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    The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Les, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. Jackboot

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    I agree - if Kingston/Toshiba/JMicron were able to improve the small random writes by just a bit then it would solve the stuttering problem and make these drives useable.

    But I've only seen 2 proper benches for the V-series (using IOMeter) and the results are very inconsistent.
     
    Jackboot, Jul 20, 2009
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  2. Gabriel_GR

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    The new generation at <$200 for the 80GB MLC will be hard to resist. Of course, I think they'll probably be at $2/GB for low capacities by year end, so there is incentive for waiting a little bit longer.
     
    chunglau, Jul 20, 2009
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  4. chunglau

    chunglau Notebook Evangelist

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    Newegg has sold out of the Intel X25-M 80GB drives. Perhaps they are waiting for the new version to arrive?
     
    chunglau, Jul 20, 2009
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  5. nu_D

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    $209 for the 80GB and $391 for the 160gb along with even better performance? Ohhhh mannnnnn.

    If this is true.... wow.

    OCZ and the rest will crap themselves. I can just see that "Tony" OCZ dude going like... OMFG. haha.

    I still can't get over the fact that OCZ shipped a customer a blank hard drive and he had to deal with a guy named "Tony" on a forum to get it resolved.... haha. Too funny.
     
    nu_D, Jul 20, 2009
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  6. Mr. Wonderful

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    It's not very often when manufacturers charge according to the exchange rate. It could be $180 in the US, it could be that $265ish figure that has been floating around. Does Intel usually, does anybody know?
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Jul 20, 2009
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  7. nu_D

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    According to the exchange rate it would be about $265. So you are right, they wouldn't be charging according to the exchange rate if they charged $209 for it. :p

    They are saying it might be $209 considering that Europe tends to get the shaft when it comes to prices... if you check amazon.co.uk, they are charging $420 for the X25-M 80GB when you can get it for $315 off newegg.

    We can't know for sure what the final price will be...

    But if it's near the $200 mark, then like I said, man oh man...

    And no.. nobody knows at this point.

    BTW, seems like newegg has stock of the 80GB X25-M.
     
    nu_D, Jul 20, 2009
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  8. Jlbrightbill

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    Early pricing puts this in the territory that makes it foolish to buy any 64GB drive less that costs more than $150.
     
    Jlbrightbill, Jul 20, 2009
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  9. laggedout

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    Is Intel releasing new 'Extreme' too or just the normal one?
     
    laggedout, Jul 20, 2009
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    Question of the year. If there is an E version coming out, I hope it's something that puts the 1st gen E to shame (more capacity, faster R/W and more iops...)

    Oh, and kingston should put an E version of it's "kit" out too!
     
    ganzonomy, Jul 20, 2009
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  11. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Notebook Evangelist

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    We're getting close.

    Are we seeing consistant July 31st release dates for Postville, or does only one/a couple sites have that date?

    And then how long before Amazo n and Newegg have them on their sites? Same day?

    *Is way too excited for a HW upgrade*
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Jul 20, 2009
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  12. sgogeta4

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    I hope their SLC version finally maxes out the SATA/300 spec in R/W...
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 20, 2009
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  13. makaveli72

    makaveli72 Eat.My.Shorts

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    Ya'lls a bunch of SSD Fiends...just look at the last 6 pages in this thread. It's pityful! You should be ashamed of yourselves. :rolleyes: :p
     
    makaveli72, Jul 20, 2009
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  14. Cape Consultant

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    It really is pretty funny. When INTEL speaks, we listen :)
     
    Cape Consultant, Jul 20, 2009
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  15. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Come taste the sweet ssd nectar, you'll be hooked for life. :D
     
    Jayayess1190, Jul 20, 2009
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  16. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Intel SS-D's announced Link is Dailytech

    :D Death to hard drives!

     
    Jayayess1190, Jul 21, 2009
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  17. bunta

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    So its not actually "released" to consumers just yet????... wth man :(
     
    bunta, Jul 21, 2009
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  18. Les

    Les Not associated with NotebookReview in any way

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    Just got my new Studio XPS 13 with 256Gb of god loving ssd...as a Dell exchange from the m1330...

    Nada better than free right? Oh...gotta 64gb Samsung slc ssd i will need to part with eheheh...not Intel though.
     
    Les, Jul 21, 2009
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  19. Mr.X

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    They pulled the article for some reason...
    No sign of it at Dailytech anymore.
     
    Mr.X, Jul 21, 2009
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  20. davepermen

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    Jayayess1190 has a magic rss feed from the future!! you know! :)

    i like it that way. i've had ssds wich much higher write speeds (up to 200MB/s or so?!) still hibernate on the intel is MUCH faster. which is illogical due to it's 70MB/s write speed. and still true. it's weird... that drive is just fast, no matter what... :)

    but i like the lowered latencies :)

    now lets wait for the new pricing... and for the 320gb ones :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  21. maumu

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    i wonder if the 1st generation intel ssds will get another firmware upgrade to incorporate TRIM?
     
    maumu, Jul 21, 2009
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  22. davepermen

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    I hope both have the same firmware :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  23. maumu

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    i hope too, 'cos it'll sux for those of us who've bought the first gen... the firmware is supposedly upgradable right?
     
    maumu, Jul 21, 2009
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  24. davepermen

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    yep. allready did an upgrade. even works without erasing any data on disk. so it's quite cool :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  25. Mr. Wonderful

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    Wow. $225 is better than expected.
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Jul 21, 2009
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  26. IntelUser

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    Apparently, the sequential write speeds of the 80GB and 160GB will be slightly different. The 80GB is supposed to have 90MB/s write and 160GB is at 100MB/s write.

