The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

jup except the hdds

but no fans that means.

i hope for MLC with 4 bits per cell (or 4 states? what ever it was again.. ) and more to make cheap "slow" data-storage possible. at least, quite cheap.. and quite big..

 

Yes big will be nice, as long as the controlers can handle the wear leveling logic.

 

that wouldn't even matter much for storage-disks. they don't get overwritten that often. i like fast'n'small + big'n'slow. (with a relative slow, of course).


and it's terrible.. once getting used to SSDs you want to get everything silent in your home

 

....Yea...I can actually hear my Netbook's fan!

 

I can hear it, too. From here!!!

but seriously, yes. For me, the next big industry-target is silencing. cars, computers, notebooks. everything.

i'm a dj, i love silence

 

I agree about silence completely. Computers are MUCH better, even without SSD's. Washer and dryer are BIG progress. But the most progress is DISHWASHERS. My dad has one that I must look for the light to see if it is on, truly amazing. And I bought the quietest vacuum on the market, Miele. Have never regretted thta, but they still have a ways to go.

And when I by tires, I make sure they are good and quiet ones. Can make a huge difference.

And I will NOT see a loud movie. That kills about 75% of them.

here is an entire web site dedicated to silent computing... http://silentpcreview.com/

 

My 4x120mm Yate Loon SL's, 1x140mm Antec Tri-Cool, 1x Xigmatek 120mm, and leaf blower video card give my room a steady level of white noise.

I actually like it, it helps me sleep.

 

Just to let You know that I bought one Super Talent MasterDrive SX 64 GB from eBay for 200.99$.

It is same as Samsung PB22-J or OCZ Summit, and I think it's a good price, especially for items that are available for Croatia.

While I'm writing this, there is still 6 of them available.

 

Supertalent ROCKS! Newegg should have them on the 26th for $172.00
With that prce for the 64gb i was really hopig for a 128gb around $250
should i pull the trigger for my second ssd or see what happens with sandisk and the others???

 

I love the Supertalent drive i got, its QUICK i cant believe how much faster it is than my 7200RPM RAID array was.

 

I see that you have 64 GB Samsung SLC, maybe You'll be interested in this one

@ Kamin_Majere: Do You have MasterDrive SX or something else?

 

I'm using the 128GB Ultradrive

 

I'm looking for a non-SanDisk SSD to go into my Dell D430 - needs to be atleast 64gb, but the only Mtron ones that fit are 16gb and 32gb.

I'm having a lot of trouble finding out information on this!

Can anyone advise where I can buy one of these drives with capacity of 64gb or higher?

 

If it is 1.8" ZIF drive than Samsung have solution.

 

Good find! I've been thinking of going with a RAID0 solution! I just wasn't able to find a drive <$200 since geeks.com carried them.

Now i just have to wait and see if i blow all my money on a new Volvo C30 tonight or not

Edit: I just thought of this while contemplating the steps i would have to take to switch to RAID0; I have to image my current system to the spinner i have in my 2nd bay right now, take it out, throw in my second ssd, then clone the spinner to my new RAID0 array. Would it be worth defraging my system while it's on the spinner? or is that not an option with acronis (or any other). I usually just do a fresh install but this time, i'm feeling lazy and want to try something new.

 

Newegg has the Kingston V series 64GB for $120. Reviews are sort of mixed, though, on the new Toshiba-JMicron controller.

 

There's a review in this forum. As the saying goes, fool me once ...

 

I just though of something with you talking about RAID.
With a HDD its pretty easy to RAID 0 because as long as the size and RPM's are the same the preformance differences arent that large. But with a SSD a 128GB drive can have VASTLY different preformance ratings, so you have to be alot more careful which drives you match up to which drives or your array will be crippled in one way or another.

As to your new RAID... dont be lazy Do it right and have it work great for you

 

I'm only aware of 2 IOMeter runs for this drive. One has OK results (over 200 IOPS for 4K random writes) while the other has abysmal results (~20 IOPS). I've also read a single person say that Kingston has claimed there are 2 different controllers that are being used for these drives and it is luck of the draw which one you get.

Either way, for the price I think you'd have to be crazy to go for the v-series over some of the other options available NOW, not to mention some of the options that will be available VERY soon. The SuperTalent MasterDrive SX discussed in the last couple of pages for $180, for example, will wipe the floor with the v-series. $20 more will get you an Indilinx based drive. So why even consider the V-series?

 

Where do you find a 64GB Indilinx based drive for $140?

 

If partitions are aligned I don't see reason why not go with Acronis.

BTW: if you have Maxtor or Seagate HDD You can download Disk Wizard. It is same as Acronis but free for Maxtor and Seageta users.

