Skylake-U BGA and Skylake-S processors to be released end of Q2.

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-14nm-broadwell-skylake-s-processors-coming-q2-2015_158147

Will the "Skylake-U BGA" be the equivalent to the current ULV processors?

 

Yeah, seems to be one version of them.

 

Will all Skylake chips use DDR4, or just the desktop chips?

 

6 month turnaround from Broadwell ULV to Skylake ULV is pretty fast.

Skylake-S ( @droyder have support for DDR3 and DDR4 btw) comes with 35W max TDP btw. If that is the top end mobile CPUs, thats really bad. Current mobile CPUs are 47/57W.

Also, Q3 2015 for these Skylake CPUs came out of open air from me. Most sites claimed 2016 for those.

 

That's an interesting claim that Intel will not be delaying Skylake and therefore selling it alongside Broadwell... I wonder how notebook makers are going to handle this. Skylake only on the high end, and Broadwell for everything low-powered and budget? Time will tell.

 

Notebook makers will do what they always do; sell whatever they could build for the lowest price - yeah; consumer be damned.

 

Intel's CEO must be caught in a time distortion field. Their clock is tocking before it ticks.

 

I think it's a typo. Most other sources say H2 instead of Q2.

 

True, but Broadwell got delayed for nearly a year and it appears Intel wants to get back on track with its roadmap.

Do you consider the Skylake-S a 'mobile' CPU? I thought the U (ULV) processors were the only ones considered in the mobile category (along now with the M)?

Anyway, I'm most interested in whether the SL-U will support DDR4.

Here's another report with a bit of overlap from the prior link..

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/198783-fresh-details-leak-on-intel-skylake-chipsets-processors

 

That's only their design limits. If I let my power limits free, at stock speeds with an undervolt I can pull 80W on my chip... these chips act exactly like the desktop chips under intense load. 35W would be a crime for high-end mobile chips.

 

What makes this weird for me is that they are slaughtering their own Broadwell chips. Whats the purpose of these when Skylake arrives, which will be a brand new architecture and should offer much better performance...

Skylake-S could be only desktop yes, thats a possibility. The TDP is low though, 35W, plus the SKL-S 3 comes with eDRAM, which is only for mobile (I think). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Configurations
But at the same time I saw a PDF from Intel earlier where they said mobile would be BGA only. Skylake-S is LGA, so it could also just be for desktops.

You also see from the wikipedia link that Skylake-H will be 35W and 45W, so I think those will be our mobile chips. Except the Skylake-U. which will be mobile low voltage ones. PCadvisor also say H-will be BGA so I think this is the true mobile high performers we will get. But at the same time, they are not listed on VR-Zone`s roadmap for skylake. Which is weird since it goes all the way to 2016. But that could again mean that the earlier speculations is true, that mobile quads wont come until 2016. Then it makes total sense regarding Broadwell, and not to interfere with those ones until 2016 when they have done their job in the market.

 

Seems like Broadwell U and Core M will have a very short lifespan in the ultrabook market, which makes sense. There should be some quad Broadwell stuff by mid-year for the workhorse and gaming machines. And those will probably hold for a year or so until Skylake H quads come out.

Based on that config chart, Skylake Y tablets and Skylake U ultrabooks could start trickling out by end of 3rd Q/early 4th? Here's an article about Dell skipping Broadwell entirely for Skylake for some of its models. Wouldn't be surprised to see other OEM's take the same course since Skylake is being hyped as the big leap:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2865...els-skylake-chips-in-second-half-of-year.html

 

It wouldn't be the first time that Intel jumped over generations of processors for certain market segments. 45nm Nehalem wasn't replaced, but complemented by 32nm Westmere. Nehalem came out first, but was not released for everyone. Those areas neglected by Nehalem later got Westmere, but Westmere only replaced Nehalem for servers and one extreme processor.

 

If this comes to fruition, then I suppose that from a consumer perspective we'll simply see a repeat of the situation in H2 2006, where Core Duo laptops and Core 2 Duo laptops were displayed side-by-side on store shelves in roughly equal quantities and offered at basically the same price points, and shoppers simply had to be careful...

Though it's not like that would be much of a challenge for the average NBRer

 

Skylake 15W ULV processors might have Iris graphics..

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-s-15W-Skylake-processors-may-feature-Iris-graphics.140374.0.html

 

So how do you fit Iris graphics in a 15W package without fully restricting the CPU and GPU? That doesn't even make sense. So they can include it but it will perform the same as HD 5500 because of its TDP limit. Even now the HD 4400 in most 15W ULV chips throttles due to TDP. And if they open it up, then it will need significantly better cooling.

