Samsung Magician v4.7

Samsung Utilities + Firmware

Note: I helped a friend of mine install Windows 10 and after we setup everything perfectly, without telling me he ran Magician 4.6 and did all the OS Optimization tweaks and now his sytem takes 3 attempts to even boot into Windows.......

From this page: http://winfuture.de/downloadvorschalt,3405.html

This same friend told me that it states Windows 10 compatibility for v4.7

I would advice everyone to do a system backup using some imaging software before attempting to do any OS tweaks from Magician. Heck I advice you to never do those Magician OS tweaks they can destroy any perfectly working system.

 

Now my friend installed 4.7 and did the OS tweaks again......let's see if it fixes the issue.......the issue happens from a cold boot only where it takes 3 attempts before he can get to the desktop

 

just a small update.

He ran the OS Tweaks again using Magician 4.7 and now it fixed his boot issue which was caused from the OS Tweaks of Magician 4.6

 

Magician 4.7 directly from Samsung

We apologize for your inconvenience
Please try again within 24 hours
From August 31 ~ September 6, 2015, there is a daily limit on the number of the Magician 4.7 downloads.
Unfortunately, the download limit for the day has been reached, please try again within 24 hours.
We apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused you. Thank you.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html

 

You can get it from Major Geeks as well = http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/samsung_ssd_magician.html

 

This always happens witth Samsung.. It's so lame that it makes me want to puke... REALLY A DOWNLOAD LIMIT ON THE SOFTWARE? Get some better servers you stingy buggers... Their use of crappy components to save few cents here and there is the reason why I'm not ever buying their products!

 

+1, I got stinged by their products many times that I will never touch anything that says Samsung again, be it a smartphone or an SSD.

1) The popular 840 EVO slowdown issue on old files. Even though they did release a firmware that would fix this, they totally ignored the mSATA version and till this date there is no firmware update to fix it. My $500 USD that I spent on my 840 EVO 1TB mSATA is burned.

2) They released a firmware update for the 850 PRO a while back that actually crippled the performance and bricked 100s of SSDs so they quickly pulled that firmware down. Now I was one of the lucky ones as my SSD wasn't bricked but was updated to the 2nd firmware release but performance went down in every benchmark by 20%.

I was waiting and waiting for a third firmware update to fix this mess but nope, NADA! So I gave up and sold it. What's more embarrassing if you check their firmware update page until this date there is still no firmware update for the 850 PRO so all those people who did upgrade basically got burned.

Thus, my money will never go to this company who doesn't value its customers.

See these threads:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung-840-evo-read-speed-drops-on-old-written-data-in-the-drive

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/samsung-ssd-bug-wiping-data/

https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/

 

God, so much misinformation.

I numbered your complaints so i can address them easily.

1. You can stop your whining, if you read the what's new in 4.7, it says " Advanced Performance Optimization support for 840 EVO mSATA ; New firmware is required to use Advanced Performance Optimization"

2. Why do you think they started allowing Magician installs in waves the first week since 4.6? To catch it and prevent something like this from happening again.

3. See #1

4) EVO bug has been fixed

5) Algolia were the only ones who reported this issue, and guess what, its not Samsung's fault (See # 6)

6) Algolia worked with Samsung and they found out that the issue was caused by the Linux Kernal, not the Samsung SSDs. a Kernal patch was released and the issue is gone.

All your issues have been addressed.

The only current valid complaint anyone can have is that it doesn't support Windows 10 yet.

 

1) I just installed Magician 4.7 on my Alienware 18 to see if the 840 EVO mSATA 1 TB I have got a firmware update finally, it didn't.

2) The Firmware update of the 850 PRO which lowered its performance and made me sell my two 850 PRO 1 TBs or bricked some peoples' SSDs.....while mine wasn't bricked, the performance deteriorated by 15% according to all benchmarks I performed, until this date, even after 6 months have passed, Samsung has not released a 3rd firmware to address the issue of their first mistake and poor 850 PRO owners who may have upgraded have their SSDs crippled.
See:

Users report bricked Samsung 850 Pro after latest firmware update

BEWARE of new Samsung 850 PRO Firmware!

Users report bricked Samsung 850 Pro after latest firmware update

Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256 gb slower after firmware update EXM02B6Q. Original firmware EXM01B6Q worked perfect!



3) What are you, a Samsung advocate? Seems like my valid arguments affected your soul badly

4) EVO bug has been fixed, not for the mSATA version!

5) I am not going to lower myself to your level and call you names, I hope you grow up one day.

