Samsung Magician v4.2

So I been tinkering with the Magician, and uncharacteristic for a hardware manufacturer, it's a neat piece of software with intuitive and stylish interface as well as plenty of functionality, some of which extends to non-Samsung drives. BTW, I couldn't download v4.2 from the site but as soon as I installed 4.1, it updated to 4.2.1 by itself.

However I am struggling to setup the Over Provisioning -- when I click on the recommended radiobox, an activity indicator pops up right next to "Over Provisioning" tab on the left but then it just returns error message: "There is insufficient free space available to set up OP".. For 256GB 830 the recommended size is 10% == 23.85GB.. While I have 179GB free. I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong, but it doesn't look like I can select or change anything on the OP sceeen.. Certainly I can't select partitions or anything. Any ideas?

And another thing, since Magician boots up by itself each time I restart my PC, does it mean it's resident and "taking care" of the SSD? Cause in that case I'd disable Win8 optimization service.

 

I dont think the Magician software does any "live realtime operations" aside form check for new firmware. It is will optimize your OS for you depending on the type of optimization you choose, but those are all changes made to windows settings/registry.

I manually tweak my SSD's and follow the guidelines on ssdreview. So far so good...

I personally don't have magician start and run every time. Juat when I want to check firmware update or ssd health which is not very often.

 

I think lastnikita answered that on the previous page. When partitioning the drive you have to leave some space unpartitioned.

 

Isn't RAPID(Real Time Acceleration Processing of I/O data) Mode, er, um, real time?

 

I assume it would be a service launched, didn't verify it though

 

Yeah I guess so if your using an EVO.

 

I have an EVO, i have Rapid on, still have to do any meaningful test to see if it lives up to the hype. What i want to improve are heavy applications start up time.

 

Please share your findings

Sent from a Galaxy far, far away

 

Indeed, OP requires unpartitioned space. I have learnt though that there is supposedly already some space set aside for it (that's why the SSD is 237GB rather than 256GB). What's confusing is that Magician still lists space allocated for OP as 0.00GB..

 

I would say RAPID is well worth it. Expecially since it stores the memory cache to the SSD during reboots.

A Look At Samsung Magician's RAPID Feature - Samsung 840 EVO SSD: Tested At 120, 250, 500, And 1000 GB

 

I wouldn't go that far just yet. From the conclusion:

A closer look at RAPID DRAM caching on the Samsung 840 EVO SSD - The Tech Report - Page 1

 

Nice techreport link. Seems some places it helps a lot, others it hurts a lot, and in most its effect it minor. I could see some users liking it, some hating it, and most not noticing a difference. Hmm

I didn't see which version they tested. I hope Samsung can smooth out the glitches.

 

Their charts show it's the 500GB.

 

I ran Samsung migration software to clone the operation system to the new 1TB EVO SSD. Running a new Alienware18 laptop, with Rapid enabled (must press button each time 1 miute after startup to allow Magician to run, enabling Rapid Mode). Using10% over provisioning, OS optimization: set to Maximum Performance. It was a little buggy with freeze crashes 1-2 per day, then on the second week of use it would crash every 10 minutes. I then tried a clean install of Windows 8 Pro and now it crashes about every 4 hours of use where it goes into a freeze mode where CNTL+ALT+DEL won't bring it out, have to do a hard shut down with the power button. Only on the 2nd day of testing so I will keep monitoring the results and post any improvements or declines to help others in case they run into this issue. Will switch to Maximum Reliability under OS Optimization if I keep getting crashes and will disable Rapid if that doesn't fix it in attempt to isolate the bug in the system's software. Seq Read = 1144 MB/s (that is super fast, faster than 2xSSD in RAID-0 array), Seq Write = 458 MB/s using Samsung Magician testing.

 

Traderjo, that's about what I expected from RAPID caching software on a real system...

It would be interesting if you could isolate the bugs on your system... but I think the bug is RAPID to begin with. And as long as it is installed (just like all the other caching software out there...) there will be random glitches, freezes, and full corruption of the O/S eventually.

As a side note; while the Seq read shows good results - does it correlate to a real world test (such as opening a large tiff in PS, for example)? As for the writes... ugh... this is what it's like with RAPID enabled? A single SSD does better than that. (TLC is definitely not in the performance race - even with the RAPID crutches trying to bolster it - before it crashes).

Looking forward to see if you have any success with pin-pointing the source of the freezes.


Good luck.

 

Sorry to be blunt but that show how mistaken you are.
That is not what happens with me. I have a W370ST clevo with a 128GB Evo and a 500gb caviar black, W7 64, samsung magician with rapid on or off(tested both) and generally all fast performance on, i also have been testing my page file with zero, 200 or 800mb. No crash at all after almost a month of use, and i use it several hours a day.

 

Bullit, but I didn't reply to you, did I?


As I've mentioned before; caching software is not what it claims to be... i.e. it is buggy. This is the fact.


I truly hope you don't ever see an issue in your specific case.

And, curious: are you still using RAPID on a daily basis?


Take care.

 

You have a made a general comment about EVO-Magician, since i have not the issues you implied are common it is my duty in forum like this to state my case. In a forum you talk to everybody.
Yes i have ticked the Rapid option and that's it.

 

After 5 days of use I have 103GB of info on my EVO, and that's just a few aps and no video files. I'm not sure how you can get by with only 128GB of storage on the EVO. Did you use the Samsung migration software to clone and put the op system on the Evo? This will help me.

 

The only fact here is, you don't know what a fact is.

I also ran RAPID for a few weeks, no crashes at all.

