sure I will be back on here soon looking for help on making USb bootable with the new FW on it Like I said, never had to do that before.

 

From Magician Utility 1.2 click F/W update,,click browse(top one) and find your usb 2.0 stick( you put into usb 2 slot,my usb drive was empty ) and click it-then click okay,,next click browse(bottom one) and go to where the firmware update was download too,FW_AXM09B1Q click FW-then click okay,then click make usb disk bootable(below the browse buttons),then click start and accept free dos license and then watch the progress bar, it will be done fast,,your done ready to update your Samsung 470 series,,make sure your bios passes boot to this same usb 2-thumb-flash-ect-drive(leave it plugged in)..and then passes boot to your Samsung SSD after the firmware update(remove usb 2 stick), a little bios work, maybe, I enter my bios to check it out and adjust boot sequence by key F1-press on startup(Move around in the bios by arrow keys and save setting F10 on mine when boot sequence is proper),,read the instructions on moving up and down boot devices in bios mine are on the right side in boot area of BIOS,,I checked mine , my usb stick was in first boot device without any adjustments and after removal, normal boot sequence was done automatically boot from dvd/cd then Samsung SSD ,,Nice to have a IBM/Lenovo Notebook,, ,,YES-I updated my firmware on my Samsung 470 SSD and it insisted on booting itself by bypassing my Partition Wizard Disk(still a good disk) in my DVD/CD Drive,this is how I found out it was Non-Destructive firmware update,, nice IBM/Lenovo/Samsung/Partition Wizard/Windows 7/ect./Me- feature,, ,technically the bios found Windows 7 installation in tact , too make a long story short,,

jhan1 and toyo,,post your crystal disk marks for Samsung 470 SSD after firmware update,,that way 64gb,128gb and 256gb CDM benchmarks will be up,,nice to see the differences,,,,

Cheers
3Fees

 

Thanks for the very nice instructions. Mine did not go as easy as yours though
After I hit the start button to create the USB Boot Disc I kept getting an error stating that a file was missing. I believe it was something like .rpt I must have downloaded that freakin FW file 10 times until I started to dig deeper. I ended up going into my Program Files under the Samsung Magician and I found that file. I copy and pasted that file into the FW file and then it worked great. There are 4 files in that FW that you must have. Remember this if anybody has a problem. I had called Samsung before I found that file and they were clueless. I actually had found it while I was on hold with the guy.

Do we have any idea what changes were made in this FW? It sure did come quick after the previous one. I ran my As SSD Benchmark and was not all that impressed. I had some before and after tests saved and it actually was lower than before in some areas. I will load the Crystal benchmark and post my results.

It seems as if my system is running in SATA 1.5 mode!

Thanks again for all your help.

 

This is awful! Now you see why I think that something just is not right?

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 133.339 MB/s
Sequential Write : 130.032 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 114.183 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 129.066 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 12.812 MB/s [ 3127.9 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 26.894 MB/s [ 6565.9 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 87.178 MB/s [ 21283.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 64.319 MB/s [ 15703.0 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [C: 29.2% (69.6/238.4 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2011/05/17 10:36:44
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x86)

 

Looks like SATA 1 mode

 

How in the world can it be SATA 1? I'm not disputing your statement, i'm just confused. I will be calling Panasonic today that's for sure! In my BIOS

 

In my BIOS all it says is SATA/AHCI. There is no way to change it, it's on the 1st page under the Info section. I'm not disputing you at all, just very confused. I will call Panasonic and ask them. In the specs it does not say anything about it.
My CPU is a Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo SL9300 @ 1.60GHz
Penryn 45nm Technology

 

Check with a tool like HWiNFO32 what's the speed of your SATA/AHCI connection!

 

No doubt toyo that your chipset is on sata 150mb/s mode,,my notebook toggles between sata 150 and sata 300 depending on the sata device,standard intel 4 series chipset, You have an intel chipset , do you have the latest intel inf and irst installed ? My intel chipset raises and lowers voltage for the sata drive after they do the "handshake" and the chipset finds out wether sata 150 or sata 300 is installed...