 

So you're saying you don't believe in magic?!

 

14nm isnt magic. Its progress

 

Where was it mentioned 14nm isn't progress? It's the point that they aren't dropping TDP by like 50-60% to magically allow for Iris Pro graphics to work without severe restrictions in a 15W TDP package.

 

Exactly. I'm sure they will implement it, but with such restrictions what's really the point?

 

Do you know the power requirements and the clocks these 15W Skylake chips will run at?
They might have made progress and that Skylake can run closer to its specifications without much/any throttling. 14nm will have a good deal benefit over 22nm, thats for sure. It might give them the headroom they need.
Lets wait and see the clocks and what Iris Pro (Amount of EUs and clocks) these Skylake chips will have before going all doom

The Iris Pro these 15W chips have may be a type far from the top end Iris, it could just have that eDRAM for example. Who knows

 

Skylake may not bring any substantial performance improvements after all... =\

 

Please don't make overly general blanket statements like this without backing it up. It's bad etiquette and adds nothing to the value of the forum.

 

I can tell why I think Skylake will be awesome:

- We go from 22nm to 14nm. More power headroom to give performance boost. Not clock vs clock but they should be able to clock higher than Haswell processors. That alone bring a good deal of performance.
- Its a new architecture. Here comes clock vs clock in. Combine that with the above, it can be a good mix
- It supports DDR4 which will benefit IGPs since they share memory with the system.
- The CPU won`t have any integrated voltage regulator anymore. Which is said to be a reason why Haswell runs hot. YAY!
- Skylake chipset supports PCIe. Meaning we will see a flood of PCIe SSDs ready for our notebooks, with 1-2GB/s speeds. And NVMe replace AHCI for reduced latency. Snappy drives, YAY!
- We get IGPs with huge performance boost over Haswell. Skylake CPUs will have much more Execution Units than Haswell. Great for those who want a one-in-all-solution and for those who use emulators etc that doesnt need a big dGPU which means they don`t have to fire up the dGPUs all the time.

Intel apparantly got some big news in store for us with Skylake, and the performance jump from Haswell - Skylake is said to be huge
http://wccftech.com/intels-broadwell-skylake-uarch-transition-big-prescott-conroe/

So it seems that buying a new computer right after the summer seems to be the smartest choice right now. You may also get hands on the newest refresh from Nvidia plus Windows 10 release then. Can`t wait

 

You really think you will have i7-5500U + GT 650m performance in a single 15W TDP?

 

That's... a pretty bold claim. Conroe utterly obliterated Prescott; the performance per watt was something like 50-100+% higher depending on the application (i.e. it more than doubled in some cases). Intel hasn't done anything like that ever again -- Sandy Bridge probably comes closest, but that was still only around a 25% incremental improvement (so not very close). It's not impossible, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I don't.. I just don't see it happening at all.. Even if each component sipped power, I would assume you would need a minimun of a 28W Package TDP to obtain an equivalent level of performance...

 

That would still be pretty bold considering I believe an Iris Pro system was sucking on the order of 80W+ at full load with a 47W CPU. That would be a miracle.

 

I already called BS on it. It's on the same level of absurdity as the recent AMD Zen rumor: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/203210-leaked-details-if-true-point-to-potent-amd-zen-cpu

 

lol that AMD Zen rumor. How anybody could take it seriously is beyond me. But I guess hope springs eternal.

 

Not entirely sure I understand that one. 16 core + hyperthreading + iGPU with HSA + HBM L4 cache + 4 channel DDR4 all in one package? Is this thing 1kW TDP and phase change cooled?

 

FTFY

Fudzilla be like, let's take all these fancy technobabble buzzwords and combine them into one super chip

 

The rumor sounds like BS.

However, a heterogeneous multi-socket HSA system with those stuff would an interesting idea.

 

Well, I suppose a chip the size of a business card with its own dedicated power supply could pull it off.

But I suspect the power draw of that thing would melt the traces off whatever board it plugged into.

 

Considering hyperthreading is an Intel proprietary technology that pretty much removes all clout from that rumor.

It wouldn't surprise me to see 20-25% IPC over Haswell with Skylake. Broadwell is just a die shrink and mild tweak on Haswell and already gives around 5% so t isn't inconceivable that Skylake could have huge gains over Haswell being both a die shrink and a new architecture.

Then again Haswell wasn't much over Ivy and Intel had so many issues with 14nm Broadwell that I guess we will have to wait and see...

