T2300 Upgrade To T7600

I Got A Toshiba A100-233.cpu T2300 1.66ghz/2m/667 (sl8vr) Package Micro-fcpga On M-socket . Motherboard Is Intel 945gm Chipset.
1) Can I Replace The Cpu By T7600 2.33ghz/4/667 (sl9sd) ???
Knowing That There Are Slight Differances In Their Working
Conditions Such As Heat Desipation Is 34 Watt Instead Of 31
Watt, Plus Stepping Is B2 For T7600 Instead Of C0 For T2300???
2) Should I Change The Heat Sink Or Blower ??
3) Would My Bios (phonix) Support The New T7600 ???
Thank You
Dabadebo

 

If you have a intel i945gm chipset, it will recognize the core 2 duo processor (the t7600)
Each processor has a different stepping, so di not worry about that.
The T7600 will probably run cooler than the T2300, for three reasons, its more effficient, undervolts better, and has a much bigger die (which comes in contact with the heatsink)

I do not know if the bios supports the processor, I would think that it would since the a100 was sold with the T7200 processor.

Before you upgrade the processor, you should go to Toshiba's website and download the latest bios revision for your laptop. Installing the latest bios ensures the best chance that the processor will be supported.

Just remember to use thermal compound after changing the processor. Good stuff to use is arctic silver 5, arctic cooling MX-2, or Tunq TX-2

K-TRON

 

Thank You Mr K-tron
Last Should Package Micro Fcpga Or Fcbga Make Any Difference For Me When Buying The T7600 ??
I Mean In Other Words Are Sl9sd And Sl9sj The Same For Me???
Thanks A Lot
Dabadebo

 

Their is a big difference between FCPGA and FCBGA

YOU WANT FCPGA

FCPGA (Flip-chip pin grid array) has pins, so it fits into a socket.
FCBGA (Flip-chip ball grid array) has balls instead of pins. The balls are their because these fcbga chips are designed to be soldered into the motherboard by a robot.

Your system uses FCPGA chips.

K-TRON

 

Thanks A Lot Mr K-tron
I Wish I Could Thank You Personally
Thank You
Dabadebo

 

UPSSSS!
I JUST LOOKED IN THE LINK http://ark.intel.com/sspecqdf.aspx
I FOUND ,THE T2300 DIE AREA 90 mm2 while for t7600 it is 143 mm2
it means 50% larger you are right !!!
DABADEBO

 

Hi, I wish to know what about the upgrade ?
I need upgrade a dell m90 T2300.
Regards.

 

The precision M90 supports all socket M laptop processors.

You can upgrade to a T2400, T2500, T2600, T2700, T5200, T5300, T5500, T5600, T7200, T7400, or the T7600.

The T5x00 and T7x00 will run faster per MHz clock speed than the T2x00 processors. This is because the T2x00 processors are based on the Yonah core, which is bascally a dual core Pentium M. The T5x00 and T7x00 processors mentioned are based on the Merom core, which is about 25% faster per MHz clock speed than the Yonah core.

K-TRON

 

Hi Mr K-TRON,

would appreciate your advice on Acer 5562 (T2300, 945pm, 1GB DDR2 667mhz, 100GB 5400rpm, X1400) - can I upgrade T2300 to T7400? and can I upgrade the video X1400 to somethinig newer?

Many thanks in advance,
Arman

 

You can upgrade that T2300 to the T7400, but you cannot upgrade that video card; the latter is soldered to the motherboard.

 

Exactly what Commander said.
Your processor is upgradeable. The core duo T2300 you have is generally around 30% slower per MHz clock speed than a core 2 duo, so you will see a cpu performance boost with a T5300, T5500, T5600, T7200, T7400 or T7600.

The T7600 is usually very expensive, so look for the T7200 or a T7400 those have much better prices

K-TRON

 

Thank you for prompt reply, Commander and K-Tron!
very useful forum

 

Upgrade is possible mostly if you have the same series of motherboard, since their chipset slot is almost identical, but the hardest part in upgrading laptops in my opinion is the graphics card upgrade..

 

I'm a newbie here, and I have a Precision M90 with the T2300. Thanks very much for the list of processor upgrades that will work with it.
Any suggestions where those are available?

 

Hi!
I have Asus A6Jc, Socket 479 mPGA, T2300.