Files mentioned:

inf file is 4/21/2011 9.2.0.1030
irst file is 12/15/2010 10.1.0.1008

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sea...®+4+Series+Express+Chipset+Family&ProdId=2991



Check the version of the inf file on panasonic website,,the above one is the latest,,,also from what you mentioned you should be able to choose in the bios sata/achi mode for the drive installed. Latest graphics driver is also in the intel download link, if you need to update this as well.


Heres alink from intel to automatically detect and help update intel graphics drivers and other intel drivers.

http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect/graphics

Cheers
3Fees


As far as I can tell you have an Intel GS45 chipset,

http://www.buytough.com/tb_30.asp

And Support Sata 300:Read pdf specs,short version is in "product briefs" "mobile intel ect,,gl40,gm45,gs45:support Sata 300 The long version is in pdf file :Intel® I/O Controller Hub 9 (ICH9) Family Datasheet ,
same page

http://www.intel.com/Products/Notebook/Chipsets/GS45/GS45-technicaldocuments.htm

 

3Fees- I appreciate your time on this, I really do. Last night on the way home from work I installed the HWiNFO32 and read the specs of it all. It did say SATA 3.0.
You are correct in the specs. I do have the GS45. Panasonic's biggest weakness is driver updating. After they come out with a newer version of a TB they sorta forget about us in regards to the drivers. However, I can call then up an dtell them my laptop is not working right and I will either have a new one or mine back in 3 days and that is after for 5 years. So I don't complain too much. Here is the 2nd headache of it. The Fn Keys that help me quickly adjust the screen brightness, volume, etc. When my screen brightness goes to 1000 I adjust it alot! If I don't install some of Panasonic's driver's in the proper order then the Fn keys will not work correctly. If I manualy adjust the brightness in the Power Plan then it does not stay, it pops right back to where I had it.

I did install the Intel IRST driver in my other Toughbook the other day, and my SSD scores did not change at all. I was doing some reading on Intel's sight and was getting a litle confused. What is with the F6 install? Is that something I must do?

I will go and install the latest Intel stuff right now. I can always go backwards if needed. I'll do some testing and see what happens!

BTW, in my other TB that I am using right now I have the Intel G2 SSD in it. It is alot snappier than the Samsung 470. Plus, it is 1 year older and has less power.

I will play around and show you some tests.

 

Here is the Crystal run on my Intel SSD. I set the Power Plan to Performance at the Default setting. Which got me thinking about something when I did that. I always will change the CPU min power from 100% to 5% whenever I am running in the Performance Plan. Will that have a huge effect? I hate to put my CPU at always 100%.

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 251.096 MB/s
Sequential Write : 84.325 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 196.304 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 88.246 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 16.038 MB/s [ 3915.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 26.241 MB/s [ 6406.4 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 156.236 MB/s [ 38143.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 82.859 MB/s [ 20229.2 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [C: 38.6% (28.0/72.6 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2011/05/19 7:09:42
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x86)

 

Since you have Sata 300 working,,you should get from Samsung 470 Series,
(Read-Write Speeds)250Mb/s-220Mb/s,You may want to Contact Samsung technical support and get there input as well as why the speeds are less than 250/220. I have my power plan at "balanced" and it gets near or better than advertised speeds, consistently. The F6 install is for installing Intel raid drivers-when Windows 7 is being installed, no need for concern unless your running raid and have ICH9-r I/O controller hub. I'm not sure why the brightness on your screen varies,,I know on mine it dims because of the power plan being balanced,Windows 7 has features in it to lower voltage to compatible devices when they are not under load-being used after certain time and then powers them up thru power states available for the current load on devices. You can put your power plan up to "High Performance" and run CDM benchmark on the Samsung 470 SSD drive and then put power plan back where you want it, after testing it to see if this results in better scores. I see also your running X86 -32 bit operating system,,I run 64 Bit,,I'm not sure if this has a bearing on the Samsung 470 series scores, probably doesn't.

