SanDisk Extreme Pro SSD 10 year warranty!

Due out June 12, 2014
SanDisk Extreme PRO Solid State Drives (SSD)

240GB, 480GB and 960GB. That's right a 1TB

What's the 30% OP math tilleroftheearth or RCB?

But get this, 10 year warranty!

NewEgg has the 960GB priced at $600 480GB at $370 and the 240GB at $190 for pre-order.
Newegg.com - SanDisk/Internal SSDs


Performance
240GB
Seq. Read 550 MB/s
Seq. Write 520 MB/s
Rnd. Read 100K IOPS
Rnd. Write 90K IOPS

480GB & 960GB
Seq. Read 550 MB/s
Seq. Write 520 MB/s
Rnd. Read 100K IOPS
Rnd. Write 90K IOPS

Advertised Sequential R/W and IOPS are higher than SEII

AnandTech announcement with a PCMark 8 Consistency Test graph. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8110/computex-2014-sandisk-announces-extreme-pro-ssd

I can guess who the 500GB competitor is.

 

Ah but does Sandisk shoot their SSDs with high energy particles from a particle accelerator?

 

According to their graph no OP should be required.

 

I think the 480GB SE II just dropped to $229.99 on amazon.


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Is failure due to high write to the flash exempt from the warranty, 10 years is a long time, how long does mlc flash memory last.

John.

 

With those sizes they're probably already overprovisioned, looks like by 6% if the actual NAND sizes are the typical 256, 512, and 1024 GB. Wonder why they skipped the 750 GB class?

10 year warranty is a great idea, based on standard desktop use cases and MLC NAND endurance there should be no issues with write lifetime during that time. Still like to see the fine print, I'm assuming there's a clause in there to protect them from someone who throws an excessive amount of writes at the thing. It does say the warranty is limited, but I couldn't find the text of if.

 

Probably too little demand for it. It appears that Samsung has quietly dropped the 750 GB 840 EVO while they continue to sell the 500 GB and 1 TB versions.

Balderdash.

You must continue to over provision any and all SSDs you own. To 90%, or more if possible. Real works demands it.

 

My Plextor 512gb ssd does not use over provisioning it formats to 476gb free off the 512gb that difference is just for the FAT right?

Also the Plextor SSD app does not offer an over provisioning option.

John.

 

No, that's just the decimal to binary conversion.

512000000000 bytes / 1073741824 binary bytes ~ 476.8GB

And you can OP by just creating a partition then deleting the partition using disk manager or disk part command or your favorite partition manager.

 

What is the point of over provisioning anyway?

John

 

Oh boy, here we go.

OP basically leaves the "unused" space for the system to do garbage collection efficiently while not affecting performance of the drive. When you OP a drive by leaving a cleared partition, that space is still used, just that if you get close to filling up your drive, it still has that extra space for the drive to use for TRIM and other clean up operations.

Tilleroftheearth will tell you 30-50% OP is what everyone needs. I don't disagree a little OP is OK, but it's mainly required if you do a lot of writing. If you basically install your OS and apps and then just "use" Windows you won't see much benefit or detriment with OP. Only time you will really feel it is if/when your SSD gets filled near it's capacity. I OP about 10% just so that if I fill it up, it's still not really "full". If you need the max performance out of your drives all the time, then a heavy 25-30% OP will definitely help.

Bottom line is it's supposed to keep your system feeling "fresh" for longer. Although for average Joe Windows user, 7-10% OP is more than sufficient, if any at all.

Just Google Over-Provision SSD and you'll get some good articles and explanations.

Here's some decent ones a couple by OEM's:
http://www.kingston.com/us/ssd/overprovisioning
http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...isite/SSD/global/html/about/whitepaper05.html
http://www.techspot.com/news/52835-...-need-for-trim-overprovisioning-and-more.html

 

My SSD has had nearly 16TB of writes and i do a crystal diskmark test every week or so and the read/write speed only vary`s by a 5-10mb a second so i don't see any real slow down and i never do over provisioning, it seems like a waste of space to me.

John

 

I wouldn't do a CDM test every week! If you do hopefully you set it to 50MB or 100MB. That's just unnecessary wear on your drive. But l agree, unless you fill your system to capacity, then there is little risk or impact on performance. Even in that Samsung article they state:

"There is no “right” amount of OP to set aside, and it is best to vary it by capacity and situation.
If you don’t want to use Magician’s recommendation, or if you are a professional or more advanced user with different requirements, you are free to set aside your own OP space. To decide how much to set aside, you must consider your specific usage patterns as well as the size of your SSD. Users with large SSDs (250GB+) will likely not use all of the available space on their drives as long as they are not storing large amounts of photos, video or other media files. Thus, a casual user with a large-capacity SSD may not need to set aside any extra space for OP. The SSD will naturally use any available free space to perform its maintenance algorithms. If you have a small SSD, on the other hand, it is recommended to set aside some OP (between 6.7 and 10% of total drive space) to minimize the risk of accidentally filling the drive to capacity. While filling a drive with data isn’t harmful, it will have a severe impact on performance. Users with smaller drives are much more likely to fill them with data, effectively taking away the SSD controller’s working space and making it more difficult to prepare free blocks as well as accomplish basic maintenance tasks."