 

yes but would this be buying a new computer (Desktop or Notebook) after the summer? Any ones guess when skylake will appear specifically Notebook versions, and even then I am talking about 17 inch Skylake notebooks.

It would be nice if some had a 4k screen or at least the option or at least close to that along with USb 3.1 type c, DDR4 I'll stop there. Although will may have to wait until 2016 for that even though those type specs should be available in the 2nd half of 2015.

 

It's SMT (simultaneous multi-threading). Hyper-Threading is just Intel's implementation of SMT. Other CPU architectures have used SMT, e.g. IBM's PPC cores that are used in servers & HPC, old pre-Intel Macs, and the PS3/XB360/Wii/Wii U.

 

Right but Intel's hyperthreading is not the same as SMT on AMD chips. Hyperthreading is an Intel proprietary technology. My point was that an article that puts Intel technology into an AMD chip is likely fake.

 

AMD chips by nature of their module-based architecture use CMT not SMT. The rumor said SMT, not Hyper-Threading, which is entirely plausible, even if the rest of the details aren't.

 

My bad for reading the thread not the article. Anything about AMD chips holds no interest to me lol!

 

Latest news said Q2 2015 release for Skylake, both desktop and mobile I think. Intel want to syncronize the launch with Windows 10 launch I think the Intel CEO said. Win10 is launching in the summer.

DDR4 is supported through Skylake from the get go. Not sure about DDR4L.
Last thing Ive heard is that USB 3.1 will be supported by both Asus and Dell in the upcoming notebooks
http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/a...ptops-tablets-with-usb-3-1-type-c-connectors/

 

Thanks for the information Cloudfire.

For some reason I am skeptical of the Skylake Q2 2015 release from Intel. I mean if I had to guess maybe 3rd quarter for Desktop and 4th quarter for mobile and even for mobile they will probably release the skylake M processors those tablets and thin lightweight notebooks.

It would be nice if they released i7 Quads skyake processors in time for the Holidays.

 

I'm personally trying to hold off on buying a new laptop with the potential Skylake release so close by.
Then again, its also possible, we won't see anything noteworthy from Skylake in terms of mobile i7 quad cores this year (could easily be next year).

Either way, I think I can wait. I'm not exactly in a rush to get a new system yet (waited for 6 and a half years, might as well give it another 6 months or so for top-end consumer grade technology).

Its a shame AMD won't have Zen up an running until late 2016 (and quite likely for servers only if preliminary data is accurate... in which case, best that they can come up with something would be 2017).

 

I don't think I'm going to hold off since the chances of getting an Skylake i7 quad dual-digitizer ultraportable are too slim, and I don't believe any Skylake dual-core can be faster than Haswell quad.

 

Wow, you been waiting 6 ½ years did I that read correctly? I guess I have been waiting that long also though just to think about it, however I did get a “temp” 14 inch notebook about 2 years ago, that has a Celeron processor and only 2GB of RAM. I am using a 20’ monitor that is also a couple years old. That notebook is suppose to be "Temporary" but see how things turn out when you wait, there is always something to wait for.
However with Skylake’s “potential” combined with USB 3.1 type c (which should will be around for a few years don’t I think) the DDR4, (it will probably be sometime before we see DDR5 memory if that’s what its called) Windows 10, New (er) SSD’s , and Higher Screen resolutions maybe 4K for a 17 inch laptop. I think it would have been worth the wait.
Am I missing anything else? So I really hoping that we will see Skylake i7 quad cores this year, however like you said it could easily be next year.

 

Well, I wasn't originally planning on waiting so long.
The idea was to replace my laptop after about 4 years... but due to lack of finances back then, I had no other option but to wait and do some minor hardware upgrades that were possible (CPU, SSD, HDD, RAM and GPU).

Overall, I think the upgrades managed to extend the life expectancy of this thing quite a bit - that and having easy access to the components themselves for manual cleaning and thermal paste replacement are certainly a bonus.
So, I was initially waiting to see whether we will get a top end mobile GPU from AMD with HBM this year, but considering how badly they're doing, the prospect seems increasingly unlikely.

As I said, I'm not really in a rush since this laptop is still functioning fine for what I need (if not a bit limited for 3d studio Max) and should be ok for another 6 months or so until something better comes out (Broadwell doesn't represent a really interesting change, and Skylake sports an architectural change - I would have likely preferred Zen from AMD to make its debut, but that won't happen until late 2016 and will likely be for servers only)

 

Hey, is there an official statement from Intel that the all new mobile CPU will be soldered onto the mobo from now on? Because I have.

 

You have what?

 

karashin obviously haz

 

I can has well?