Sandy Bridge Notebook article !! i72820qm 43% faster than i740qm :o

" ......the new i7-2820QM checks in 35% faster than the outgoing i7-920XM, 32% faster than a desktop i7-920, 43% faster than the i7-740QM, and 19% faster than the previous generation’s fastest dual-core part..."




Looks like Sandy is gonna kick butt. I better start packing my r2...

Well here's the article that might interest anyone:



Intel?s Sandy Bridge: Upheaval in the Mobile Landscape - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

 

are any of them unlocked? you more or less have to have an unlocked SB to do any sort of overclocking.

 

Cheers for that review, those figures are pretty impressive in comparison to the outgoing stuff.

If only I could afford one

 

will the i7-2920XM work on r2? but presence or not of unlocked multipliers is something to think about

 

I could be wrong here, but dont the new cpu's require a different MB meaning we cant just "drop" a sandy into our R2's???

From a PC mag article.....


The only frustration is Sandy Bridge brings a new LGA 1155 socket. It looks identical to LGA 1156, but isn’t compatible, so upgrading will mean buying a whole new motherboard.



Read more: Intel Sandy Bridge review | Processors | Reviews | PC Pro http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/processors/363982/intel-sandy-bridge#ixzz19yBCs2Kz

 

I can see that happening, dell are all about money making, and if that happened they wouldnt shift any of the new R3s as theyd be basically R2s just with a newer chip.

 

Unless you change out to a new motherboard, the sandy bridge cpu's wont fit into the existing R2 socket....

How "kind" of Intel to think about people and their existing hardware huh?

 

SandyBridge CPUs cannot be "dropped in" into older motherboards, laptop or desktop. We will need to get the R3 to get the new chip.

And Stevie beat me

 

R3 for me

the ULV versions of the Sandy Bridge are super ideal for the M11X witch is what I am thinking about.

For the M17X.. sticking with what ever new model Asus G73 comes out with.

You can already pre-order one with the 2630QM
Asus G73 with Sandy Bridge CPU

 

LOL@the Asus keyboard lighting mod. Asus is truly the poor man's wannabe Alienware. Anyway, if Kevin manages to unlock the 2920xm, then SB will destroy current i7-920xm quite handily. If not, then a 2920xm running at full speed still shouldn't be able to top a well cooled 920xm with unlocked TDP/TDC since the 2920xm is limited by it's TDP. When I had a 940xm, I was pushing 3.7 GHz on all 4 cores which was trouncing several desktop CPU's. The biggest factor will be seeing how much Dell has improved R3's cooling and if it will allow for 100W video cards. If it does and the R3 can take on dual 580M/6970M video cards, it will be a beast. Hopefully they keep a 16:10 form factor (wishful thinking) so that R2 owners can simply swap their screens over.

 

We should see all kinds of new Sandy Bridge products this week.

 

i ll stay with my current hardware. no need for more power, i dont need more power and whowever tries wont see real difference in real life. Maybe i ll go for the R6 in a couple of years. lool

 

I agree the scope of applications that can really benefit from all this processing power becomes slimmer and slimmer (at least for the average user). But still, the CPU can be a bottleneck in gaming, is a much valued resource in media manipulation and creation, and has a strong roll in server applications.

For the average user it is all about the storage subsystem! That is why SSD and home servers are making such a rise. The faster data is streamed, copied, or served gives a tangible and perceptible increase in productivity.

In all honesty, SB will not be exciting to me until either AMD gets some good optimus tech goin on, or nVidia delivers a real performance mobile card. I really do like the possibilities of the R3, but I want to see how it is executed.

 

^^agree have enough with what i already own!

 

if i ever encounter a game that bring my laptop to it's knee i'll change until then with the low adoption rate of dx11 i still don't need the upgrade

the only usefull thing i see is the potential longer batterie life

 

The sandy bridge stuff looks like a VERY healthy upgrade from the current mobile i7 parts. I never felt like my QX9300 was feeling its age with the 920xm/940xm parts but this will finally show it for being a 3 year old architecture haha

 

But why do we need all this processing power?? Other than for gaming (which my current config can handle easily) i have not used my cpus full potential... and with an oc'd 940xm it would make it much harder to hit the ceiling... even gfx cards have evolved so much now that I dont know why would I need more power?? I know i can always get the next model if I want to but i personally cant justify the need... By no means i am trying to take away the fun and excitement here.. its great for a new owner or some one coming from area 51-m17x (the old model) and may be to some R1 users too (coz of some unresolved issues with R1)... but R2 is VERY much stable... I cant fault my system for anything major (touch/knock on wood)... SB processors might be 20%+ powerful than my system but do i really need it?? I really dont think so... what do you guys think??