Would it be better to upgrade to Core Duo T2700 (2.33GHz) or to Core 2 Duo T7400 (2.16GHz)

Which one is faster?

Thank you!

 

The T7400 will run much faster than the T2700.
The T2700 is based on the core duo platform, which is essentially two pentium M cores slapped together.
The T7400 is based on a higher performance architecture.
Core 2 Duo's are around 25-30% faster per MHz clock speed than a core duo.

You may want to read my processor upgrade thread here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=313598&page=4

K-TRON

 

Thanx K-TRON,

Just reading the thread..

Do you have idea if it is possible to run something like T8100 on my laptop?

 

A T8100 is a socket P Processor
Your ASUS uses socket M processors

For an upgrade, look for a T5600, T7200, T7400 or T7600

K-TRON

 

Thanx! Finally I've bought T7200 for AU150 plus 10 shipping. Now waiting for delivery..

I have another questions; I have 2x 1Gb - can I take one out and put 2Gb instead, to have 3Gb? (I have 32 XP)

 

Your ASUS officially supports 2GB PC5300 memory
However you may be able to get 3gb to work in it.
Your system was launched when the largest cards available were 1gb, so the maximum was 2gb.

If you have the i945 chipset, your system should be able to see 3gb of memory without a problem.

K-TRON

 

Congrats for your purchase. Let us know how it works out.

 

Why did You bought T7200 ?? it's slow ...
I had it .. you should buy T7600 with free selectable multiplier
You could then overclock it from 2.33 to 2.6

 

Because the T7200 is a fast processor, and it is not insanely expensive like the T7600

K-TRON

 

The other issue is that very few notebooks have the ability to change the multiplier in the BIOS.

And the difference between 2.0GHz and 2.33GHz is minuscule . . . if there is something the 2.0GHz processor can't do, then the 2.33GHz won't be able to do it either.

 

K-tron
Look at here on the demand of that T7600: never seen 44 bids on an item...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-Core2-Duo-Mobile-Processor-T7600-2-33G-NEW-TOP_W0QQitemZ170322329668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170322329668&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A4|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Chaz
Do You mean option in BIOS : unlock processor?
think alienvare have it ...
Rep. power 136 ooh jeezz how did u managed that ... ???
are u really that guy on that picture ?

 

There are so many bids, because they are usually in the $350-500 price range

K-TRON

 

Also, I was concerned with putting together 2 different memory modules 1Gb with 2Gb. You can't do it in dual channel on desktop computer... Is it different for laptops?

I have i945 chipset

 

You can install two different sized memory cards. They will perform fine.
They will not run in true Dual Channel mode, but that is okay

Our memory expert, who is no longer with us on nbr, stated that when a 1Gb and 2Gb memory cards were installed, the first 1gb of the 2gb module will run in dual channel with the single 1gb card, and the 1gb left on the 2gb card would run in single channel mode.

In short, it will work

K-TRON

 

My cpuz says I have

Max. bandwidth PC2-4300 (266Mhz),

I guess its 2*266 = 533...(?)

From what I see on ebay 2Gb PC5300 run on 667Mhz (speed supported by my mob according to
http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=eAaFVgw5MXFi9LiF&content=specifications
'Main Memory DDR2 533/667MHz SDRAM, 2x SO-DIMM socket expandable to 2GB'),

but will it run with my current 1Gb PC4300 at 533?

 

Can a t2400 in a sony vaio fe21s be swapped out?

Not saying i will because ive OC'd it to 2.2GHz but its got a lower cache then these newer ones.

Cheers

 

hehehe.. I guess I found answer to my question at http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=374930
and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM

thanx k-tron

 

hi guys!

I need help..

My T7200 finaly arrived, but I can't use it yet.
I've replaced the old processor, when I pressed power button the hdd lights on and nothing happens.

What can I do? Any ideas?

Now I'm back with my old T2300...

 

the i945PM chipset supports the T7200.
I have that chipset and a T7400 in my E1505

When you swapped the processor, did you make sure to lock the T7200 into the socket?

K-TRON

 

yes, I did locked it... I've turned black plastic screw..

can I deduct anything from the fact that the hdd diod was on and no beep or anything..?

is it possible that shipped processor is damaged? it doesn't look like..