And if partitions aren't aligned You can crate new partition on RAID array, align it and copy partition from unaligned to align with Norton Gost 12 and it will stay aligned.
Never done it, but remember reading it somewhere.

 

Yeah its same thing corsair did. Rebrand good reputable SSD for a while then slip a cheapy in there and hope people assume, it to will be a good drive... not so much...

I think he meant $20 more than the Masterdrive SX

I haven't made the purchase yet but ty for all the input and would i be able to/ it be worth defragging the image while it's on the spinner?

 

So it's $80 more for the Indilinx over the V series. Or 67% higher.

 

well, if it will remain on spinner, than it would be worth, but, since you are going to image it back to ssd-s, than it's no use for defrag...
why ?
well, we need to take a look what defraging is doing to your data first
all those copy/paste, install/uninstalls will make all your files split in few parts
so, if you, let's say try to open 30 mb pdf file split on 3 different places on mechanical drive, than mechanical head need to move itself from one position to another 3 times...and that is called random access time...
since ssd-s have random access time around 0,2 and hdd-s around 20 ms, it is clear that files on ssd-s don't need to be defragmented because ssd-s have ability to reach files on different positions on drive itself almost instantly, and on hdd-s that could take some time...

also, wear level on ssd-s make all files fragmented a lot, because wear leveling simply works that way....

so, no, there is no point defragmenting your data while it is on hdd

 

OK...

So pay $120 for a drive that will perform about the same as the much-maligned JMF602B-based SSDs at worst, or about the same as a JMF602B-based SSD with zFlashpoint (or other free wordaround caching software) installed at best. YMMV depending on which controller is inside your V-series which is apparently a crap-shoot.

Or, pay $60 more (SuperTalent MasterDrive SX) for a drive that will actually be faster than the HDD that it is replacing.

Your use of % price difference to compare the more expensive Indilinx drive (rather than the cheaper ST SX) to the one-day sale price for the V-series is OK if you want to be hyperbolic, but the fact is that the POS V-series is only $60 less expensive than an SSD that actually performs like an SSD.

Forget about the percentage price difference. The absolute difference is 60 bux. I make that in an afternoon of selling tupperware while you are out playin' pattycake with your friend Pedro.

 

And when You buy Summit/Samsung PB22-J/MasterDrive SX it'll be faster, quieter, will consume less power and be more "data friendly" than any HDD.

 

Boy, we are sensitive when it comes to JMicron controllers, aren't we .

Hey, the Indilinx or the Samsung controllers may be the better buys, or maybe not. I am not recommending the V over the others, or vice versa. A $60 difference for a 64GB is not insignificant. You have been assuming that the drive has a high chance of stuttering, but that has not been reported in the few reviews so far. If it does not stutter, I don't see that bad a decision in buying this when it only costs $120. But clearly, it is not the right drive for you, or everyone.

 

If you are working on a budget than the V series might be a good choice but for 60 bucks more, you get a drive with better specs and performance. Since you are looking for performance gains using SSD, you might as well spend that money on something that works better.

 

And clearly there are people on a budget, right? Those with netbooks may want to try SSD's to improve load times, and the V series will provide a lower barrier to entry. Of course if this series stutters, then we should be telling people to stay away from it. But reading the user reviews, there are happy owners, so far.

 

LOL, sorry if I can across as sensitive. I'm just warning you to stay away because I can speak from current experience. I actually have a JMicron drive and have just been waiting for something better to come along at the same price point. I bought my OCZ Solid Series at $100 several months ago - so cheaper than the Kingston V-series. So considering that the V-series is more expensive with very similar performance (not good), I don't think it is a deal at all.

I am actually assuming that the v-series will NOT stutter. But just because it doesn't stutter doesn't mean it is a good buy. One users' benchmarks on the v-series show that it is still in stutter territory anyway (about ~20 IOPS for small random writes). Regardless, a 60GB 5400rpm HDD definitely doesn't stutter, has higher small write IOPS (around 50-70 for the HDD vs. about 20 according to one users benchmarks), and is a fraction of the cost of the V-series. So I just don't see how the v-series is a good option.

I'm one of those users that is on a budget and desperately wants a drive that not only doesn't stutter but also follows through on the claim that SSDs far outperform HDDs. So far Indilinx drives have come the closest and IMO are the best budget drive out there right now (significant considering how close it comes to the Intel).

I really wanted the V-series to be the new best budget drive (because I want to replace what I have now) but it just isn't according to the scant benchmarks that have been done so far. At best it barely outperforms a HDD. But it most definitely pales in comparison to the good SSDs. The V-series 4KB random write IOPS are 20 or 200 vs Indilinx at over 15,000. I think that is well worth the extra money.