 

The main difference I see in Sandy Bridge is the 'power when needed' change that it brings to the table. That means I can have one notebook rivals a netbook in terms of light usage yet as powerful as a desktop replacement of today's models.

This will be further pefected in Ivy.

 

Why? Because i want to play Dolphin Emu at 60 FPS

 

I was about to post the same thing a fast clocked Sandy Bridge will have a laugh at handling emulators like pcsx2/dolphin.

 

There is also a real world benefit to this. For example, the built in video encoding engine. Also, due to the higher clock speeds, every day tasks are also going to be more responsive while having better battery life than current gen products - even without saturating the processor pipeline.

 

Here, here. What I've learned from all the reviews today is, while the better efficiency, higher-OCs and added features are nice, for gaming a 920/940xm is quite sufficient.

I'll upgrade as soon as: a) they're are significantly better mobile GPUs and b) there are games that take advantage of said GPUs.

 

I'll upgrade... As soon as I have the extra money. Dual cores are beginning to be left behind...

 

I agree with you guys that have the 920/940xm chips. If I had coughed up for one I think I would be happy where I am. With the option to return and wait I thing I'll just do that.. The i740 is literally blown away by the sandy bridge. I don't think 5870s have a problem with any game but I just kinda felt like I had a pentium processor with a 580 gtx in sli.

 

If you can still return your AW and get the new revision.. cool!
Otherwise get 920xm from ebay (about 350-400$) and you may be happy too.. 5870 xf is grrrrreat imo

 

I think, for me anyhow, with my current spec - R3 would be financial suicide....yeah, sure, i would love a sandy in "just cos" i would! - I dont think I would ever fully utilise it to the max....

Personally, if you own an R2, I would say max it out as much as possible rather than blowing ££££ on a new R3 that will be overy inflated in terms of price as soon as they are released - bear in mind that as soon as they are released, you wont get as much for your old system now, will you?

Sure, i fyou want the best and have oodles of cash, no reason not to go for it....if you have a maxed out R2, again, go for it if you want "more" performance...

I reckon that the average M17x owner DOESNT have a maxed out system...I would avise anyone to go this route and watch R3 prices fall after the hype...if you STILL need more power, then your ONLY choice would be to sell off your R2 and get an R3!!!!!!

BTW, can you tell I hate "over hyped" and "overpriced" stuff....lets see some real world figures before you ditch what is currently the best system out there....

 

hyped? Seriously, wake up. Tests are out there. Sandy Bridge is real and is awesome in all ways. It is not exaggerated.

 

Excuse me! - have you actually had a computer with one of these in? - NO!....im not denying that the figures look good but "figures" always do look good when your selling something new....prime example would be Nvidia gtx480m not so long ago...

All im saying is that it is advisbale to wait and not throw all your eggs in one basket.....fair play, if you have the cash and really cant wait, go for it...i didnt say sandy was a bad thing now did i?

 

It's not just the CPU, the chipset will support the replacement in late 2011. The m17x Is supposedly all new, better cooling, better looks, possibly 6970 gpus.. I'm well within the return period so I can at no cost to me at all. The question is.. What the price will be on the new machine and if the savings they offer will be similar to what I got ($850) or so off the website price. I have heard they offer to refund some Money in some cases to keep the older system. If they do that and the r3 is significantly more expensive I will most definitely just use the cash back towards a 920/940xm in the near future and be happy.

 

Oh wait, let me quote what i said again

"hyped? Seriously, wake up. Tests are out there. Sandy Bridge is real and is awesome in all ways. It is not exaggerated.

If test from Anandtech and hothardware isnt good enough for you fine. But don`t call it a hype when we have data to back up our claims. And those sites isnt selling anything, they are testing things objectively
Sandy Bridge is bridging the gap between notebooks and desktops.

 

Your dreaming if you think for one minute they are gonna discount these new R3 Sandy systems right off the bat....c'mon...would you? - I mean , lets be sensible here...and why on earth would they give you money back to keep your current system...that doesnt make financial sense.

If I were you, and REALLY wanted the Sandy Bridge architecture etc etc etc, I would get a refund, be prepared to stump up more (cos it will be more) and buy an R3.

 

Dont get your knickers in a twist!!! - like I said, I wasnt saying its a BAD thing...just put it in perspective...for god sake.... - if you are that impressed, go and buy one and stop whining on about how good it is....no one will stop you.

Waht im talking about is for current owners, the price will more than likely be a huge difference in real terms on what they will get for their current system and how much an R3 costs....if this isnt an issue to you, you have more money than sense. If you really need the extra power, go for it...im sayin be subjective, look at what you have, how you use it, wether you need the extra power etc and make your own choice....