    I've carefully read through the site that benchmarked the Generation 2 X25-M using CDM and they seemed to have got better scores. It looks like the chipset combination wasn't good. Check the scores out again!

    NEW: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3605

    Interesting :)
     
    IntelUser, Jul 21, 2009
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  27. Tomy B.

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    Price of 225$ is just for box with 1000 Intel SSDs.

    Read/Write latency down from 4200/4700 to 65/85 microseconds is fantastic.
     
    Tomy B., Jul 21, 2009
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  28. davepermen

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    bah, wanted to post the anandtech post.. haven't even read it yet :) bah.
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  29. IntelUser

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    4200/4700 is a typo. The current "Ephraim" X25-M is at 85/115us. http://www.intel.com/design/flash/nand/mainstream/index.htm

    Just a thought: If they manage to raise the random write speeds on par with the sequential write speeds, it'll clearly have a lot of impact.
     
    IntelUser, Jul 21, 2009
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  30. Mr. Wonderful

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    When can we expect Newegg or Amazon to start carrying them?
     
    Mr. Wonderful, Jul 21, 2009
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  31. davepermen

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    it's not a typo, but a reference to the latency of the "amazing" raptor :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  32. Jackboot

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    Price is even better than expected. Great news!
     
    Jackboot, Jul 21, 2009
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  33. davepermen

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    yes. who wants to buy 1000 ssds with me? :) they're quite cheap if you buy them in a large package :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  34. goofball

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    Sure, i'll take one :p
     
    goofball, Jul 21, 2009
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  35. sgogeta4

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    I'll take 2! :p
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 21, 2009
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  36. davepermen

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    okay, i'll take the resting 997.. now isn't that a good deal? :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  37. Quicklite

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    The new price is great... But I guess the UK price would still be an extortion for time to come, err...

    I'd be very interested to see what OCZ and Samsung do. Vertex Turbo was recently announced, indicating that a faster drive than Vertex to compete, so I doubt there would be any major product releases for a while, thus all they could do is lowering the price substantially. My guess is that Samsung would probably drop the price of 256Gb drive to $450-ish soon.

    How many would get OCZ alternative, if its priced close to Intel, I don't know; but I would guess purely Intel's brand would sell more, not to mention it's superior in many ways. Any idea if Indilinx controller will get refresh soon?
     
    Quicklite, Jul 21, 2009
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  38. sgogeta4

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    Since Dell has the Samsung 256GB for $480 already (from $700), I wouldn't be surprised if we see it drop to $400 soon...
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 21, 2009
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  39. nu_D

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    Man, this makes me feel all fuzzy inside.

    I think Tony from OCZ is doing cartwheels right about now...

    haha
     
    nu_D, Jul 21, 2009
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  40. goofball

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    Seeing as how you need my 1 to get closer to 1000, i want a discount :p

    Indilinx-based SSD's will have a place so long as they are less $ per GB, I believe. The only thing that they have going for them over the Intel is their higher sequential write speeds.
     
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  41. makaveli72

    makaveli72 Eat.My.Shorts

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    Hey leave Tony alone! :D

    OCZ FTW! :)
     
    makaveli72, Jul 21, 2009
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  42. TehSuigi

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    Price drop + TRIM support = DO WANT.
    Heck, even a starving student like me can scrounge up $225 or so to afford 80GB of blazing speed (and the $30 or so to get an optical bay hard drive adapter).
     
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  43. Mr.X

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  44. Tomy B.

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    So 4200/4700 microseconds are for fastest HDD VelociRaptor, a 2.5" HDDs have at least twice as that.
    If You compare fastest 2.5" HDD to new Intel... :D
     
    Tomy B., Jul 21, 2009
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  45. Tomy B.

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    Tomy B., Jul 21, 2009
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  46. Althernai

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    Yes, but this means they have to drop in price by quite a bit right about now. If you check out AnandTech's article, you will see that the new Intels cost less per GB than Indilinx drives.
     
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  47. davepermen

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    well mine had 15ms latency.. and i went to 1ms..

    but yes, it's more than impressive :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 21, 2009
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  48. eney

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    I'd also take 1, so you'll get 996, if you don't mind :)
     
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  49. chris_5252

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    Im a bit new to SSDs. But is the new Intel 34nm better than OCZ's Vertex SSD ,because the Vertex that would appear to have a greater write speed an it also has a fairly high read speed.
     
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  50. sgogeta4

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    Sequential R/W speed isn't everything. That's pretty much the only area where the Vertex exceeds the Intel. Random R/W speed have a much greater impact since OSes require many random R/W upon booting up and the Intel is by far the best in the consumer market.
     
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