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    Still getting less new storage devices while FILES GETTING BIGGER (games & 4k movies)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by cooldex, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. cooldex

    cooldex Notebook Consultant

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    So im seeing games needing 70gb Updates and movies for 4k is like 25gb (like its an hour and 1:40 mins) im like we seriously cant find another way to compress these files.

    like m.2 the highest you can get is 1.2tb

    standard 2.5inch hdd is 2tb for (7mm) and 3-5tb (15mm which fits in nobody's laptop)
    note: seagate say's they have 7mm 5tb but i couldn't find it though

    ssd max is 4tb for like 1000 bucks if you lucky lol

    standard desktop hdd 3.5 inch 10tb which is around the size of ten actually laptop hardrives usually $400

    but ibm made a 330tb into a tiny cartridge but i doubt that will make its way to market no time soon at a reasonable price.

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/2/1...rd-uncompressed-data-cartridge-cartridge-tape

    so one would think after one game and a movie put you at 100gb its only a matter time till you pushing 1tb. I brought a 4tb hardrive late last year and 250gb left but thats all my 4k videos recoded from my phone and over a dozen games and installation files. over 100 movies and shows at 1080p though
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I fix it for yoo. And you can get 3xM.2 slots + 2x 2.5" slots laptops today.
     
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    Seagate's got those 5TB 2.5" HDDs, but at 15mm in height. o_O So much for sticking those in any laptop. I just bought a work laptop and I will add 2 2TB HDDs. I really don't like external drives. Plus, I've got accustomed to mapping my default folders to these respective drives, which unattached HDDs mess up (unless someone can help me with that).
     
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    While I understand the concern, but is there really that many 4K movies out there? And most you can easily rip to less than half that size with nearly no difference in quality. (x.265 and all). Heck, I rip full 1080p Blu-Ray movies to fit in 4GB or less and they look just as crisp and clean as the original 25GB file.

    I use a 512GB M.2 SSD for boot and apps, 2TB SSD for video and video editing files, and 1TB SSD for games. More than enough room. Granted I don't deal with 4K really, but I do a lot of 1080p video edits and still have a boatload of free space.

    I do have a home server that I use to store completed projects and archived data though.
     
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    Primes Notebook Deity

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    You could always get a 150TB nas.

     
  6. cooldex

    cooldex Notebook Consultant

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    let me guess, it rhymes with tivo, yea those clevos are so big they kinda obligated to have more then one 2.5 hdd.

    yea i don't know what laptop will hold a 15mm hdd, what laptop did you go for... that had 2 hdd slots

    Yea there not many now but since 4k tv's are so popular now, im guessing more 4k content will come shortly, while we still using the same hardware to store them. But i gotta disagree with the blu-ray ripping cause i seen 3.5gb movies and compared them to the same 20gb plus and the larger one won without contest , but i still went for the lower size just for knowing that there can only be so many times i can download 20gb movie on my hdd, let alone just downloading it takes a couple hours.

    I actually thought about that a couple years ago, but I'll wait till I make a ultimate desktop (duel xeons/ sli / 512gb ram/ 24TB 3x8tb hdd)

    yea ima buy a 8tb hdd later on this year though

    But i really wanted to know when are they gonna make any new sizes for m.2 like 8tb cause that will be a lot better since of the small form factor( just for comparison we already have 1tb flash drives)
    and we'll be closer to having ultrabook size mobile workstations.

    and why ssd's aren't any cheaper (cheaper to make then hdds aren't they)

    so yall heard any rumors???
     
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    I would recommend ripping them yourself. Then you have total control over quality. I'm a snob when it comes to video quality, and the video files I've downloaded are a far cry from the original Blu-Ray source. But ripping it myself, it's nearly perfect. Otherwise, Get a big fat hard drive to store your movies on, on a NAS. They don't require an SSD, and stream just fine.
     
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    You will find a lot more with a Google search https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-plans-to-release-128-TB-QLC-SSDs.240774.0.html
     
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    bennni Notebook Evangelist

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    It won't be suitable for everyone but you can set up a NAS system for less than you might think.

