But vRPM is not for comparing one HDD to another, rather HDDs to SSDs and one SSD to another.
Yeah, as far as I can tell, 4k random R/W IOPS and Max (sequential) R/W are the most important specs and taken together give a nearly complete picture of drive performance. I'd love to hear some of the experts here comment on if I'm missing something though.
The beauty of the vRPM metric is that it is standardised. It specifies the size of the block to be tested, queue depth, a 50/50 factor of read:write performance, and even suggests IOMeter as the tool to use to gather this data. I can't see a way for a manufacturer to fudge this.
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The real question is what manufacturer will endorse this "standard" (or who has the power to).
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what browser do you use with ur SSD? My google Chrome heep crashing whenever I open any site.
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I've had no problems with Chrome on an Intel X25-M, G.Skill Titan or Corsair 128.
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Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?
See? You said it yourself. IOPS and sequential speeds are the four most significant figures, and thus the ones that the manufacturers should be providing. None of this vRPM stuff needed. Yes, they may not be willing to provide the figures, but like you said, they do give the best overall picture of drive performance. Even from a consumer standpoint, it isn't too complicated to interpret the figures: the bigger the number, the better. It's true for sequential speeds and IOPS.
I've been using FireFox on both my Samsung SLC and MLC with no pagefile, no other tweaks, and no problems as far as I can tell. It stutters a little bit on my compact flash setup, but I'd imagine that's just cuz the CF setup is slow, slow, slow. -
Yeah just standardize an IOPS test and post that. No need to confuse consumers with fancy made up names. Soon enough manufacturers will phase out HDD and produce more and more SSD. Was it Western Digital that i read is finally getting in the mix? So that would be Samsung and WD only other real HDD competitors are Seagate and Hitachi. Soon enough the will have to jump on the wagon as well if they want to stay competitive in the mass storage tech segment. This new made up vRPM is a useless stepping stone...
Jackboot, you talk about and defend this "vRPM" like you invented it... It's no biggy "most" people "here" don't find it usefull. sorry -
What have you hear about the G3 and where? I've been waiting for some news about it since it was announced. I think I've been thru all the pages on this thread but haven't seen much about the G3! -
Heres the "vRPM" for it... Which i'll be honest. pointless as inventing a new spec is. this does show about where it falls in performance, supposedly.Last edited by a moderator: May 8, 2015
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davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate
512GB Super Talent out now. (and 256GB SLC)
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Good ol' super talent! keeping SLC alive
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256Gb from Corsair, safe bet it's a rebrand of the new Samsungs:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/corsairs-ultra-speedy-256gb-ssd-sneaks-out-hits-the-bench/
Also, in case anyone missed it earlier, I stumbled upon this interview with an Intel SSD engineer from January
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYxMSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0 -
Speaking of Super Talent, anyone have a ME (MLC)/LE (SLC) drive? How do those fare against the competition?
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Supertalent is releasing a 512 GB MLC SSD and a 256 GB SLC drive: http://www.dailytech.com/Super+Tale...+RX+Series+Offers+SLC+Option/article14789.htm
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davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate
too late
(see my post)
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Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?
Bah, still looking for super-cheap 64GB SLC drives (let's add in a 2.5" form factor, while we're at it)... not moderately priced 256GB and 512GB SLC drives.
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Sorry about that davepermen.
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davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate
easy hehe
*reading the interview now*
oh, and commander wolf, lets hope that drives the smaller prices down, too?
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Yeah my sammy's already pretty lonely! Hope my tax return is big enough for another plus all the new kayak/fishing gear i "need"!
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I agree 100% that providing a standardised IOPS spec would work well and would allow comparison between SSDs. The reality is that not a single manufacturer has proposed a standardisation nor have they published even undstandardised specs. Should we really believe this will happen then? At least with vRPM there is one major manufacturer pushing it and even if the enthusiasts would prefer IOPS figures posted, vRPM as an industry standard is far better than what we have now (i.e., nothing). The additional problem is that so long as HDDs are standard equipment (which I'd imagine will be for another 2 years at least), there is no way of easily comparing SSD performance to HDD performance.