 

1) maybe its on a rollout just like the FW was when the 840 EVO FW came out, so all that is needed is patience

2) Samsung doesn't need to rollout a 3rd FW to fix anything. Samsung replaced all the affected drives for ppl who were affected. Majority of them got new unit replacements.
2b) I have the new FW on my 850 Pro and my benchmarks are fine:

You try changing your SATA controller driver?


4) see my #1 response

Also, you didn't even acknowledge the "TRIM bug issue".

 

Please tone it down and discuss this civilized. I have cleaned this up but next time further action may be taken.

 

I thought the "Kernel Patch" originally was to blacklist the EVO and PRO, this is why I went with a 1TB Mushkin but if you can show a link where it is not black listed for the trim issue I may want to get a 2TB EVO.

 

The Kernal Patch you are talking about has to do with Queued TRIM. It just prevents Linux from running Queued TRIM on the Samsung Drives, so Linux does Sequential TRIM instead.

Algolia's issue, which lead to Data loss which TechReport reported as if it would happen to everyone, only affected Algolia and it was due to a timing issue in their RAID setup that the Linux Kernal they were using messed up.

From algolia's Blog: https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/

"We have just finished a conference call with Samsung considering the failure analysis of this issue. Samsung engineering team has been able to successfully reproduce the issue with our latest provided binary.

Samsung had a concrete conclusion that the issue is not related to Samsung SSD or Algolia software but is related to the Linux kernel.

Samsung has developed a kernel patch to resolve this issue and the official statement with details will be released tomorrow, July 18 on Linux community with the Linux patch guide. Our testing code is available on GitHub.

This has been an amazing ride, thank you everyone for joining, we have arrived at the destination.

For all followers of this blogpost and all the new readers:
The discovered issue has much bigger impact than we originally expected and is not caused by Samsung SSDs, as we originally assumed.
My personal apologies to Samsung!"

Also Tech Report http://techreport.com/news/28724/samsung-docs-detail-linux-trim-bug-and-fix
The Tech Report link has additional information on the failure.

 

Ah ok, so for the future, once the patch has made it to the distro's, then the queued trim will be ok we just need to wait a bit if it isn't there but it will eventually make it there. Thanks

 

Algolia's issue and the Queued TRIM issue are two separate issues. Algolia had Queued TRIM disabled.

Samsung still needs to fix the Queued TRIM issue.

 

Thanks, will wait a bit then for the 2TB drive, not like I need it today.

 

Thanks for the heads up about this being in the release notes. Just to clarify: the updated firmware has not yet been released, correct? I know that Samsung commonly limits downloads for new software/firmware, so I wanted to clarify since it's pretty late in the day.

 

Looks like it's just a magician update... No new firmware!

 

I called up Samsung support this morning. They said the FW was actually going to come out yesterday (Labor Day), but they delayed it for some reason.

 

I was hoping it was imminent. Not released as of yet, but it's good to know it should be right around the corner.

Without knowing why it was held back, it might be prudent to let others test first.

 

It is discovered the same problem with 850 evo too .

 

The new firmware for 840 msata evo drives seems to finally be released (EXT43B6Q). I have a backup from Saturday and haven't done much since, so I decided to roll the dice. Updated, shutdown, and restarted successfully. Haven't yet run the advanced performance optimization. I'll likely do so after my weekly backup this Saturday.

 

I backed up my files then did the firmware update for my 1TB EVO mSATA followed by the advanced performance optimization. That process took over an hour so it must have been doing something. The SSD has accumulated 7,500 power on hours and 12.37 TBW.

Magician's performance benchmark is giving about 370MB/s sequential read and write speed while CrystalDiskMark gives about 100MB/s higher.

John

 

What problem? the read speed slow down? The 850 EVO doesn't have that problem.

 

Magician 4.8 with Windows 10 support is a couple of weeks away, so said Samsung support Gille to me yesterday.
He told me to be careful with rapid mode. You can't enable rapid mode with 4.7, 4.8 fixes its.

I told him of the work around of enabling rapid mode Magician 4.4 and then updating to 4.7, he said 4.7 is not optimized for Windows 10 and can mess around with the SSD, he said play it careful.

I called about another issue, which I will post later for inputs. It brings out the defects of installs with UEFI and other issues.


Cheers
3Fees

 

Rapid mode is trash anyway(Magician is useless). If you now going to use such a feature so set either up a ram disk.

