Thermal Grizzly anyone?

Anyone tried out thermal grizzly yet?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/brand--thermal-grizzly/

 

Nice find. Thanks for sharing. Looks like their non-conductive Kryonaut paste is not nearly as good as the liquid metal options, but still far better than anything else. Looks like it would be a superior option for GPUs or those that are simply too fearful of using liquid metal pastes.

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The liquid metal pastes have three to four times greater thermal conductivity (cooling capacity) compared to the best of the best non-metal pastes.

 

I think I am going to get some of this. Right now I am using MX-4 which is about in the middle of a very large pack. It's interesting how close a bunch of these pastes are in performance

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It looks to be the closest to liquid metal/ultra as you can get without the hazard. I'm gonna try some myself.

 

Eep... about $30 on Amazon.

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It is certainly an ok paste but what about life span? It does not matter how good this paste is if it does not hold long under high heat (pump-out / dry-out). I'm thinking in particular used in laptops. Someone who has tested it?

@Mr Fox @Matrix Leader @TBoneSan @thegh0sts http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...y-liquid-ultra-on-g73jh.780719/#post-10079019

 

I'm not sure about actual usage scenarios, but the Thermal Grizzly website claims it's got high long-time stability and won't degrade and dry out anytime soon. Take it for what it's worth, could be just PR talk and they don't provide any numbers.
I guess it also hasn't been on the market long enough for anybody to truly have a first hand longevity report on multiple applications.

It certainly sounds like a good paste, though. When I run out of Gelid Extreme, I might just give it a shot.

 

The viscosity of the Grizzly is much softer than Gelid extreme (also ICD). 5 vs 9. This is not exactly calming when I think about the life span on a hot Hotwell...

 

Recommended temperature -200 to +350 C. Holy smokes...

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This is a much more reasonable price for those that want to try this. The Amazon link is for an 11.1g tube.

This one is $13.95 and I think it's a bit larger tube than the Amazon link below.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/thermal-grizzly-kryonaut-hgh-performance-thermal-grease-1-5ml.html

Amazon also has a 1.0g tube for $11.41 with free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Kryonaut-Grease-Paste/dp/B011F7W3LU

 

I just repasted my GPU using Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut a couple of days ago. I was using Arctic Silver 5 before and I can confirm that it's 2 degC colder than the best case Arctic Silver 5. Over the last 2 years I've repasted with Arctic Silver 5 on my GPU about 3 seperate times, and each time I've been measuring with a 25 min run on Heaven Benchmark while recording room temperature. At 21 degC room temperature the best of the previous 3 mountings resulted in 65degC, now under the same conditions Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut managed 63degC. This info also tallies with the 2 degC difference seen by the tester in that article between Arctic Silver 5 and Grizzly Kryonaut. I'd recommend Kryonaut, was easy to apply, used spread method using the syringe applicator (Arctic Silver 5 was applied previously with spread method too).

 

I recently ordered some Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut paste for testing, and I'm not overly thrilled with the result. It does OK, and I think better than most thermal pastes. It is definitely better than Arctic Silver or Noctua NT-H1, but it's not as effective as IC Diamond. I like that it is easy to deal with, but I went back to IC Diamond on my GPUs because it seems to do a better job (about 3°C cooler under sustained GPU load) than the Hydronaut paste.

To test it I ran a continuous loop of Fire Strike test #1 on the GTX 980 (200W) in the Sky X9 for roughly 30 minutes. Running the GPU at stock clocks, IC Diamond levels off around 69-70°C using automatic fan controls, whereas the Kryonaut bounces between 72-73°C in the same scenario.


I just ordered a tube of Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut to see if it performs comparably with Liquid Ultra and Phobya Liquid Metal. I find both of them produce more or less identical results for me, and far superior cooling compared to ordinary (non-liquid metal) TIM. The Phobya Liquid Metal is about half the cost of Liquid Ultra and Conductonaut is priced about the same as Phobya. For about $1 USD more it includes two applicators and two alcohol cleaning pads. If it works comparably, that will be a bargain.

Application technique for the Conductonaut is the same as CLU and PLM. See attached PDF. @Papusan might be interesting in seeing how this turns out. I have no problem running the delidded 6700K in the Sky X9 @ 4.7GHz 24/7 with CLU or PLM. I'm hoping I can do exactly the same with Conductonaut.

 

Is it a bit too risky to run liquid metal pastes on GPUs then, I noticed you say you use IC Diamond on your GPU, and I guess the liquid metal you reserve for CPU?