@Traderjo : I tried that on a fresh install (windows 8.1) and also on a migrated OS (windows 7) from samsung utility.. no problem at all.

 

I do know what a fact is. In this scenario, if even a single person comes forth (as they have) and claims instability then it is buggy.


I think the problem is that you're trying to hold Samsung/RAPID/caching software to a higher level than they deserve to be at this time.

 

In that case, everything is buggy since you can always find someone having problems with anything. Your logic is way wrong.
Now, what if his RAM is the problem ? What if he has malwares ? What if his SSD is buggy ?
If you don't understand how computing works, keep away from giving advices.

I don't say RAPID is good (I disabled it), I'm just saying you keep telling bullsh*t to anyone willing to hear them....... or not.

 

I don't think most people would say something is buggy if only a single person had an issue. In fact that is the very definition of a small sample size. Also, I think it is fair to say that Samsung did extensive testing of this. And part of that testing would be in a clean windows enviroment. So if it is a problem, then something else is contributing. Additionally, lockups are a common symptom almost all software and hardware problems. Be careful with confirmation bias.

 

Some trapeze
It was W7 fresh install. I am have 60gb filled that includes a whopping 12gb hibernate file which is really unfortunate - i'll have to check if there is any way to deal with this hibernate file size. I have only put there the projects i am working on, some 3d software, browser etc, the other stuff is in 500gb mechanical. I am expecting that they get cheaper per gb in next years. But if i was expecting a stand still i would buy at least a 256gb.
I also have to check if i can put W7 on diet i'll also probably reduce the page file to 200gb or zero.

Really!? so everything is buggy? i don't have opinion on Magic yet it seems faster but might be just placebo, i don't have time to do testing so i'll give it time to have an opinion.But certainly i haven't crashes or issues. This laptop just crashed one time while installing drivers and certainly works more than 8 hours a day.

 

Wow, reading for comprehension is very hard for a lot of people here.

Yeah; I don't know the first thing about computers, but the BS I spout about them has provided me with more clients than I can handle by myself.

So Samsung has spent time doing extensive testing huh? So has everyone else. And software/RAM caching systems are guaranteed to fail. Eventually.

Unless MS (or any other O/S manufacturer) brings there own branded and in-house / under the hood solution(s).

Third party software is bound to fail in either giving a real world performance boost, or being 100% reliable (without question).


I hope people see the BS you're spouting: giving support to something that you won't even use yourself.


Take care.

 

I don't give support to RAPID.. saying you're wrong does not mean supporting the products you're talking about... I already explained that to you..
and you're speaking of comprehension problems ? while you keep repeating the same stuff over and over, autistic-like, despite everybody else trying to explain to you how things work ?

Come on, either you're a troll or you're working for a marketing company which has nothing more to do than trashing competing companies on forums.
Which would explain your post counts, and the following sentence :

Now this seems true to me !! Too bad you just can't handle much. Too much time spent on forums maybe ? Keep it real dude.

 

And that is what you got out of my response, huh?


I think you're the troll - calling names, taunting people and assuming the worst of them is a sign that you may be at the breaking point.

 

Update: Disabled Rapid and it hasn't crashed yet.... it crashed twice yesterday with Rapid on. The digital handshaking becomes more unstable the higher the CPU clock speed and ambient temperatures. I am running 4.3GHz with Turbo boost Intel 4930M CPU, so its not fair to compare apples and oranges when looking at different CPU clock speeds. Running a business with faulty hardware/software is a pain. Its cheaper to run a slower more stable system, as opposed to losing thousands of dollars a day in down time. Time will tell if bug is in the software. If someone else finds I fix before me, I will up their Rep Power.

Update: Crash/freezed again with Magician v4.2 Rapid off, could be the EVO SSD is defective. Will contact tech support. Narrowing it down.

 

tilleroftheearth i have seen your posts here several times and i agree sometimes what you say, but this time you dig an absolutist hole for yourself.

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Keep us updated Tradejo. It might be chipset/drivers or some others stuff also, besides if you migrated instead of a clean install might be related to that.

 

I did a clean install, (migrate did crash heavily after 2 weeks of use), updated to latest chipset, ran full McAfee scan on the clean install, updated latest drivers. Just waiting to for next crash to see how often occurrences happen. Its a waiting game.

 

he's kinda forced to with some of the near-evangelical responses to some of the criticism he's given, though...

 

Usually when you do have a point, you aren't forced to anything, reviews and common sense do the job for you.
I don't think saying and proving with facts he's wrong on his allegations (that one should only take by his "experience", since he doesn't give any kind of proof) is "evangelical".
But mission complete, we're talking about him once more instead of focusing on topic.
I'll leave the discussion now, as I already did on another topic where he came crying that samsung is soooooo laggy and buggy.

 

Tks. Why did you run McAfee in a clean install?

 

Sorry, didn't mean to offend or ruin the discussion.

I'm learning a lot from reading both sides of the criticism to be honest. I would just prefer it if people were more strict about critiquing the critique, not the person. Anyway, I didn't mean to detract from the argument.

 

My CPU temps at idle are around 40'C, but spike up to 95'C while running McAfee scan. I wanted to see if the extra heat buildup would play a role, to test out the clean install; it had no effect. I do notice today when I play a Vimeo based video the system crashes instantly, so I will re-install all the drivers when I have a free hour. Its a trial and error sort of thing.

 

I would check the RAM and also check whether one component gets particularly hot if possible.
You can also check windows logs, might have something useful.

 

I actually sorted out the issue by shrinking my existing partition and using the unallocated space for OP.

 

Me too, did the same.