 

I have another idea now..
I've looked there http://laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=938
and beside some information about bios update it says that Merom is 667, while Yonah is 533/667
I still have memory running at 266... and maybe this is the problem(?) what do you think guys?

by the way my bios is A6JCMAS.216
on asus website there is one for download A6JCMAS.220

any ideas? help(!)

 

I took out old 533 memory out, and had 667 on T2300, then tried to run T7200.. same result... maybe its the bios..but maybe the processor is dead(?)

 

Hi,
I have a questoin for the folks who have this Toshiba A100 notebook wirh Core Duo (T2300?) CPU.

Does this Toshiba A100 laptop have an older Mini-PCI wifi slot or the newer Mini-PCI Express wifi slot?

Thanks.

 

spinan,
the memory will automatically clock to the proper speed for the processor to run. PC5300 at 667MHz will run at 333MHz with a 1:2 ratio for 667MHz FSB processors and a 3:5 ration for 533MHz cores

These may not be the actual values they run. It is for example.
The memory to cpu link is usually not in a 1:1 ratio.

You should try updating to the latest BIOS revision for your system.
If it doesnt work for you, send the processor to me. I can test it for you. If you were sold a dead processor you should get refunded

K-TRON

 

Thanks K-TRON, but won't have to do it. I've updated bios and the processor works.

My previous bios was dated to May 2006, the new bios is Oct 2006. There was no information about core 2 duo in bios description, so I thought that wouldn't be relevant, and first I wanted to check other options..

I like new sandra results; 15.3GIPS and 12.43GFLOPS, its 33% increase comparing to T2300 and it give me a lot - I run some optimizations in Matlab and Fortran

 

Forgot to ask, would I beable to run 64-bit windows with T7200?

 

The T7200 supports 64 bit processes. It will run windows X64 without any problem. The T7200 also has virtualization technology

I am glad everything is working out for you

K-TRON

 

I've got 65 Celcius degree on CPU (with fan less than half speed), according to HW monitor.. I use MX-2.. Is that normal?

 

My T7400 runs around 135-140F (~60C) at 100% load with fans at 100% speed.

65C is pretty normal for mid usage. Crank the fans maybe to 70% and the temperatures will drop more.
The lower the temperature, the less of a chance your components will fry.

K-TRON

 

well.. I had 75 in sandra arithmetic benchmark...

while changing processor couple of times, I was cleaning processor from old thermal component, but not the metal radiator.. could anything happen? there was few days of span, since I first cleaned that and put mx2..

what is yours fan mid and full speed?

 

Full RPM is 4200rpm at 8.43cfm according to the data sheet on my fan.

I am not aware of a fan control program for your ASUS.
In my above post, I forgot that you have the ASUS, and not the XPS M1210 another member with similar problems had.


You should be fine with your current thermal paste. Try undervolting the processor with CPU Rightmark. That will reduce your cpu temperatures.

For guidance My T7400 runs
6 x - 0.9500V
7 x - 0.9500V
8 x - 0.9500V
9 x - 1.0000V
10 x - 1.0125V
11 x - 1.0250V
12 x - 1.0375V
13 x - 1.0500V

Your T7200 has a maximum multiplier of 12, so just ignore the 13 x multiplier I have

K-TRON

 

Hello, I'm doing a Celeron m 520 to T7200 with my Compaq Presario V6402ca this week as soon as the T7200 gets here. I got the laptop in peices waiting. I will post if it worked or not.

 

Welcome to notebookreview,

Your processor upgrade should be fine as long as your system has a I945 series chipset. Just make sure to use the small flat head screw on the socket to lock the processor in place. Make sure to use a little thermal paste and than rebuild your laptop.

K-TRON

 

Thanks for the welcome.

i945gm chipset. CPU-Z shows the Celeron as being Merom so I should be good. My only concern is a couple of the ribbon cables I'm not sure how they go in, I didn't notice how two of them released so I may have trouble puting them back. one is for the power button and the other the volume and mute buttons. Thanks for any help you can give.

 

Most ribbon cables are attached in two ways:

1) there is a plastic clip which you pull up (perpendicular from the motherboard) with your finger nail



2) there is a small plastic clip on either end of the cable which you pull out (parallel to the motherboard) Do not pull too hard. Maybe 1mm or so then the ribbon cable comes out. Simply push back in to lock the cable back in place.



K-TRON

 

I figured those out, maybe they are like #2 but they seem different.