If it aint broke, dont fix it....(unless your extravagantly rich and dont care.....)

EDIT - oh, and if you are the kinda guy that beleives everything thats written on a review before its even been released, your more a fool than i thought and you knwo what they say about fools? - they are soon parted with their money.

 

When I canceled my $770 M15x order (from Dell Outlet) the Dell sales rep offered me $35 to keep it, but I declined and decided to wait for Sandy Bridge. Also, I've heard of people getting $75+ from Dell to keep their laptop instead of returning it. They do this so that they receive SOME profit, instead of NO profit.

Anyway, I believe the review said that the new SB CPUs offer similar/better performance than i7 920/940XM's for cheaper price. That is one reason for getting a laptop with SB rather than upgrading to a $500-1000 920/940XM.

 

You Done? Asus is at least much cheaper and doesn't look like a 30 year guy having a 10 year old kid play thing with all the lights and colours on Alienware. No Doubt alienware is better but not all of us have money to blow.


Back to the topic.

Sandy Bridge should be quite good but figures are too good to be true now.. i don't doubt that a 2820QM can beat a 920xm but the 920xm can surely be overclocked and beat a 2820QM which can't be. What handicaps Sandy Bridge is its inability to be overclocked much. I doubt we are going to be seeing an K models in notebooks anyways but that wouldn't help much due to TDP limit.

Thanks

Panther214

 

Fair play...its not a significant enough amount tho is it.....might as well just chop in your system, get a refund and be prepared to pay alot more for an R3.....either that or be happy with what you already have bought....

Has any one ever thought about why prices are so high - maybe its because people order these high end systems and then decide they dont want them....(im talking about a brand new order here).....this has a knock on effect in terms of Dell recovering costs, which are eventually passed back on down the line to the purchaser. Dya really think Dell will hand out money for no reason? - fair play, they may give you some money to keep an outlet purchase because they want to get rid of them full stop (no offense) as these are already outle products.

But when someone orders a brand new system, and then decides a week or so later that they DONT want it, what makes people think that Dell are about to start throwing money at them to keep it.....in my experience, you will get a full refund and thats that....nothing more, nothing less...if you want to re-order or wait...thats up to the individual.

Vicious circle.

 

Seriously, having a bad day today?
You called it a hype, i called you up on it.

And about all the nonsense you are spewing out here, im not going to comment on it.
Just going to say that you should stick with what you are saying. First calling something a hype. Then saying the one telling us the data is selling things. Then telling us that a product that is due for release 1 week from now does not equal to the final product.

Whatever, have a nice day sir

 

I have seen the credit Dell has given a friend for $200 to keep his r2 with the 840qm.

Money isn't really a concern to me looks are. Kind of like those people who buy porsches I guess when thy can buy a corvette that does everything better for half the price. Most laptops look so dam ugly I would never consider it. Now I didnt pony up for the 940xm I actually was quite shocked to see the only CPU upgrade at a whopping $1000. I settled for the i740 thinking it was fast enough but turns out it's probably what is slowing me down in the games i play. Coughing up $3k and finding out my 5 year old desktop beats it in every aspect didn't sit well with me.

Let's see what Dell says...

 

I think you have mistaken my interpretation of "hype"....hype is something that surrounds ANY new release of ANY product incase you didnt notice. Lots of talk, lots of reviews but UNTIL something is released into the REAL world, thats all you have to go on.

If people beleived everything that was written prior to the release of ANY given product, then there would be lots of people walking around dissappointed.

Im not arguing with you that figures look good, of course they do....if you want to be the one who rushes out and buys something BEFORE it has received any REALWORLD testing, based on internet articles then that choice sir, is up to you.

Again, I will reiterate as you dont seem to understand that I am NOT slating ANYTHING at all....its great that this new architecture is about to be released, any step forward is a good one....and you keep missing the point sir, that YES it is a great move if you ARENT already an R2 owner but, retrospectively, If you already own an R2 of maxed out spec, it isnt the all singing all dancing improvement that you will be expecting from reading various internet articles from whomever.

Sure, if you have the cash and want to, thats great. If, like the average owner who maybe can afford to upgrade to an SSD instead, then selling your R2 to get an R3 based on Sandy is a no brainer....get momre out of your system first before hand...

 

In which case, if you can get some money back, fantastic....take it, spend it on upgrades for you R2 such as 940xm ES/QS via ebay...maybe SSD etc etc....probably will run much better than the R3 that you would be able to afford when they come out....

This is my whole point...just be subjective to what you CAN get for your cash with your current system and bear in mind how much more you are likely to pay for a brand new R3.....becasue they are bound to be alot more expensive than your R2 spec.

Or, if money isnt an issue, get a refund, pony up some more and get an R3 - simples.

