Spoilt MXM lot on ebay

Just wondering if this would be a good deal, for the upper fixer.

MXM Lot on ebay.

 

If you want 7 worthless cards that would still be crappy even if you got them working, yeah lol

 

lol...i agree, its not worth the trouble

 

Great opportunity for people with time on their hands and BGA reball facilities.

Thats not one of the best deals I've seen tho. There seems to be a 9800m GT and an 8800m GTS from the HP HDX dragon. Everything else isn't worth much even if its in working condition.

These people tend to have the best deals for that stuff:
Laptop Parts, Wifi Card - Laptop PC items in AtlantaTech store on eBay!

They'll have 100s of high end cards for a few 100$

 

Does the 9800gt/8800 gt have a huge failure rate..

 

Every g8x and g9x architecture-based card has a high failure rate except for g94 g92 B1 55nm revision and g96 C1 55nm.

The 9800m GT, 8800m GTX, 8700m GT, 8600m GT and 8400m GS seem to have an even higher failure rate, though it could simply be due to the higher heat these cards produce.

 

Does the 9800m gtx have the same faailure rate?

 

last i checked the 9800 and 8800 will slap the 8600m teeth out and are worth more than 40 a pop, about 1400 usd a pop and they can be reflowed.

 

9800 GT seems intresting

 

usually they need this done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi43AmDsyNU

 

Why don't you do some research and find out if the 9800m GTX is g92 a or b1 based.

What are you saying exactly?

Firstly no, maximum you can get 200$ USD for 9800m GT. Maybe you meant 140$, that is accurate.

"Can be reflowed" is a little bit of a generalized statement, isn't it?

And by knock the teeth out... if you mean in terms of failure... yes 50w TDP over 25w and more vRAM gives them much higher possibility of failure.

 

i meant ability to play games i would think the 9800 ism uch more powerful i'm no expert on TDP but, even the desktop version of the 88 and 98 were still fairly hot and power consuming i thought.

yes i meant 140, 1400 was a typo.

yeah saying they need a re flow is bit generalized but, more often that not thats usually the case with nvidia with our experiences where i work. the solder joints usually get compromised as nvidias usually runs hotter than ATI it seems chipset or gfx card.

 

Yeah, well I don't think anyone would buy this to get better performance for cheap. Most people who do freelance repairs are trying to make money.

Unfortunately there really are a lot of things that can go wrong with sellers like this, you can tell he hasn't handled the cards well and probably done whatever he felt was necessary to get them to fit in his 'test system'. Undoubtedly they tested them as non working and maybe even tried to repair them through questionable means already.

 

you seems to have sharp eye. mind telling us the ques and clues?

 

Then why are there lots of sellers selling 8800gtx/9800gt at prices way higher?.

 

from what i can tell if it's mxm it's worth a crap ton more.

 

??? If it isn't MXM then you're replacing the entire motherboard, which is valued much more than a single card.

 

supply and demand

 

Once again, you make no sense.

What happens if it's not MXM? What other possible interface is there -- There isn't one for mobile cards. It's either the card is MXM and removable or it's soldered into the motherboard. If the GPU is soldered into the motherboard, it makes the price of that GPU much higher because you must buy a new motherboard at the same time too.

Every mobile dedicated card you see on Ebay complies with some sort of MXM standard.

 

false. i know for a fact toshiba makes removable dedicated cards, but in their own proprietary format. I found out the hard way, when my "removable" toshiba gfx was proprietary, and couldn't be upgraded with mxm. I've seen the proprietary cards on ebay before.

 

You're definitely right. I should have been more clear. I'm referring to high end cards (when I said "every mobile card on Ebay. . .").

The point I'm trying to make is, MXM doesn't dictate anything. To go along with your example, Asus' have MXM cards (yes, they are MXM), but they are proprietary as well (so stupid). The individual card itself is what dictates the price and how many machines are able to use it. Just because it conforms to a "universal standard" doesn't really guarantee anything, which is why the whole "user-upgradable" jargon that goes along with these machines is just wishful thinking.

Also, IIRC Clevo did something ridiculous where they had two MXM 9800GTX's(?) but with different VBIOS which caused compatibility issues for users putting these cards in. Manufacturers find ways to really mess things up.

 

if there is even a motherboard with better gfx card and even then some time they use different screens and or vga cable. i had some Toshibas like that.

supply demand is some thing they say when people want it but, there is so much to offer so they raise the prices or some crap.

MXM is seems kind like a of rarity as in if you have mxm 2 this is the fastest card you caN get so it cost XXX amount of monies to buy it.

 

Asus's cards are not MXM; they merely use the same connector as MXM cards. (I call Asus's card format "RP-MXM", by analogy with RP-SMA.)

To be MXM, a graphics card:
-must use the MXM connector,
-must conform to the physical size & shape requirements dictated by the MXM specification,
-must include a VBIOS on the card that calls the MXM interrupt to configure itself, and
-must operate correctly (within the limits of the platform, so e.g. throttling is allowed) in all platforms with correct MXM-SIS structures.