I thought about buying Hyrdronaut, but glad I went with the Kryonaut then considering your results. I'll be interested to see how stable the Kryonaut is over the coming months, Arctic Silver 5 on my GPUs seemed to need a repaste at the start of the Summer (about twice a year). Arctic Silver on my CPU has been stable for over a year now - I managed to do a fantastic mounting whereby all cores are the same temperature, previously it would always need a repaste as certain cores on one side always starting creeping up - I'm not gonna touch the CPU, too pleased with the temperatures!

 

The main reason I have used IC Diamond instead of Liquid Ultra on the GPUs is that it was "good enough" and CLU is too expensive to use where it is not needed. I have run it on GPUs with no issues whatsoever on the Alienware 18, M18xR2, Panther and Sky X9. I end up needing to take them apart for testing, an experiment or what not, and at $13 a pop for a tiny amount of CLU, the cost can quickly become absurd. But, it's absolutely worth it on the heavily overclocked CPU. The results are far and away superior and allows me to run a much higher CPU overclock.

The less you need it, the less thermal improvement it offers. It is definitely better, but if the GPUs are not getting hot, it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Say, for example, I am hitting 70-71°C using a normal paste and CLU my GPU max is 68-69°C, that's not worth the extra money. If it changes the temps from 95-100°C down to 80-85°C on a heavily overclocked CPU, then you can bet your bottom dollar I'm going to use it exclusively and it's worth $13 to be able to do that.

The way I apply it, there is no significant risk and no cause for concern. Although, accidents can happen, I'm not worried about it any more than the risk of getting hit by a car when crossing the street. It could happen, but I'm still going to cross the street... using caution, of course.

 

Why tested you Hydronaut and not KRYONAUT? Quite interesting to see KRYONAUT vs ICD on OC'd gpu. But these paste alternative is not something I want on a processor. The result was well as you expected. Disappointing
Still there are only three options if you don't want/dare to use Clu on the processor. ICD, Grizzly Kryonaut and Gelid Extreme. Gelid Extreme suits those who are not so tech-savvy... The question still remains; Use the new celebrity Grizzly Kryonaut or the good old ICD on the graphics card... I want to know who of those 2 is best to use on Gpu.

I am very interested in the outcome of Grizzly Conductonaut @Mr. Fox I have the money ready for a Sky X9.... So this suited me very well now that you test this new Liquid brand .
Density at Liquid Ultra 6.85 g/cm3 vs 6,24g/cm3 Grizzly Conductonut. Phobya Liquid Metal 6,44 g/cm³.
If people are skeptical to use Liquid Ultra on any hardware: Do as Silicone lottery when they Delid processors they sell/processors that you already have... They use <Liquid electric tape>.

 

I purchased Hydronaut for testing as it is much less expensive. I got a 3ml tube of it really cheap (same price as only 1ml of Kryonaut). As frequently as I take things apart and move parts around I wanted something that would work OK, be quick and easy to clean up, and not be too expensive. I wanted to see if it does well enough on GPUs. The Kryonaut paste is so expensive that there is no incentive for me to use it. Kryonaut is about the same price as Liquid Ultra for the same quantity. In that scenario I might as well use Phobya Liquid Metal for half the cost and have far better results than Kryonaut.

 

I could not resist the temptation to try Conductonaut and found it to be a more affordable alternative to Liquid Ultra, much like Phobya Liquid Metal. There is just no escaping the superiority of liquid metal thermal paste.

At $8.99 USD for the same quantity Thermal Grizzy Conductonaut is priced right. Here is where I purchased it [ LINK]. I will do some similar stress testing of the CPU, perhaps later this week. I have Liquid Ultra on it now. It's a week or so old. It does not need to be changed, but we have already proven its superiority to other pastes. So, we will see how it does with Conductonaut in comparison.

Notice the GTX 980 (200W) GPU pulled almost 290W with @Prema high performance vBIOS. It's worth noting that the hotter a CPU or GPU gets under load, the more power it requires. You can actually see that in this test. It drew less power using Conductonaut because it was substantially cooler during this extreme 60 second load test.

Here is a direct link to the album if the images are not being displayed correctly in the preview.

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Test | Imgur - Mr. Fox

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Some good testing Mr Fox, and a clear winner for the Conductonaut! I noticed on your GPU pic - did you put some kind of a sealant around the edges of the GPU core so that any metal paste that gets squished out won't come into contact with any pins, etc?

 

No, that's the normal black plastic shroud that Clevo uses on their GPUs. The white stuff between the core and the black plastic is Hydronaut that I did not bother digging out of the crevice. I figure it can't hurt anything being there, and it might actually be useful to keep that seam sealed up. I just ran a cotton swab around the edges of the plastic shroud a few times and left whatever residue was stuck in the cracks.

 

Ah, yeah, I was referring to that lighter coloured putty stuff, which now you've said is the left over Hydronaut - as you say that might actually help prevent the metal paste from going down into that crack anyway I guess, could be a bonus.