As Joker said a few posts back, if he can get a 940xm to perform like that, simply by using throttlestop and other tweaks, seems to me like the sensible financial way to go....rather than blowing a tonne more cash on a cpu that we dont know yet if will be able to utilise Throttelsop - at least unitl Kevin is able to do so anyhow. That way, you get the same or very similar performance, if not better and save a heap of dosh too.......but like i said, if money aint an issue, why the heck not have one like most things in life!! LOL

 

That i can agree with you on. Seems like you are one of them with your beast too

 

Hahaha, yeah....im happy tho at the moment...finally getting it working right for me, couldnt do with more niggles and hassles that there are BOUND to be....as i posted just before this, If Joker can get a 940xm to work like he posted earlier, then it seems pointless to blow stacks of cash unless you really want to or have an excess of cash in the first place especially if you already have an R2.

PS. Im computing on a budget here LOL

 

The R3 will cost about the same as the R2. Dell has pretty rigid pricing models. When the R1 was offered next to the R2 for a while the difference at basic spec was only something like $150 and eventually the R1 cost more.

The only reason that price will play into it is because of the diminished return on your current R2 if you were to sell it to upgrade - you would have to take a considerable loss. That is the main reason that I still have my R1, could not afford the loss I would take in selling it to upgrade.

 

Thats what im saying, exactly. Sandy is great news if you are looking to mak e a new purchase....if you just bought an R2 a few months ago (like me 6mths or so ago) it isnt ground breaking stuff thats gonna make me wanna take a huge loss on my already pricey setup, just to get the latest offering.

Maybe in a yr or so, I will but I reckon any laptop should last at least a yr or so if its current and up to date - as my system is. I dont have any reason to ditch and spend more when i can upgrade in other ways such as SSD or xm cpu. Thats where my money will be going.....when i get it LOL

 

Notebookcheck has two SB laptop reviews up.

"We saw repeatedly that the i7-2630QM processor, i.e. the entry-level of the new quad core family, can outperform the hitherto strongest chip, the i7-940XM in virtually all tests. This impressively points out the success of the new CPU architecture, which largely exceeds the impact of simply higher clock rates."

Awesome.

 

performance and battery life is the holy grail of mobile computing. and sb is a great step in that direction.
im too lazy to find the article, but 2009 or early 2010 was the first time that notebooks outsold desktops and the trend will continue exponentially. although a desktop will always have more power, that gap has been minimized.
but with that being said, i feel that sb only really appeals to the enthusiast who wants both the performance and battery life. i game and i do a lot of video editing so performance is important to me. i also travel a lot and id like long battery life when doing lighter tasks like surfing or doing my spreadsheets and ppt presentations. so for me sb is significant.
however, if i wasnt into video editing, the performance boost wouldnt really mean much to me, and as others have said our present systems have more than enough power for 99% of what the common user does.
also, if not for travelling and a few out of office presentations, i really would not be concerned with the added battery life.
so i think that if you need both performance and battery life, sb is a boon. if you only need either, there are present solutions already out on the market.

 

Not worth upgrading to a Sandy Bride notebook with obsolete graphics such as a GTX 460m.

People should do a full/proper upgrade, wait and do a Sandy Bridge + GTX 5x0m or 6870/6970m.

 

look at the bench marks on the first page.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...7-2820qm-runs-3-1ghz-under-max-load-bull.html

I think these early mobile SB reviews are missing the point. anandtech failed to see that in their own benchmarks the desktop SB CPUS clocked at 3.5ghz are getting the same synthetic scores as the mobile CPUs at 2.3ghz

 

sure benchmarks are good , but we'll see the benchmarks on multiple game titles .
some games perform pretty good on SB , other games might not ...
it doesn't matter too how well it perform on games , in the end everything boils down to yourself whether your upgrade from R2 to R3 is worth it

 

And many others with 920xm/940xm using TS have gotten higher CPU scores than that. I wasn't even close to maxing out the 940xm in the above photo.

 

Really, SB looks so good because Intel did a Nvidia-style re-release to produce the 740/840/940 Clarksfields rather than a true "Tick". Which means just like Arrandale over Penryn, SB over Clarksfield is both Tick AND Tock upgrades at once.

Also lots of people are going to get somewhat fooled by looking at (short) benchmark numbers with SB because they don't understand the additions to the Turbo logic.

SB Mobile as a CPU and specification appears very similar to desktop. As a reality it is still constrained by the 45/55W limits compared to 95/130W for desktops which show up the longer a benchmark goes.

The best aspect to SB though is the consumption decrease. I will really struggle to avoid throwing cash at a laptop with serious CPU and GPU crunch powa that can do ~4 hours of light use...