If it is really out of your budget I highly recommend that you just wait ~2 months until the market provides some options that perform awesome at a sub $150 price point. That's what I'm waiting for...hopefully not in vain!!!

 

yep. in short: if you don't have the budget to buy a decent ssd, just don't buy one. a hdd will perform much better if money is very low.

 

Maybe V-Series aren't that good, but it's good to have more and more manufacturers trying make they own controller, which will probably lower price.

And if You are looking for good SSD for "low" price maybe these are a good choice:

Samsung SLC 64 GB (100 MB/s read, 80 MB/s write)

Super Talent MasterDrive SX 64 GB (Samsung controller, 200 MB/s read, 120 MB/s write)

 

It depends on what you consider a decent ssd. A V series, based on user reviews so far, appears to be a decent one. Not everyone needs 200Mbps sequential read writes. This still provides much faster access times than spinners, and they are quieter than spinners. The real issue is whether there is noticeable stuttering, and so far users on newegg have not reported that.

Threre are a lot of happy users with 8 or 16GB SSD's on netbooks. You may not call those decent SSD's, but they definitely can improve the responsiveness of the system.

 

By the time you add shipping, you're at $180+ again. Also, I would worry about warranty coverage, or lack thereof.

 

full agreement. if it's worth the money, and the gain is there, all is fine. question is just, is it, compared to some nice 50$ or so fast hdd.

and you know i'm the ultimative ssd lover. i just say hdd's have their place, too. they are great performers for their price.

 

Haha, I used to be a dj too, and placed the speakers in such a way that it was usually quietest where I was.

I hope you're wrong about cars. I enjoy the sound of a loud exhaust, but more important, I can't drive nearly as well without the audio feedback from the tires. It's not the squeeling noise I listen for, more of the growling noise that I care about.

I can do without hearing computers.

 

once you've droven a nearsilent electrocar, no, i'm serious. it's like the ssd for cars. suddenly all the things so cool about a car are realized to be just useless crap cult

but for security reasons, cars shouldn't be silent per se. but reducing the noise to the useful part, and taking away all the other useless noises is great.

even then, "sport cars" will sound like them. except, if, by then, it's hip to not "have to be loud" to be cool.

i have a lot of talk about dj's about how bad the monitors are or what ever. and my reply everytime: i use my headphones. i can regulate them to be nice for me, not too loud, not too less to not hear the music detail. and no need for all those "helper speakers".

noise polution nowadays is quite an issue, and at least something every form of industry can target with their products. that way, the industry stays alive and innovation can grow

 

You are right!

I just like to pay few $ extra and don't worry about controller, FW and stuff like that.

BTW: I'm buying IT stuff from eBay because there is big range of product and lowest price + lowest shipping.

 

jup. as i have to buy most of my stuff from ebay, i think in croatia, this is even more true..

 

I would like to have a possibility to go to local store, pay for stuff, get warranty and bill, but pay 50% more, or even twice more, no thanks.


Maybe it is better to by two on eBay for price of one in local store, and if both work resell one and make some easy money.

 

""noise pollution nowadays is quite an issue, and at least something every form of industry can target with their products. that way, the industry stays alive and innovation can grow."" We think alike about noise. The only other form of pollution that is more under-perceived than noise pollution is LIGHT pollution. What ever happened to DARK and QUIET ???

 

What you don't like your pretty backlit keyboard???

 

One reason I love my backlit keyboard is..... I can turn it off

 

Nice (10 char)

 

My Filego Expresscard 48gb just came in. That thing barely protrudes out from the slot and with the casing on, you dont really notice it in there. I dont have a screen shot of it on this laptop now, I will put one up when I get back.

So far I havent push it hard enough to see it stutter even though it is using a jmicron controller (got to know it only after I bought it ) Installing OSX took about 40plus mins and I didnt feel the heat problem that many complained in the Newegg reviews.

I will update again after I used it for a longer period.

 

Benchmarks on filego expresscard please? Curious about random r/w performance

Thanks in advance

 

The random 4k writes are abysmal. LOL about 1.5mb/s. The rest are what you would expect from a jmicron drive. I will post the xbench stats later when I get home.

 

I like light. But I only use LEDs in my appartment anymore. I don't like "warm" light, and I don't like light to warm up my appartment for no reason. If i want to heat up my appartment, I turn on the heater..

 

I prefer my light over the screen I can turn on so I can illuminate my keyboard, my fingers, and the notes on the paper beside my laptop actually..

Yep, my laptop has an LED light over it's screen.. Much more useful than a backlit keyboard. while not as "cool" maybe.

 

Daverperman, the rumors are Braidwood will have a sequential transfer in the range of 200MB/s. If it becomes mini X25-M, it's going to be sweet.