Samsung EVO msata temps

Hi,

New P150SMA laptop with a 120gb Samsung msata drive.

It's running hotter than I'm comfortable with.

I idle at 48-52C.
CSGO: 61C
CrystalDiskMark: 71C

My reseller is insistent on temps being within normal ranges for the drive. 0-70C

As a comparison, Samsung 128gb 840 pro Ssd in my other laptop idles at 28-32C. With CrystalDiskMark benchmark it got up to 47C max.

Anyone else experiencing these types of temps with the EVO drive?

Doesn't the drive throttle itself at 70c?

Help is appreciated.
Cheers

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Afaik, all SSD's throttle at 70C.

I've returned SSD's for running cooler than your idle temps (M500).

This is not a system I would accept. A full return and refund is in order (unless you can swap a new EVO in the next 24 hrs to check and still be within the full return period).


One thing that I would make the reseller very clear about: you don't want to waste time and money (shipping fees) while they try to get the system you expected.

Get a full refund and then if you want; continue dealing with them.

Don't forget it may be the configuration of the system too (with that insane gpu) - but it doesn't matter how it performs now; it will eventually self destruct at those temps sooner rather than later (and I'd bet right after the warranty expired).


Good luck.

 

Thanks for your reply. Yeah I'm going to give the reseller a call tomorrow. I did email them twice regarding temps and they are sticking with the temps are normal for the drive. It doesn't seem normal to be.

It's not the configuration, temps for CPU are in 40-45C and Its using the integrated Gpu

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Which program are you using to monitor the SSD temperature?

HWiNFO reports that my 1TB EVO mSATA struggles to reach 50C.

John

 

A) You have a closed off SSD with a metal chassis in a notebook
B) You have a mSATA SSD without any protection in a different notebook

You can`t compare the two SSDs temperature like that. Because in scenario A you have a metal chassis that protects the sensors against heat from other hardware in your notebook. Like CPU and GPU that creates a lot of heat. In scenario B you have a SSD that is directly in touch with the heat from other heat sources (GPU/CPU/DDR3) and the sensors will pick up on that. The mSATA SSD in scenario B might be closer to these heat sources too than in scenario A.

Samsung spec sheets reveal the following for mSATA EVO:
Operating: 0°C to 70°C
Non-Operating: -40°C to 85°C

71C is perhaps on the edge of the drive`s thresshold, but if 71C is the all time highest, you could be safe. The drive may not throttle at 71C, it could be a limit to where Samsung can guarantee the life expectancy of the parts on your SSD.

Try reading S.M.A.R.T information and see what your all time highest temperature is.
Here is mine:

 

Thanks for your reply. They are both Clevo laptops so component placing is practically identical. Tests were run when CPU was cool and dgpu was not used. Your right in that the metal chassis on the Ssd means it will have lower temps. I don't expect those temps for the msata but I didn't expect msata temps to be so high regardless. It's hitting temps 30C higher.

What do you use to read Smart info?

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@John I'm using HWMonitor 64bit version

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Use Samsung Magician. One the top right you have "S.M.A.R.T" which gives you the window I posted

 

Thank you.

That gives the same values as HWiNFO. Both report the idle temperature of my EVO mSATA as 36C.

It's interesting that Samsung Magician gives the current value as 64 but the raw data as 36 (same as the other two programs). 100 = 36 = 64.

It's even more interesting that when the SSD is stressed and the temperature reported by HWmonitor / HWiNFO go up (I managed to get a peak of 48C from running CDM) then the current temperature value reported by Samsung Magician goes down. (Note that you need to exit Samsung Magician and restart it in order to see any change in the temperature data it reports).

John

 

@Cloudfire

Thanks.

Here is my S.M.A.R.T reading using Samsung Magician.

Worst Temp Value: 100C - 29C = 71C
Current Temp Value: 100C - 52C = 48C

 

Meh, I think you are safe. That S.M.A.R.T data just revealed it haven`t gone over 71C for the entire time you have used the notebook since S.M.A.R.T data is logged at all times.
70C or 71C, don`t think that matters at all. Try looking at the temps when gaming and your everyday activities. The temps are probably lower than 71C. CrystalDiskMark is just a artificial stress test anyway.

Well atleast we can conclude that all the monitor programs report the same = reliable. So thats good. Not surprising though since they just read the data from the sensors anyway.

 

I've only used the laptop a handful of times. It's about a week old. The CrystalDiskMark benchmark was to simulate writing of data to the drive (small and large files).

I'll be doing that soon when moving my 1TB from my old laptop to the new one. Only reason I have not done that yet is in the event I have the send the laptop back.


When gaming with not very cpu and gpu intensive games, I get a temp of 60C-62C. Everyday temps will be lower than 71C - that is a given. Idle at roughly 48-52C most of the time. When web browsing and doing other work it probably goes up to 55C. Some days it is lower due to cooler ambient temps (i.e. when I use the laptop late at night).

One thing I'll try is moving the msata to the secondary slot under the hard drive. That could possibly reduce temps.

 

Just an update. My reseller (metabox) considered the msata faulty and is sending me a replacement . I'll post temps of the new one when it gets here.

Edit: moving the msata to the secondary slot did not change temps.

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If anyone is interested replacement msata runs at the same temps. Albeit under benchmark it is actually a few degrees higher due to it being in the msata slot near the gpu. The msata slot under the hdd produces slightly cooler temps under load. Just looks like these msata drives are in general not very cool running.

I've got a 1tb 840 EVO drive here that runs similar temps to my 840 pro Ssd. Must be the nature of msata.

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Yes exactly like I mentioned earlier. Its because of the other hardware in your notebook that share the heat with your mSATA SSD. Non mSATA SSDs have a metal chassis that protects the thermal sensors on the SSD. Anyway it will most likely work out ok because its on the 70C limit, but it will be difficult to prove that the GPU killed it if the SSD dies after a year.

Thanks for the update. Always interesting to read things like this. Have a rep

 

mSATA SSDs are not inherently hot. Mine is currently at 38C.

As already noted, location is a factor. The photos here show that mine is located away from the heat-generating components. Its further helped by having a thermal pad.

You might want to experiment with a thermal pad which could potentially transfer heat to the base of the computer or might just improve heat dissipation.

John