Cheers
3Fees

 

Here are my scores for a Samsung 470 128 GB:

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 251.246 MB/s
Sequential Write : 247.073 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 190.650 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 243.976 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 16.762 MB/s [ 4092.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 49.917 MB/s [ 12186.7 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 128.089 MB/s [ 31271.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 71.266 MB/s [ 17399.0 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [C: 10.3% (12.2/119.2 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2011/05/19 15:46:12
OS : Windows 7 SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

The read scores are about the same, but the writes differ significant.
Did you proper align your partitions berfore installing the OS?
You can check the alignments of them with a small tool I attached.
Just unzip to a folder and click on "runme". It opens a window where you can see the alignments of your partitions.

 

You can install Windows 7 on a RAID volume without the F6 option, as Windows 7 contains already an Intel Raid Driver for Intel RAID chipsets.
It's a version from Intel Matrix Storage(the predecessor of Intel Rapid Storage), so I advice to always update to the newest Intel Rapid Storage driver.

 

The file below contains the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 10.1.0.1008 files for 32-bit operating systems. They can be used to create a floppy in order to pre-install the Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver during the F6 portion of Windows* setup. The F6 installation method is not required for Microsoft Windows Vista* or Microsoft Windows 7*.

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Det...ng&OSVersion=Windows 7, 32-bit*&DownloadType=

Yes,,I see thats true,yet on first page Intel writes :" Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 10.1.0.1008 files for 32-bit OS - used to preinstall RAID driver (F6 during Windows* setup) OS: Windows 7, 32-bit*, Windows Server 2003*, Windows....More Windows 7, 32-bit*, Windows Server 2003*, Windows Vista*, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition*, Windows XP*,, on the second page they say its not required for Vista or Windows 7,,lol,, ,,continuation of the asterick *,, ,,Intel is not known for grammatical correctness,,just chipsets,processors,drivers, ect from value to high end in bulk and retail.

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sea...et+Family&ProdId=2991&LineId=1088&FamilyId=40

Cheers
3Fees

However,,I see what Intel was doing,,since Windows 7 comes preinstalled,some oems may have omitted the file,so they burning the candle at both ends so as to speak for all events,,lol,,

 

Just for kicks, what driver are you showing under Properties on the 470? Just curious. I will run some tests with tweaking of the Power plans in a little while. Gotta get some work done first.

 

Thanks for that alignment tool! That's pretty neat. I am all aligned Even my IronKey USB Drive is!

 

Under properties in Device Manager - Disk Drive ,
its Microsoft 6.1.7600.16385 ,write caching is enabled under policies
Under Properties in Device Manager-IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
its Intel(R) ICH9M-E/M SATA AHCI Controller 10.1.2.1004

To check alignment on your SSD Click windows orb,type "System Information",expand components-then storage-highlight disks-20th entry-first group-Partition Starting Offset 1,048,576 bytes-your aligned.

Windows 7 Automatically aligns SSD's,,

Cheers
3Fees

 

Thanks for the info. Mine has the same MS driver. With the Controller being
Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller
It used to say Intel? Now I gotta look into that......

 

Ok, I just updated to the latest .inf from Intel. Now it says
Intel(R) ICH9M/M-E Family 4 Port SATA AHCI Controller - 2929

So, before I do anything else is there anything else I should do or verify?

 

Here is my latest Crystal Run. My Power Plam is set to Performance Defaut.

 

Look here same problem then solved...

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Intel RST causing SSD to drop to 1.5 Gb/s (SATA I)

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After a fresh install of the OS and only installing a couple of patches from WU, I tried Crystal Mark, the sequential read is about 220 and the write is about 215 or so.

After installing drivers and applications (drive is probably around 50% full). I ran CrystalMark again, but this time, I am averaging around 133MB/s for both read/write.

Upon looking futher into the issue, it seems like that after installing Intel RST, the driver drops me into 1.5 Gbps mode for the SSD.


Is this just a matter of unsupported hardware by the RST? -- I am currently running a Samsung 470 SSD 256GB on Intel(R) ICH8M-E/ICH9M-E SATA RAID Controller (single drive).