    If you fancy a super low evergy NAS, you could load OpenMediaVault onto an SBC like a Banana Pi 1 or Cubot XU4 (Native SATA and USB3 interfaces) and attach a HDD directly to them. It's more expensive than just repurposing an old desktop etc. and with the Banana Pi there are speed restrictions but it's fine for accessing large files. You can even use 3.5 SATA disk if you use an external power source, which are sold on ebay or alliexpress. It's a bit homebrew but I use it to stream to my HTC and to backup and it works well. The XU4 is the pick of the two but it also costs twice as much as the Banana Pi... The Banana is good but there's an annoying 41MB/S read/write speed limitation which will make it unsuitable for some people.

    I attached a photo of the Banana Pi NAS that I have set up (The XU4 has been given other duties). It's clearly a homebrew mess and is ugly but it gets hidden away and is silent. In fairness, the cables could easily to better managed. I put the HDD into an enclosure for protection even though it's hooked directly into SATA. This sits in my cupboard and only spins the HDD up when I access files - the power efficiency, small size and silent operation means that it suits my own needs.

    If it's of any interest, feel free to PM etc... there are also plenty of great guides to help set one up.
     

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    Hey cooldex, it's a Lenovo Thinkpad P70 still being customized by HIDevolution. I hope to have it in a couple of weeks. I will be adding an HDD caddy to the optical bay.
     
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    cooldex Notebook Consultant

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    yea that samsung 128tb looks promising, and I'll pay a thousand plus if its more then 20TB,

    And that banana pi nas smaller then i thought it was going to be, its connected to the router right. But i'll pass, im using my current desktop(4tb-soon to be 12tb) as a backup solution.

    those p70 looks nice, and i woulda brought one too, but i saw a deal on a near perfect spec precision m7710 (i7-6920hq/4k/8gb) under a $1000 just so happen to find a cheap gtx 1070 ($500 vs what they usually cost).

    But i took out my m6500 and its actually smaller then my m7710 and yet it has 1 msata, 1 dvd/hdd, 2 hdd slots. Also the battery is smaller but with near the same capacity 90wh vs 91wh but i'm guessing it must be extremely difficult to design a motherboard layout.

    also since i have my m6500 out, how sure are we with ddr3 sodimm not working with ddr4 slots
     
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    ignore that last question, apparently different pin layout (or to be exact splitter blocks insertion) (or dummy proof)
     
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    Could be even smaller - the case for both the board and the HDD, as well as the heatsink adds extra size. TBH, it works fine without the heatsink but the heatsink was lying around unused. Connects to the router either with WiFi or Gig Eth cable. It's not ideal for mega mass storage (Although apparently you *can* attach multiple HDD's with a splitter cable and external power but this sort of negates the low power purpose of the device).
     
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    I know one of the Clevo resellers (Eurocom?) set up a P650 that normally takes a 9.5mm and 7mm 2.5" to take a 15mm 2.5". It's not very obvious to me where they'd find 8mm more in a P70 (I have one of those myself) to stick a 15mm 2.5" drive, but maybe they can. It turns out that an HDD caddy in the optical bay can take a 9.5mm drive, but the internal 2.5" bay is limited to 7mm (the two 2.5's I brought over from my Dell M6500 are 9.5mm and 7mm, so it worked).
     
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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    Running into a similar issue.

    My Anime 2TB drive is nearly full and thats being conservative. I know others that have 18TB or more for such purposes. I have another 2TB drive for games and its also nearly full. Ive been looking into if I can get one of those 15mm 5TB drives to fit in the drive bay of the Alienware 17 since its the most spacious area that could house it. Its definitely not a mainstream solution though especially since laptops have been trending thinner and thinner.

    That being said I am pretty satisfied with the performance of the Firecuda 2TB SSHD for 7mm, it would be nice if we had 3-4TB 2.5 @ 9.5mm though even if it did sacrifice the SSD cache.

    For anyone interested though, you could easily rip out the 5TB from the enclosure and see if it works in your laptop. For w/e reason its 80 USD cheaper than just buying the drive itself...120USD for a 5TB 2.5 drive isnt bad in my estimation but I could be wrong. I dont keep up with market pricing these days.

    https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Back...01LWRN7Y1/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

    EDIT: I know some will think why the heck will I need so much storage in a laptop. I carry my life with me. I dont have a long term plan usually. Its just easier to carry everything with me where ever I go.
     
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