But I just noticed you have an SLC Enterprise SSD. That sucker should be able to be punished to no end and not lose much performance. But if you fill it to capacity it will likely still suffer performance a bit.

 

Maybe that's their secret sauce.

 

The Samsung link didn't work for me but I found it here as well.
Samsung SSD White Paper - Maximize SSD Lifetime & Performance | Samsung SSD US

 

lol @ dat name though, how do you follow up on it? Extreme Pro --> Extremely Pro --> Extremely Pro II --> Extremely Pro II Plus maybe?

 

Super Extreme Professional Titanium Plus

 

Are we talking about SSD or Alkaline Battery`s

John.

 

FTFY

10char

 

I think I just found my next SSD!

 

Hmmm... the performance certainly seems good, if their ads are correct. But the question for me in considering a terabyte version is this: is the extra sustained performance worth the current $150 premium over the Samsung 840 Evo? I suppose it depends on usage...

 

Agreed, usage should, largely, dictate SSD choice. This MSRP is the same as the M500 960GB when it was released. Hopefully, for the people buying immediately, there will be plenty of stock and we won't see the same price gouging that we saw with the M500.

 

Forget these SATA 3 models, Show me the Sata Express and PCIE models. I'm itching to get that new Intel P3700 drive, so expensive but so good. I'm sure Sandisk can pull off something similar

 

Checked newegg earlier, all models are SOLD OUT!

 

Amazon is showing stock.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-2-5-Inch-Warranty--SDSSDXPS-480G-G25/dp/B00KHRYRLY/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1402692634&sr=1-3&keywords=SanDisk+Extreme+Pro+SSD

 

I'm thinking I'll have to save my pennies for this one... 960GB one. Hopefully they make a quality mSATA 240GB.

 

I just hope its burst performance is as good as its sustained performance. For my workflow burst performance/snappiness is a lot more important than sustained performance (well actually compute power would be king, but that's another story).

 

Problem is that you need a new notebook with 9 series chipset to use them.
But Im in the market for a new notebook so I will absolutely 100% get M2 SSDs with PCIe controllers for sure. So much faster than traditional SATA3 drives which are all so alike in performance anyway. Hard to be excited about any SATA3 SSD when we have been stuck at the same performance for 2 years lol

 

I agree that SATA is dead. But the version of M.2 we have today is not what we've been waiting for either.

See:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-xp941-z97-pci-express,3826-9.html

If you want what M.2 promises; I think the best plan is to wait for the NVMe support - delivered. If they're making money without a fully next gen platform fully realized... I think that will only slow the introduction of the 'real' M.2 class of devices with NVMe support and who knows what other benefits that will bring.

 

Well SATA was designed for HDD and have been holding back drives with NAND and fast controllers for quite some time now.
The greatly reduced latency with PCIe alone is enough to get me excited. NVMe is needed here of course because that will take the M2 drives up to a different level, because currently they rely on AHCI which also is designed for standard HDDs.
So reduced latency, 66% increase in sequential over SATA3, huge bump in queue depth, able to do much more threads etc etc.

I very much welcome my next notebook with PCIe M2 SSD and HM97 chipset

 

Some early numbers for steady state performance for the Extreme Pro and Crucial MX100. The Extreme Pro delivers higher performance and lower latency than the SEII. The new performance king, for now. The MX100 performance and price make an M550 purchase difficult to justify. Looking forward to the full reviews.
Early Numbers - SanDisk Extreme Pro and Crucial MX100

 

Wow that Extreme Pro looks like a solid drive, great performer. Maybe consider for my next SSD. Would like to see an mSATA version too.

 

To me the extrme pro looks like a Extreme II rebagged with 10 year warranty.. Is there really any difference in between the 2?

 

New controller and 19 nm NAND on the new extreme pro.

By the way, the review is out:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8170/sandisk-extreme-pro-240gb-480gb-960gb-review

Some happy reading for morning chai

 

The NAND is still 19nm but second gen. The same Marvell controller OCed And the Extreme Pro is now available in 960GB, the SEII only 480GB. The choice for the highest performance 1TB class is obvious, for now. The 512GB class has the SEII as the second highest performer behind Ex.Pro, at a lower price so the choice isn't so cut and dry.

 

This is the state of current SATA3 SSDs including the reviews.
I found it extremely funny.

See if you can spot it:

 

the m500 scores higher than the m550

 

I spotted that it's the TheSSDReview. That tells me they were all tested empty, fairly useless information they put out.
The M550 and the Adata are practically the same drive, (label, packaging). What size 840 Pro too?