LOL...I'm not defending it - I've asked numerous times for criticisms of it as a measure of drive performance. I can't find any methodological problems with it and nobody else has suggested there are any either. -
It definitely is..
http://hothardware.com/News/Corsair-Readying-Ultra-Fast-256GB-SSD/
PCB looks exactly the same as 256GB Samsung..
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How do these new SSD stack up against the intel's x25-M/E?
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my guess is that it probably will not match intel's in terms of read/write but it attracts buyers who wanted something more than just 80 or 160gb SSD.
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Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?
Compared to the X25-M, the new Samsungs and their re-brands get similar sequential reads, faster sequential writes, and generally lower IOPS. The Indilinx-based MLC drives are a little bit slower all around in sequentials, but they get better IOPS than the Samsung. Haven't seen any benches for Indilinx-based SLC drives. Both should be fairly trustworthy drives, though; I haven't heard anything terrible about the Indilinx drives yet. -
Hi guys,
I've been following this thread for a while now but just finally created an account. I can verify that the Dell firmware upgrade for the Samsung 64g SLC drive works with the model bought from geeks.com. All that is required is a modification of the batch file to have it point to the old firmware number instead of the old Dell firmware number. I don't know if this 'upgrade' really makes a difference or not, but my computer has been running smoothly with it now for a couple of weeks, and seems a bit snappier than before. -
SLC is still too expensive to get it.
I asked my friend in China, his company has 128G SLC, the controller is the same as Intels, made by SKY. but the price is around $1000....... -
Which drives are we talking about here? The corsair or the Supertalent? Kind of lost by the statement.
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SLC Vertex is on its way:
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haha super talent and OCZ must have bought the same "SSD package" to sell
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He is comparing ocz vertex and super talent ultradrives (both indilinx) with the latest Samsung MLC controlers. not the corsair that has been around forever.
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Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?
Afaik, the Indilinx-based MLC drives on the market right now are the OCZ Vertex and the Super Talent UltraDrive ME. The only Indilinx-based SLC drive on the market right now is the Super Talent UltraDrive LE. Apparently, as mentioned in Laserbullet's post, an Indilinx-based SLC from OCZ is on the way. -
mullenbooger Former New York Giant
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I'm curious why a company like Indilinx doesn't just release all these drives themselves. Why do they leave it up to what are essentially "marketing companies" like OCZ, Super Talent, etc? As far as I can tell, these marketing companies don't bring anything new to the table. They just release what Indilinx has developed.
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I think my statement encompassed that but maybe that's because i wrote it and know what i meant...
My guess would be that indilinx is also a small company and may not want to or have the means to manufacture the entire drives themselves. Unlike the samsungs which all have the same brushed aluminum casing UltraDrives and Vertex have their own manufacturers casing. Just my guess anyway... -
Hey guys I just bought SUPER TALENT UltraDrive ME FTM32GX25H 2.5" 32GB SATA II MLC on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609392 wondering what are you thoughts I bought 2 for raid0. I bought these instead of the intel or the ocz. Let me know thanks! I had 2 74g raptors in raid0...how will the new ssd raid0 array stack up? I have looked far and wide for reviews and benches for the two setups and cannot find and dont really have enough experience looking at graphs anyway..if you could give me a % based answer that would be great thanks!
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anything you find about the ocz vertex will apply to the drives you purchased. They are the same rebranded indilinx controler based drives.
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I hadn't seen it mentioned in the last several pages...
Dell is selling the Samsung 256GB SSD's as accessories now for $699.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&category_id=7177&cs=19&~ck=anav
I verified with a rep that it is the Samsung.
Considering, the Corsair will be $750, it's a decent option.
I'm getting one with my new Studio SPX16 that is inbound.
Looking forward to it.
I guess my only concern is that as you fill them up then rewrites end up being forced to very small parts of the drive, so I guess I'll want to leave as much free space as possible to avoid wearing in to the 10,000 rewrites on a small section. -
How do people get by with 32GB?
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SSD's do virtually nothing for FPS, it's just loading times on games. With more and more gaming class notebooks coming with dual hard drives, running an OS SSD and 320 GB data drive is a very viable option, previously only available to desktop users.
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10000 write cycles is A LOT... whats the worry?