Currently reverted back to 8.6.2.1012 (windows default driver), but I've also tried the 9.6 version, performance was identical to 10.1.0.1008.

Benchmark shown here:
The red bars are 8.6.2.1012 while the blue is 10.1.0.1008


Now I am caught wondering if this is an issue with just Intel RST or the SSD or even the laptop BIOS itself.


Can anyone provide any futher insight into the matter?

Thanks.

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After wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much formatting/reinstalling. Uninstalling storage drivers, etc etc. I've finally figured out why it was dropping me to 1.5 Gbps -- seems like that the RST drivers when installed on a laptop it enables a feature to 'power save' -- Link Power Management (LPM)

The fix was to change in the registry
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\iaStorV\Par ameters\Port0 (corrosponding port that you are having the problem with. Change the LPM DWORD value to 0, and it'll disable the LPM and put it back into 3.0 Gbps intead of 1.5 Gbps.

Posted for posterity's sake in case anyone ever have this same issue.

Caused me over 24 hours of grief.

Intel RST causing SSD to drop to 1.5 Gb/s (SATA I) - [H]ard|Forum

Call Panasonic and or Samsung Technical support and have them walk you thru this or similar registry repair,then post them results,,,

It now looks like a registry repair to the power function will toggle Sata II up from Sata I and will get you up and running at Sata(II), 3Gb/s . Makes sense as when Sata II device "handshakes" with ICH9-ect power increases from Sata I to Sata II,some registry entry is preventing this handshake from being realized.
Same principle as two modems talking to each other and then agree on send/recieve speed-Handshaking on it ,, ,,chipset-drive-driver-bios- problems are logical as well. Here the Handshake is about sata I and sata II power and both agreeing on it,,something has caused the handshake to agree to Sata I,,instead of Sata II-the correct agreement and handshake on it.,,,

Cheers
3Fees

 

Awesome, maybe you are onto something. I know how to edit my registry, just not too sure I have the string correct. Here is a snap shot of mine at the spot you mentioned. I am not sure which one would be the proper Dword.

 

Those are exactly the same registry entries I have,except* see my next post,, run atto benchmark,,some people have complained about crystal bench mark scores, then running atto,,everything was fine..download-extract-run,que depth 4 is fine,scores change as que depth varies, ,,at a set que depth-your scores will be lower to highest and then lower as the "stripe size-transfer size" is increased...atto is used to configure raid stripe size for highest performance,,however works perfectly well with non-raided drives.. ,,write down and post the stripe size for a few tests and the corresponding write/read.



http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1749/ATTO_Disk_Benchmark_v2.46.html

My Best with atto246: que depth 4--run program as it first loads to benchmark your samsung 470 256 Gb.

transfer write read
size

256.0 187122 268789



If scores are okay,,your done,,if not then panasonic or samsung needs to address it. Atto is a trusted utility and will get technical supports attention,,tell them your scores if not okay,,, ,,You deserve to have advertised speeds,,dont settle for less.. ,,I would give Samsung a call first,,,, ,,they can determine the ssd's health status,,

Cheers
3Fees

 

I see,,,I found the problem,,its in your registry. In between iaStor and iaStorV,,there should be IAStorDataMgrSvc folder(no sub folders),,I RST did not load right and it should be running and on automatic start ,,heres what I have in my registry..

IAStorDataMgrSvc folder in Registry

Name,, Type ,, Data

Default ,, REG_Z ,, (value not set)
DelayedAutoStart ,, REG_DWORD ,, 0x00000001 (1)
DependonService ,, REG_MULTI_SZ ,, winmgmt
Description ,, REG_SZ ,, Provides storage event notification and manages communication between the storage driver and user space applications. ((This is one line))
DisplayName ,, REG_SZ ,, Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology((This is one line))
ErrorControl ,, REG_DWORD ,, 0x00000001 (1)
ImagePath ,, REG_EXPAND_SZ ,, "C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe" ((On One Line))
ObjectName ,, REG_SZ ,, LocalSystem
Start ,, REG_DWORD ,, 0x00000002 (2)
Type ,, REG_DWORD ,, 0x00000010 (16)
WOW64 ,, REG_DWORD ,, 0x00000001 (1)