 

Good lord, just read the Anandtech review. I thought the Sandisk Extreme II was already incredible. This drive completely blows everything else out of the water, its both dangerously close to the consistency of the 730 AND the burst performance of the 840 Pro in one fell swoop. This makes it a truly formidable drive because it pretty much renders the previous reasons to buy the 730 and 840 Pro all but moot. Now the only unknowns left are reliability and SMART data. I found that Sandisk drives aren't as well documented as say Crucial Drives, Samsung or Intel simply because they don't have quite that market sahre, plus, the SMART data needs improvement, they need to really standardize the values instead of obfuscating everything.
I may have to grab one and recycle my Sandisk Extreme II 480Gb on my main to the W110er and then recycle that 840 pro 256gb to the spare desktop.

 

That one too.

But my point was that a +400 score on PCMark was presented as something big in the graph.
When in reality it is really minor difference

Got to sensationalize to make SSD reviews interesting nowadays

 

As the Anandtech review indicates, while the warranty and the performance has been greatly improved over the SEII's the rated endurance has stayed at 80TB for the life of the SSD.

Don't get side tracked with how many TB's drives have been hammered with and still 'survive' - that is irrelevant and doesn't indicate anything other than in that usage (non-usage, imo) the nand seems to be holding up. But here in the real world, where a drive is expected to (reliably and consistently) boot a system up, shut a system down (cleanly) and do work in-between, SanDisk states that 80TB is the life span for this product (i.e. 10 years or 80TB, whichever comes first).


What is the draw here?

Excellent TRIM management:

Intel 730 SSD levels of consistency (when both are OP'd) for the same $$$ but double the capacity:

See:
AnandTech | SanDisk Extreme Pro SSD (240GB, 480GB & 960GB) Review: The Fastest Just Got Faster

(See the last two graphs on the link above).



Note that I'm only interested at the 960GB model of the SEP - anything else older or below it is comparable (or even better).

What the 960GB model offers is a new level of performance along with a capacity that is better matched to workflows going into the last half of 2014 and into 2015 and beyond.


OP'ing is not an option. If the highest levels of performance are expected (sustained, over time), then the need to OP even this new SSD is still justified (it is the only way the SEP 960GB model is able to come close to the Intel 730 480GB series).


As mentioned earlier in this thread, this is how one of my systems would be setup:

960 x 1,000,000,000 = ~894GB actual (formatted) capacity
894 x 0.70 = ~625GB usable capacity (30% OP'ed).

That 625GB would be split as:

150GB for C:\ drive - O/S and Programs
475GB for D:\ drive - Data


While this gives me effectively 25GB less data than the 1TB EVO I currently had as a 'choice' - it will also give me a magnitude of performance difference in real workflows, sustained, over time over the very responsive, but ultimately low work (productivity) capable EVO series (even with over 30% OP'ing).


The difference is clear: not only is SanDisk improving on their already highly regarded (by Anandtech, HardOCP and me, at least) Extreme II series, but they are improving in the areas where it makes the most impact to real users (and not just BM chasing junkies).

The 10 year warranty means nothing to me (I've never used a warranty on a HDD/SSD I've put any of my data on), except that it shows SanDisk really believes in their product.

As I do too.


I thought it would take M.2 along with NVM Express support to get me this excited about a new SSD - but SanDisk has thrown a curve ball not only at me, but to SSD manufacturers too.

The other manufacturer's better take note. If SanDisk is here now - in 5 years; they may be the only game in town (if they continue at this rate).


Real world performance (in all areas: capacity, power draw, speed/temps and consistency), decent prices (which only go down and/or go on sale frequently) and proven reliability all in one product.

Hail the new SSD king.

 

Bit premature to claim "proven reliability" at this point don't you think? You'd be all over me if I made that claim when the 840 Evo launched

 

n=1, granted, maybe a little premature...

But since it's based on the SanDisk Extreme II, which has proven to be a workhorse this past year; I let it slide.

 

TweakTown review is up
SanDisk Extreme PRO 960GB SSD Review - SATA III to the Extreme

 

^I went over the review but maybe i missed it, did they say how much if any they OPed the drives?

 

I didn't see any indication of OP either.

And I guess I'm not that enamored by the 10 year warranty if the amount of writes are still 80TB. I can warranty something for 20 years, but it doesn't matter if you're likely to break that 80TB barrier in 5 years.

 

As a 960GB drive it is OPed from 1024GB of actual flash on board by roughly 7%

 

See:
AnandTech | SanDisk Extreme Pro SSD (240GB, 480GB & 960GB) Review: The Fastest Just Got Faster


12.7% across all nand capacities.

 

gigabyte (GB) to gibibyte (GiB) Advertised as 960GB, Widows uses gibibytes 894GiB reports it as gigabytes 894GB user capacity. 1024 - 12.7% = 894
SSD showdown: 36 256GB and 512GB SSDs tested - Overprovisioning | Hardware.Info United States

Way too much math for me on a Friday.
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