(The last 2 is where most cards fail; Asus manages to fail on the first step.)

 

^.NetRoller, they don't really fail on the first step seeing as how the connector is in fact the same. Although of course it would nearly impossible to reroute the reversed pins.
It seems mostly the 2nd is were these cards fail although they still function normally sometimes. Many toshiba cards and even some of the MXM 3.0 Asus cards are nearly standard except for the strange shape.

Its worth mentioning that every brand has exceptions, like the ATI 4870 from the asus w90vp, 4850 type II from the c90s, these are totally standard MXM.

.....
The 9800m GT that are priced so high on Ebay that are NOT MXM are probably 2x SLI cards for the Dell m1730.
Dell is one of the only brands that makes the totally proprietary graphics cards, with completely different connectors... other than Precisions and Alienwares of course. Though a few toshibas use proprietary connectors as well.

@Xonar, many of us know about such crazy things going on with manufacturing. However, MXM is not to blame. There is in fact an MXM spec which the manufacturers do NOT follow in the case of these issues as netroller has pointed out. Every problem can be fixed. May even be a software fix for cards without EEPROMs.

You really do need to work on making sense, good sir. For example no one asked what supply and demand is, we were asking how on earth you decided it was related to previous discussion. You keep missing the point others are making and seem to argue over something totally random.

On forums its hard to tell if people are trying to correct each other if everyone is saying vague implied unrelated facts or experiences. Tends to cause a lot of confusion, mistaken insults and offense... So please, exercise some focus if you're capable.

As for tips and ques... to do what? Make money?

I'm not a very good businessperson. However, there is one key to resale I've found... If your seller is intelligent, its not worth it. Good deals come from IGNORANT sellers.

As far as MXM cards specifically... Well what you said is not true, the fact is MXM 2.1 is discontinued. And, this is exactly why there is profit to be made. The 'fastest card' does change depending on new discoveries and availability, so does the cost effective next runner up.
MXM 3.0 continues to grow all the time. In fact, I will soon be selling some cards never before seen by NBR to my knowledge, the GT 540m MXM 3.0 A, the fastest type A nvidia card I've heard of short of the Quadro 2000m or gt 555m which may or may not exist.

And cards sold as is? Heres a tip. Again, if the seller is smart, its not a deal. More importantly - if its Geforce? Forget it. Probably been repaired a dozen times. Quadros are usually well taken care of in business machines and rarely messed with.

 

Excuse me?

 

Well, I tried to figure out EXACTLY what MXM is and I'm afraid it's more like deciphering hieroglyphics:

According to MXM Graphics Module,

This vague explanation is described more by this spreadsheet MXM Graphics Module.

Electrically, I assume Asus' complies, as the connector has to be the same and thermal limits, pins, etc based on the slot (pci-e x16).

The part where the Asus fails is the shape and screwhole locations. Well guess what, it's still considered MXM because of how the language is written:

What are the 'spec values within tolerance'? We don't exactly know where the consortium defines these values or range of values at. Take a look yourself, 'MXM' is a very relative term now, as it broadly encompasses almost every card made today that fits a pci-e x16 lane.

@ Niff, I feel MXM is to blame. Why can't we have a uniform specification that everyone can follow? Why are there so many exceptions to the standard? I think it's a conflict of interest for nvidia and supplying OEM's (securing contracts) and them being the spearhead of the consortium at the same time; we all know how dirty the industry is. Notice how nvidia cards tend to be the oddballs (weird shapes, screwholes, random incompatibilities) and AMD cards are generally more 'universal' (though not all, look at Toshiba).

 

yes, there are 4850s in mxm 2.1. I think there might be a few 4870s also but I have yet to see one...



just like nivida made the 260/280 in a mxm 2.1 and 3.0 card.

 

wow they must be in an extremely limited quantity i thought the 4670 ddr3 was the last of mxm 2.1.

I'm really digging these forums now, never have i had any intellectual stimulating threads and back and forth let alone this many people who know so much.

 

AMD was mean and showed a prototype HD5870 in MXM II IIRC, but yes you can find II 48X0 cards.

 

well they aren't on ebay and i don't know of any NBR owners on the forums.

also as to what niffcreature said, they seem to be just regular old HE 9800m gt models.

 

I had this one laptop that looked perfect as a MXM 2 but when I bought the replacement card, the stupid chips were on the opposite side of the board making no place to put the actual heat sink. I was pissed.

 

You got an asus lol.

 

is there a source like a news article or even a pictures. i'm curious as to what it looks like.

 

Ah it was the 4870 I was thinking of.

Did find this though:

 

WTH is that? that is as large as most laptops

 

4870 Mobility X2 MXM II type IV

 

was the 5870 mxm II type HE?

 

there is no mxmII HE for the HD5870, it's a MXM 3 type B.

 

I'm talking about the aforementioned ES

 

Where do I find one of these giant things?


Sorry to bump such an old thread.