Simple question: Is this a netbook or not?

I agree however I am just arguing the point that Intel does not own the right or patent to the term "netbook" as so many may argue and in my opinion the term netbook is so "Grey" and not definitive in terms of specs but only by size and cost. There are many flaws in believing that the definition of a "netbook" is an extremely small notebook exclusively with an atom cpu.

That is my argument. If my point is not apparent, perhaps one should read the Allegory of the cave.

 

I never said Intel owned the term, just that to me the 12" MSI's and the Acer Ferrari One I would not call a netbook.

I don't know, to me they just don't seem like one since the Neo is kind of a step up from Atom, and the dual core Neo's perform closer to a culv processor in performance than an Atom.

 

It really seems like you firmly believe that Intel exclusively owns the right to the term and the Acer Ferrari One is 11.6 inches. No optical drive and not to expensive considering the price of highend laptop can cost in the thousands.

 

I have to laugh at the poll, currently 77.78% believe the 1810tz is not a netbook (49 votes) and 20.63% (13 votes) do.

What is so funny?

My marketing professor who claimed that over 80% of the people believed in marketing as the 'truth' no matter what the facts were. I would argue with her until I was blue in the face, ( because I'm not like that). She would keep saying I was in the minority, but I never believed her. Okay, now I do. lol

First, I need to find her and apologize (if she's still alive!), but only after I get over the shock that most people reading these forums are supposed to be above the curve. Not following it.

Weight.
Price.
Battery life.

No OD, less than 12" and low resolution LCD to keep the weight/battery draw down.

Less than $500 (for me, you may pick your own upper limit).

Over 6 hrs and closer to 8 hrs is the 'standard' (again, for me), the 1810tz almost hits 10 Hrs!

Again, it's a netbook.


(I didn't pick those criteria out of thin air; I am positive I read them somewhere when the first 'netbook' appeared about 2 years ago - and no, the original EEE PC isn't even a toy, let alone a 'netbook').

 

^^^ So you are ignoring the dual core processor in it, which was previously only in high end machines like the Sony Vaio TT/TZ/TX and Asus 11"ers, which also differentiates it heavily from a netbook, and calling it a netbook?

An 1366x768 on an 11.6" is low res? On the Vaio TT with an 11.1" display I found it to high while on the 1810t it's perfect.

I don't, but go back and read about when AMD first presented its roadmap and Neo for machines under 13", even they did not refer to machines like the DV2 as netbooks, but ultraportables.

 

I am definitely not ignoring it! I'm welcoming it! It's the same price as some Atom based systems, why wouldn't I?!!?!!

And yes; anything with ZZZZx768 is low res. I had 1280x1024 in 1998.

 

I think you just illustrated my point about how meaningless this thread question is by attempting to define a netbook. Given that your criteria are common to ultraportables, is an ultraportable then distinguished from a netbook by price?

 

Agree. Phil you should close this thread.

 

I was generalizing the generic term not stating the DV2 was a netbook.
Please read posts.

 

Yes! That is the point.

 

I'm with you there, that's why I said Atom (-like) performance. Sempron is in the same class.

Single core neo performs just above Atom, that's a grey area.

MSI has an X320 (13.1") with Atom Z530. Still a netbook in my book. A big one though.

But yeah normally smaller than 12".

 

@Phil: The MSI X series could still considered a "small" form factor since it's so thin but it'd all depend on the person.

Well at the end of the day everyone has his/her own definition of what is a "netbook". The industry hasn't exactly defined the thing well and I'll be honest, it is a bit of a grey area even for them.

I work at Staples and even at work, we have our own category for warranties which applies to netbooks and that category is defined by price(less than 400$CAD IIRC) rather than anything else so it's a grey area even for retailers sometimes.

I'll say this, from what I've come to see, lots of people define a netbook by a mix of the 3 things I've stated: price, weak specs, smaller form factor. In some cases, one or two of those aspects predominated the third, but generally, most of you guys(from what I've seen) define a netbook by those 3 elements. The other element would perhaps be battery life but it ties in with the other 3.

I think the only way we'd get to know our answer would be, as tiller indirectly suggested, to go back to the beginning of netbooks on the market and to see how they were advertised. I recall the mention of long battery life since CULVs weren't kicking it off yet.