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    The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Les, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. sgogeta4

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    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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    I got my quadcore + 24" for (back then) <2000$ instead of >3000$.

    I got my 2370p for <1000$ instead of >3000$ in my config.

    Then again, I'm the one SUPPORTING your statement :)

    and yes, we're just waiting for tests and more (better) prices to pop up :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 22, 2009
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  3. jminiman

    jminiman Notebook Guru

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    Darn - already ordered. Maybe I can have that applied after the order is submitted? I just wrote customer service. I'm sure they won't help me out.
     
    jminiman, Jul 22, 2009
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  4. Jlbrightbill

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    [​IMG]
     
    Jlbrightbill, Jul 22, 2009
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  5. davepermen

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    nice find. i'm still impressed they have lower read than write in the 4k test. no clue why, but okay :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 22, 2009
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  6. sgogeta4

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    I think every SSD and HDD I've seen have lower 4K reads than writes... don't know why either, don't really care though :p
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  7. davepermen

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    not really, back in those days, it looked all different (first 3rd of the thread :) so it's yeaaaars old haha)

    [​IMG]
     
    davepermen, Jul 22, 2009
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  8. HRUNTING

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    For HDD's, I always thought it's because you can buffer writes but not reads. For some SSD's maybe the same principle can apply, although like Dave's example above, it's definitely not the case on my Vertex (4kb reads are ~3x writes)
     
    HRUNTING, Jul 22, 2009
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  9. sgogeta4

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    Hmm reviewing some of the later SSD CDM shots, I guess a lot have better reads than writes, except the Intel... I guess it has to do with their controller.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  10. TehSuigi

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    Still waiting for a store in Canada to list the new X25-Ms.
     
    TehSuigi, Jul 22, 2009
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    Hello, im pretty dure this question has already been asked a few times, but you know... i didn't have time to read all 702 pages! so i was asking myself if changing the HDD for an SSD was voiding the warranty... for a vaio as an exemple.. i dont have it yet, but i might by an ssd for the laptop, not in the coming months but later... it's just to know... thank you

    frank633
     
    frank633, Jul 22, 2009
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  12. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    No, it won't void warranty.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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    it depends on the manufacture and how lenient they are on the warranty. Most of them, including sony i believe, will let you change the harddrive without voiding the warranty
     
    godbreath, Jul 22, 2009
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  14. nu_D

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    They wouldn't know anyway. If you have to send it to them, just put in the old hard drive.

    I mean... even if they ask you if you changed the hard drive, you could always.... lie.

    lolz.
     
    nu_D, Jul 22, 2009
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    lol right thanks
     
    frank633, Jul 22, 2009
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    godbreath, Jul 22, 2009
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    thanks for the linkage
     
    jcll03, Jul 22, 2009
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  18. sgogeta4

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    Looks like SATA/600 is needed, 260MB/s seems to be the max for the SATA/300 spec after overhead. Too bad Intel doesn't increase their sequential writes, I wonder if the controller btw the SLC and MLC models is any difference since Anandtech implies that they are the same. Also, I wonder when stores will have the X18-M Gen2 in stock.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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  19. sxusteven

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    [​IMG]
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    Latest Intel G2 SSD benchmarks from PC Perspective
    These are benchmarks of the 160GB model
     
    sxusteven, Jul 22, 2009
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    Those numbers look a lot better than the 1st review of the drive! :cool:
     
    Mr.X, Jul 22, 2009
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    Looks really good. I can live with slower writes so low write speed compared to current SSDs doesnt affect me.
     
    TMC01, Jul 22, 2009
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  22. sgogeta4

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    But if it had matching sequential R/W, it would totally dominate the consumer SSD market...
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 22, 2009
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    Cape Consultant, Jul 23, 2009
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  24. Jlbrightbill

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    80 MB/s sequential writes are completely inconsequential to me, I'm going to be doing very few large sequential writes. The important thing to note here is that Intel added nearly 40% to 4K write speed and doubled 4K read speed. This means perceptually, it'll be noticeably faster than a G1 drive, which is already noticeably faster than an Indilinx or Samsung drive.
     
    Jlbrightbill, Jul 23, 2009
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    heh.. the new intel ssd sure smokes my kingston ssdnow v-series xD dam.. i should have waited.. but it would be too expensive anyways -_- my budget was around $140.. which the kingston was the best for the price xD
     
    runtohell121, Jul 23, 2009
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  26. undoIT

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    The Intel G2s look pretty good. Is this officially the longest thread in forum history?
     
    undoIT, Jul 23, 2009
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    undoIT, Jul 23, 2009
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    chsin7, Jul 23, 2009
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  29. davepermen

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    hah, anandtech supports me. the summit got completely owned by the intel. at random writes, that is :) at random reads, it isn't well, as well.

    and from my experience, those are all that matter.

    and i love to see the raptor not only owned, but very hard, at random reads :)

    can't wait for the full review :) hope they integrate a kingston -v, too.

    reading further :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  30. jcll03

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    im a little confused about trim support in w7. I know this is a basic question, but if I get the G2 and run W7 RC, is there a TRIM command I have to run? or will it just run automatically?