I have ControlSet(001) +(002) , both are the same. I'm running Win7 64bit with its natural 32bit programs. There is a folder that was not created for I RST and its registry entries,,the programs have to be where the registry,,says, try installing it again,,,turn off virus scanner,registry blockers(if any),,,make sure Intel rapid storage technology is "started" and on "automatic" in services(local) section of administrative tools-component services,,find in control panel,,, ,,Intel rapid storage icon (hidden) right corner of screen-arrow pointing up,,should be there among other hidden icons and have a green checkmark thru it. Mine takes a while to go "green", can be prompted to go green by opening the application--I RST from its Icon, right click, mouse over(highlight).left click, accept uac,,intel rapid storage technology control panel should appear with your samsung 470 ssd 256GB in it,ect.It should show your drive,,current status,,green checkmark thru a drive icon,,and say "Your system is functioning normally" next line,,"Your system is configured to enable advanced SATA features for optimal power management and increased storage performance." Contact Intel customer support(e-mail support) and tell them about this I RST not loading right,,they'll make a case number and help you solve this problem....Panasonic and Samsung tech support is good to contact too,,the more the merrier,,

It appears Panasonic power management is running the SSD not Intel Rapid Storage Technology..

Cheers
3Fees

 

There is a program that is installed called Panasonic Power Management. It appears as one of your choices for a Power Plan. I don't use it though? I wonder if it is still doing some things in the background? I am going to uninstall it before I do anything else. I usually use ATTO, not Crystal, so I am familier with it. I wonder how well the Samsung Optimazation tool works.

I really appreciate all your efforts into helping me. I will have some free time in the morning to call Samsung and Panasonic to get some balls moving. I'll keep you posted.

 

Samsung Optimization tool is for operating systems that dont have trim function,,Windows 7 has this built in and manages the optimization. Samsung 470 Series support trim. If a person was running Vista, Windows XP,ect for instance with samsung 470 series, this tool would do the trim operation for Vista, Windows XP,ect.

Performance Degradation Over Time, Wear, and Trim

Support and Q&A for Solid-State Drives - Engineering Windows 7 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

Cheers
3Fees

 

Here is my ATTO scores.

 

This is after I uninstalled the IRST then installed it again. Here is what it is reporting. Look at the SATA 1.5Gbps

 

SATA transfer rate should be 3.0Gb/s . Now you can show Panasonic tech support the problem.

Cheers
3Fees

 

One other note-an edit,,,IRST is storage driver for intel raid and single SATA specification drive AHCI capable running thru intel chipsets ,,IRST does not decide SATA 150 or SATA 300 power ,,the chipset ICH9M does by handshaking as mentioned earlier and Windows 7 manages it.. IRST for a single drive enables NCQ and hot swapping

Intel® Rapid Storage Technology — What is Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI)?

Either a bios entry or a different program has limited Samsung 470 SSD 256GB to SATA 150 Mode, It has told ICH9M(directly or indirectly) to agree to SATA 150 even though the SSD signaled the ICH9M chipset its SATA 300. The other event would be somehow the SSD is stuck on SATA 150 and not SATA 300,so the ICH9M is running power at SATA 150 to the SSD. With the wide variances of power to various SATA 300 devices( SSD's and HDD's),,Panasonic may have limited or capped storage devices to SATA 150 to conserve battery power. Since I see no mention of these limitations,, your standing is good !! Panasonic is world renown for it Panasonic Senior Partner Computer System,,the best of its day,they made adjustments to them,,they'll work it out,,the customer is always right,,, ,,,Panasonic is a diverisifed company that makes lots of products.. ,,Time for my Liquid Refreshment, credit where credit is due for that statement,,If tech support is rather limited,keeping going upward,the higher you contact the more he or she can do for you,line,staff,management positions and all that good stuff, If you cant get anywhere with technical support--they are circling the wagons so as to speak,
Chief of all manufacturing operations(not just computers) is logical executive to contact,,this is probably new to him and he can assist and get them to uncircle the wagons and solve the problem,.