 

I also see the only use for the Magician Software in the firmware upgrade, all other options usually cause more harm than they do good. Applying the changes to get "high system performance" i. e. did nothing else, as create a completely stupid energy-management-profile, which had everything to "don't turn off, don't save when not activce, processor always run 100%" and similar. The funny thing though is, that they completely wracked the sleep-mode of the system, so no Notebook was able to shut down into sleep mode, when i. e. closing the display. The other tweaks of Magician are usually unnessary either, some are already intigrated into Win 7+, and others can be simply done manually. The rapid-mode is utmost crap, once applied, you cannot turn it off again, except if you delete the whole disk and set it up newly. Health check is completely useless, because the Samsung SSDs die from one minute to the other without warning and similar, so the health is always good, well, until the disk dies an instant death, then I guess bad ^^ .

The best thing however is, how to get the Magician Software out of Autostart. it's not in the folder, it's not in the registry, it's a freakin scheduled task that runs at every startup, and to get it away, you even need to take ownership of it first, because the standard owner is "Samsung" , and all other users are blocked by default .

 

Msconfig works for that as well.

 

As said earlier. Can be used for firmware upgrade but nothing more .
@djembe Use Autoruns.exe. Works great for this and similar junk also.

 

I just installed SM 4.8 on Windows 10. It has fixed Rapid Mode, however, it hasn't fixed another standing issue where like many others, it will not Authenticate my 850 EVO [500GB].
Interestingly, after enabling Rapid Mode, I now get 2398 MB/s sequential Read as opposed to something like 250 MB/s previously, and 1631 MB/s Sequential Writes compared to about 230 MB/s previously.
Now that's a vast improvement by any standard. And this is on a SATA v2 system.

I've been searching for what the activation feature in SM is about, but couldn't find anything really substantial. Maybe someone here might know?

 

SATA II means nothing when you're benchmarking your RAM...


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You must not trust those values, Rapid Mode cheats in the normal benchmarks. Rapid Mode takes away some of your RAM, and if i. e. a 1GB-testing benchmark runs, the SSD is basically not even used, but the RAM instead. This gives high scores when only little data is transfered, but once you i. e. try to transfer 100GB, then the Rapid Mode SSD will have no advantage over the non Rapid Mode one, so the Rapid Mode one would have the disadvantage of having less available RAM.

There are lots of tests that confirm and explain this in detail. Conclusion of most is to stay away from Rapid Mode and never use it because now that you activated it, I think you cannot go back unless you secure erase the disk completely.

What the tests also said, was, the Rapid Mode is completely superflous, because it performs tasks Windows would do on it's own, and if Windows had a properly adjusted RAMDisk, it would achieve the Rapid Mode values without any problem, with having the advantage, that a RAMDisk can be configured and also disabled, when max RAM is needed.

 

As I said earlier; If you must... Choose rather a Ram disk and stay away from this garbage.

 

Can you please explain more about this????
Why do we need to do a secure erase if RAPID was enabled????
Not able to connect the point why we need secure erase if RAPID enabled

 

Is it something like this feature which never worked in your PC Configuration???
Share any special driver which u had installed in ur system

 

I can only say, that I read that secure-erasing is the only safe way to disable Rapid Mode again very recently, so less than 1 month ago, when I first got in contact with Magician software, and read 10-15 sites on it. If you google "disable rapid mode samsung" , you'll also find lots of mostly unsolved threads, where either the Magician Software doesn't allow it to be disabled, or where disabling it causes horrible problems (BSODs, complete disk-failures, etc.) and there is one imo. very interesting link from a very good site, called "superuser.com" : https://superuser.com/questions/742...ble-rapid-mode-on-a-samsung-solid-state-drive. The site shows, that Rapid Mode can even reduce the speed of the disk under specific circumstances. "Rapid Mode does more harm, than it does good" is the general concensus on poweruser-sites like over overclock.net or Guru3D.

Hth.

[EDIT]

Googled further, seems like the disabling Rapid Mode failures were either caused by the user or older versions of the Magician software, so it should be possible with the current 4.8 .

Sry for having spread outdated information. :/

 

I've never had issues switching between RAPID mode on or off. I'm using RAPID right now (in 4.8 & before in older versions), I think it's most useful when there are lots of writes to disk - like installation of a small program, installation will finish a lot faster because it writes the changes to RAM very very quickly and then just writes to disk when it can. Obviously you have increased danger of data loss or corruption, but on a laptop you have the battery as a backup power supply, and RAPID does obey buffer flushing commands - I've never had any issues in the praps 6 total months I've run with it enabled. (If I ever do get any corruption I'll just revert my OS to a previous image taken in Macrium Reflect - do a backup about once a month).

 

so they call it magician because it can make your drive disappear?