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You are half-right ;
In some games where the textures are loaded from storage during game play (like in Crysis) then there is a significant raise of the minimum frames. In other games the whole "level" is loaded before entering it so the speed of the storage is good only for loading the game and not during gameplay. This also depends on the ram of the graphics card that is available and the graphic card's and game's settings (filters etc).
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That link answered a few questions I've always had about SSD's and games. Thanks for posting, sin.
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Well yes of course it's loading times. But contrary to what might be popular opinion with 32GB SSD owners it's games and applications that are what make my hard drive light go ape sh!t and ause my wait times. In other words, I wouldn't get a SSD so I can shave a 45 seconds off my OS load time since I restart my computer once a week at most, that would be silly for me. It's precisely for the reason of having both the OS and applications/games on there where it would make a real tangible difference to me in daily minute by minute use. Know what I mean?
If I have a 32GB SSD and I have 31GB in use, there is 1GB that is now being completely throttled for all reads and writes being done on the drive. And in Windows there is 1000's per minute when everything may appear idle. So while yes you multiply 10000 x every bit being written to, it does put extra wear on a very small section of the drive. The less freespace you have the worse this issue becomes. If the controller marks the bits as bad once it cannot be written to anymore (just like HD's do) than that would be fine, you just lose space and no perf. Unfortunately we don't know if the controllers will mark areas as bad or if it will incur extra latency in trying to write to a bad area first. It's no real biggie but I just won't be filling the drive up. -
I fit my OS and all my applications on my 30GB SSD with room to spare. I'm contending that game loading times are not a tangible improvement for most people, so that size isn't a huge concern.
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here's a fun fact some may not be aware of...
I just found out something interesting regarding Dells aftermarket 256GB SSD's.
If you look here you'll notice something strange about the interface on the SSD under the tech specs tab:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Solid_State_Disk_SSD/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=341-8981&mfgpid=200803&chassisid=8615
It states SATA 150 interface.
The parts rep and his tech didn't think it was a misprint but said the aftermarket Samsung drive is limited to a SATA 150 interface.
I wonder if there is some firmware change that can be made or if they indeed are manufacturing them with a completely different interface to be backwards compatible on sata150 controllers. The fact it says SATA 150 leads me to believe it's hard wired but I guess it could be firmware to, and AFAIK getting firmware for these may not be as easy since it's all up to Samsung.
After he did some digging with his tech he came back on the phone and said the drive I was getting in my new lappy was going to be SATA300. He said indeed the ones being built into the systems are 300, the aftermarket are 150.
Maybe others can confirm this as well. But you definitely don't want to get one of these retail Sammy's that can burst almost up to 250MB/s in reads with writes nearly 200 only to be bottlenecked at a theoretical 150MB/s. -
My Dell/Samsung 256GB says SATA 300 on the label.
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Right now Raptor 150 is about full with games and apps on an XP OS.
While I use my other TB drives to load additional apps and use them for data storage. I also multiboot to several other OS's. I'm a power user, since I work in the industry and go through lots of space. 30GB wouldn't work for me, well maybe as a USB drive.
I only considered a 256GB SSD because it can finally handle the space reqt's I will have.
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Aftermarket? Same part number as the one I linked?
Maybe it was a misprint but he said they checked internal docs and it wasn't.
They knew it was crippling the drive, they said it was done for backwards compatibility for other systems.
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@MadBoris - yes, from Dell Govt. Sales/Accessories, same Dell part # J246M.
The F/W revision is VBM15D1Q, and it's a "Samsung SSD PM800 Series 2.5" 256GB". -
I have to take what you say with a grain of salt because Dell (tech support specifically) have been so obnoxiously wrong and misinformed/train to say things just to keep the conversation moving that I don't know what I can trust and what I can't. I'll wait for more word on it whether it's SATA-II standard or not.
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I'll vouch for this to be correct, when I was purchasing a Dell E6400 for my father, originally I tried to ask Dell a question about the SSD options, and the rep at first tried to tell me they used Dell brand SSDs. Even after I pointed it out to him, they were undeterred by the fact that there are pictures of Samsung SSDs on the product page. At first, anyway, I eventually got him to admit he had no idea what he was talking about after running around in circles for a little while.
The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Les, Jan 14, 2008.