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    T7400 M-bga Turned Into Pga With Pins

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by MOBARAK ZAYED, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. MOBARAK ZAYED

    MOBARAK ZAYED Notebook Enthusiast

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    I Am Looking In E Bay For A T7400/t7600 (socket M With Pins)to Buy. I Found More Than One Seller Who Claims That, However That Their Cpu Name Shows It Is A Bga (with Contacts),but Their Cpu Is Actually Changed To Be A Pga (with Pins ) ,with The Name Still Unchanged On It .i Mean Name Still (sl9sk / Sl9sj).
    Can This Be True ? How?
    One Seller Said Pins Were Sticked To Cpu!!
    In That Case ,i Imagin, Cpu Would Become Thicker !! And Heatsink Attaching Legs Might Have A Problem Then !! Or What ?
    Should I Go And Buy That Cpu?
    Dabadebo
     
  2. Andy

    Andy Notebook Prophet

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    Yes, it is possible. It'll work fine, because the CPU is the same as any other T7400/T7600. Pins are not stuck, but an adapter is used.
    There shouldn't be any problem with the heat-sink as the thickness of the adapter is in the order of like 10<sup>-4</sup>m. But checkout the warranty and all before buying. It should have about 1-2 months warranty.
     
  3. MOBARAK ZAYED

    MOBARAK ZAYED Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks A Lot Andy But Are Pins Now Soldered To Cpu Contacts ? Or Are They Just Attached ?
    And Who Has Done That ? Intel Or ?
    Thanks
    Dabadebo
     
  4. kaltmond

    kaltmond Clepple

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    Not by Intel, it´s soldered to the adapter, which has 4XX pins.
     
  5. Kolvig

    Kolvig Newbie

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    Hi...

    I have just bought a T7400 there should fit into my mobile desktop mobo I975Xa-YDG. But when I got the CPU I see that its a ball version SL9SK. I was not aware that there was 2 version and I still don't know what a normal guy like me can use a BGA version to?

    But in this treat I can see there is mentioned an adapter BGA to PGA. Can anyone tell me where I can buy one of these?

    I really hope somebody can help me. Because my CPU is useless right now.


    Kind regards
     
  6. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Personally, I haven't seen any kind of adapters for any kind of BGA parts that don't cost more than $250 USD. The best way to go forward would be to try and return that CPU.

    None of the BGA adapters that I'm aware of would work on the T7400 anyway.
     
  7. Kolvig

    Kolvig Newbie

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    Aaargh!!

    I don't like to see your answer... :)

    But thank you for your reply anyway. Now it looks like I don't need to spend more time to investigating the troubles I have got myself into.

    The seller have a policy that he don't take back the CPU, so I'm stock with it...:-(........ I simply can't undestand that a Ebay seller sells these CPU to his customers. me or anyone normal customers cant use them to anything at all. It only the customers there don't know about the ball and pins issue, there can buy these with a mistake.

    I'm very dissapointed and I really feel that the Ebay seller cheats his customers.


    Kind regards
     
  8. ortegaluis

    ortegaluis Notebook Consultant

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    Don't purchase them. They will be unstable.
    I've bought a few SL9SK processors "with pins". They were soldered on. I don't know by whom, but they are not produced that way by Intel. The processors work fine for a couple of weeks, and then fail to operate at all. Luckily for me, the seller refunded my purchase and all is good thus far.

    I contacted intel regarding this issue and was informed that a micro-FCBGA processor, as in the SL9SK, is a ball type processor which doesn't necessarily have to be soldered in place. Think of it as an LGA775 processor if you will. I was informed, by intel, that it's up to the OEM computer manufacturer if they want to solder the processor or not.
     
  9. ramgen

    ramgen -- Morgan Stanley --

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    Yeah, I would stay away from them too.

    The capacitance and resistance of those pins play vital role in the stability of the CPU. Soldering additional parts to a CPU is something that can be messed up easily...

    --
     
  10. ortegaluis

    ortegaluis Notebook Consultant

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    There's a reason why Intel sells these processors for XXX amount. Manufacturing a processor requires precision that average Joe cannot reproduce.
    Purchasing a FCBGA processor with soldered pins gets a big NO in my book. The only reason I bought those processors was because I jumped into the purchase without doing research.

    Bottom line is, DON'T buy them.
     
  11. weirdo81622

    weirdo81622 Notebook Evangelist

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    Did you read the original listing carefully? There must be some sort of model name difference between the PGA and BGA models. Check to see if the seller represented the part correctly. If not, immediately contact the seller that you're going to start a Paypal dispute (and start one). If the seller left out the detail that would be the difference between PGA and BGA, so the listing could technically be for 2 different CPUs, contact the seller and threaten to leave negative feedback.

    Most sellers will bend their rules a little to avoid negative feedback.
     
  12. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    this is really the only thing you can do and really good advise!

    Good luck