Cheers
3Fees

 

3FEES, You are a trip

This is exacly what I have discovered in the last few days. Panasonic capped the SATA Controller at 1.5 to conserve battery life. I can understand it to a certain degree, but I have some questions I would like to know from them or someone.
What is the power draw difference between the 2?
Before the hardware manufactures, ie Intel, started developing ultra low level power, low level and such it's understandable why they did this, but now they do not consume the power like they did in the past.
Is there a BIOS setting or F/W version that they can do to change it with my consent knowing the power draw will be more?

There newset Toughbook model is the CF-53 Business Class Rugged. I was suprised to see USB 3.0 in it! I am curios to know if that model is SATA 3.0. They are not known for using the latest technology until they know it is 100% tried and true, reliable, etc. This is just ONE of the reasons why they have the most reliable laptops in the industry by a huge margin. We, Toughbook owners, have to accept that we are not using the most powerful, latest and greatest technology that is out there. I am willing to accept that in return for the other positives I gain by owning them.

I am off today from work, so I will have a chance to call them. I'll let you know what they say!

 

Hey guys,

having the same problem with the samsung 470 SSD I was pointed to this thread just yesterday.

so first of all: thanks a lot!! After uninstalling intel RST and reverting back to windows drivers I got full speed on my SSD. However I had to uninstall it as the registry fix didnt work for me: the value was already set to 0. Any ideas why this could have been the case?

I mean I'm fine now, but are ther any downsides not having intel RST and intel driver running?

thanks,

silent

 

What is the power draw difference between the 2?

Effectively none, if its the latest Seagate Momentus Series 7200.4 or Western Digital latest Scorpio Black and Blue Series,,they both feature advertise Sata 300 speed at Sata 150 power essentially.

Is there a BIOS setting or F/W version that they can do to change it with my consent knowing the power draw will be more?

There is none advertised that I have seen,,the Bios is a complex item,,one can limit the processors the bios recognizes by a list in the bios and thus will run ,ect.

There are software bios tools that can fully expand the bios to be configured,,however, these cost plenty plenty, the manufacturers at there refurbushing site have these software tools and the associated machines running them, at this station they do the bios flashups according to manufacturers specifications, they are nothing like what consumers use to update bios, they use a hardware machine that has the bios software in it for each model its going to program and runs tests and checks on all bios active features.

It is possible to adjust this bios program to allow the chipset to "Handshake" with Sata 150 and Sata 300 and thus run them at specifications, however,,I think the manufacturer is the best source for this,
The line people need an order from Management to reprogram your bios-if this is where the problem is,, which is more than likely. If they have too, they can unsolder the bios chip if necessary or replace it in its holder and then program the bios-non destructively to the hard drive so that the "Cap" on Sata instructions is removed surgically so as to speak. Its a tough job however Line personnel can step up to the task and make it happen, I'm sure with management oversight........

Note: If the bios has been hard saved or hard programmed for this feature,,then bios replacement is the option,,as the bios can only add minor bios updates that have not been "Hard" Saved,,they can program the bios only in the "soft" save area of it. Bios chip replacement may be the safest way.....by the manufacturer-Panasonic. I'm not sure if a program can be installed that would reroute bios instructions and let the "handshake" protocols resume at SATA 150 or 300 for the primary drive and the ICH9M chipset.

It appears to me that this "cap" is being implemented by Windows 7(directly or indirectly),, possibly thru Microsoft System Management BIOS driver or ACPI:

ACPI aims to consolidate and improve upon existing power and configuration standards for hardware devices.[1] It provides a transition from existing standards to entirely ACPI-compliant hardware, with some ACPI operating systems already removing support for legacy hardware.[2] With the intention of replacing Advanced Power Management, the MultiProcessor Specification and the Plug and Play BIOS Specification,[3] the standard brings power management into operating system control (OSPM), as opposed to the previous BIOS central system, which relied on platform-specific firmware to determine power management and configuration policy.[4]



Advanced Configuration and Power Interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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