    Also, if I plan on reinstalling OSes on the SSD a few times, will that really hurt the lifespan of the drive?
     
    jcll03, Jul 23, 2009
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  31. IntelUser

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    BTW, 320GB drives by next year along with a faster controller.

    They said something in the line of:

    "The current drives are about lowering price and updating the line. Next update of 34nm will bring greater capacity and more performance."
     
    IntelUser, Jul 23, 2009
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    Price went up at buy.com. Ridiculous!
     
    bunta, Jul 23, 2009
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  33. Jlbrightbill

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    That wouldn't be the first time Buy.com has done that.
     
    Jlbrightbill, Jul 23, 2009
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  34. viol8r

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    It will run automatically - it is (or will be) built into Windows 7 (final). I think the manual TRIM comes in for Vista and XP users, since those do not have TRIM support built in. So, the drive will need to be TRIMmed manually.

    If it is MLC, then technically, yes... But I don't think you will have anything to worry about for years to come. You'll most likely upgrade before it dies on you.
     
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  35. davepermen

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    it will happen automatically. you don't happen to send sata commands all the time manually, do you? :) if you delete, or resize to smaller a file, then a trim will get sent for the now-unused space.

    the lifespan of the drive is of no concern for you. that's overhyped panic of the blogosphere, and all the ones that need justification for not having yet spend the money on an ssd. don't listen to them, your drive will be fine.
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  36. davepermen

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    Even while it's an addon application, I don't think one has to invoke it manually. I bet it installs as a driver, or service, and just catches all File.Delete and other similar commands, sending additional trims down the line, then.
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  37. darQ96

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    windows 7 went RTM, so, if you download 7600.16385, you actually have the final product that should support TRIM ;)
     
    darQ96, Jul 23, 2009
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  38. davepermen

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    if the firmware supports it, too. which is not true for intels. dunno about vertex?
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  39. IntelUser

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    Naw, it should be fine. You are just reinstalling the OS not doing clean sweep via wipe utility. Doing a wipe utility every time you format might impact the lifespan. Even that's only 1 cycle but, wipe utility means guaranteed cycle reduction across the WHOLE drive.
     
    IntelUser, Jul 23, 2009
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  40. Kallogan

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    I totally agree. These are chilly talks.

    i'll probably wait for the G2. Seems promising :eek: and so is the price
     
    Kallogan, Jul 23, 2009
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  41. darQ96

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    AFAIK
    indilinx based ssd-s and g2 intels are only ones TRIM capable at the time
     
    darQ96, Jul 23, 2009
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  42. Mr. Wonderful

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    Yeah boi! Drive shipped last night at about 10:00PM, and will be here today by 3:00PM!
     
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  43. darQ96

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    o boy...
    I feel urge to buy one of those g2 beasts...
     
    darQ96, Jul 23, 2009
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  44. davepermen

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    :) i do feel that urge, too. even while the 1.8" ones aren't out to buy yet AND I HAVE THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE INTEL ALLREADY

    :) terrible.. :)
     
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    I want 1 too....
     
    TMC01, Jul 23, 2009
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  46. Kamin_Majere

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    That's because you're addicted... but its ok admitting you have a problem is the first step of recovery :p
     
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  47. davepermen

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    i'm not addicted.

    no.

    no i am not.

    i don't plan to buy it btw. i would like to. that's something else.

    i plan to buy the 2.5" version for the media center and the studio pc, though. the intel really are that good, you don't want anything else at any point in time anymore :)


    edit: NOT ADDICTED!
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  48. darQ96

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    dave, how many ssd-s did you say you had ?

    :D
     
    darQ96, Jul 23, 2009
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    only one real one, and even that is only gen1...


    lets see..
    samsung 128gb, samsung new, 64gb
    mtron mobi 32gb
    mtron mobi 2x 64gb
    intel 160gb

    theoretically one for 128gb for the asus eee, but it doesn't work
    another very old 64gb samsung with terrible jmicron behaviour (and 20mb/s speed woah :)).



    why?


    :)


    just noticed i only have 2 hdd's in use right now.

    so.. maybe i am.. NO I AM NOT ADDICTED :)
     
    davepermen, Jul 23, 2009
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  50. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    I wish these new Intels would be sold at Best Buy, I have gift cards for there to spend.
     
    Jayayess1190, Jul 23, 2009
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