 

The liquid metal paste doesn't move around once everything is assembled. I've never had it squirt out or run off some place other than where I put it. Of course, I'm careful and never, ever, just slopping it on in excess or being haphazard about things. That could be a problem if somewhere were careless or took a " more is better" approach out of ignorance. Even if it does get on something it should not be on during application, there should be no reason to fear as long as one sees the problem and cleans up the mess before putting battery or AC power to the motherboard.

 

Here's this for anyone still having doubts as to whether or not using a liquid metal thermal compound produces better results compared to ordinary thermal paste. I just tested Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on the CPU as well. Results are more or less identical to Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra and Phobya Liquid Metal.

Bear in mind that the 6700K has been delidded and has Liquid Ultra between the core and IHS. (A 6700K that has not been delidded with liquid metal paste on the die will not achieve results as good as demonstrated here.)

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GPU Core Burner Test - GTX 980 (200W MXM) + @Prema OC vBIOS

IC Diamond - 60 second GPU core burner test reached 79°C

Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut - 60 second GPU core burner test reached 80°C

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut - 60 second GPU core burner test reached 73°C

CPU Core Burner Test - Core i7-6700K @ 4.7GHz

Liquid Ultra - before applying IC Diamond, a 2 minute CPU burn test was run as a baseline for comparison with a result of 84°C

IC Diamond - 2 minute CPU burn test reached 89°C

IC Diamond - 4 minute CPU burn test reached 90°C

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut - 2 minute CPU burn test reached 83°C

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut - 4 minute CPU burn test reached 86°C

As you can see in the video, a little bit goes a long way with liquid metal thermal paste.



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Thought I'd update this, 1.5 months on from my initial testing the Grizzly Kryonaut is still holding the exact same temperatures at the same room temperatures - tested with 25min run on Heaven Benchmark. So, there's been no deterioration over the last 1.5 months at all. Still performing about 2 degC cooler than my Arctic Silver 5 paste.

 

I tried kryonaut and so far so good. Just that I can't find it anywhere anymore and only gif a small tube for a couple applications.

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My concern with liquid metal pastes for laptop is that you run a higher risk of accidentally not applying enough or applying too much (and then spill over onto the mobo).

Also, my previous laptop had a horrible pressure distribution on the GPU and CPU because of the heatpipes' design flaw. That meant that even the IC Diamond was getting shoved over to the side with each thermal expansion/contraction cycle, until a third of the CPU die surface area has fully baked thermal paste on it (aka it crumbled very easily), and the other two-thirds had globs of thermal paste.

I'd imagine the liquid metal pastes would be pushed to the side very easily.

 

Just use Gelid GC Extreme people..

 

The difference between ICD, Gelid, Noctua, Kryonaut, etc etc *high end thermal paste* would have extremely diminishing returns. 2-3c at best, and random error can account to temp difference too. Get whatever is cheapest.

LM paste is the way to go if you're balls to the wall like Mr.Fox, but I personally dislike the idea of a conductive fluid put directly on a very delicate component.

 

On the other hand, I like the fact that I can apply CLU (LM) and just leave it. I've literally seen no movement in any of the systems that I applied it to - I'm almost inclined to say that it isn't possible for it to move, so long as it is applied correctly. It stayed put on my wife's system, which died in February, when it fell about 10 meters (Balanced on a window sill and was knocked out by a cat, straight onto concrete... I certainly believe that it fell that distance, since it broke the paving slab that it hit). There weren't many components that weren't damaged but the liquid metal TIM was exactly where I left it. In terms of dealing with physical shock and general rough-usage, I'm inclined to dismiss fears regarding LM.

Regarding cost-to-performance ratio, there's certainly a fair point. On the other hand, it's not hugely expensive and if you're going to use anything but the cheapest TIM, you might as well spend a bit more IMHO.

 

I like that kryonaut. Easy to apply, and has offered a decent improvement in temps in the couple systems I applied it to, compared with IC Diamond. I've found GC Extreme to run 2-3C warmer than IC Diamdond and this kryonaut is about 2-3C cooler than IC Diamond I had applied, so I wouldn't say it's negligible. I'll take 4-5C cooler temps any day.

On the other hand I don't know how long kryonaut lasts. I've put IC Diamond on a lot of systems and over time barely a change in temps. It's pretty much a "set and forget" kind of paste. I actually have not had great success with LM. I can't seem to get the huge temp drops that users claim. A bit better than the higher end pastes, but not by much, and not worth the cost/risk to me personally.

 

I've had kryonaut for about 3 months on an X99 desktop + titan x hybrid cooler (averange 4-5 hours of folding everyday + gaming)

I haven't seen any performance drops.

 

That's an amazing story. Sorry to hear about the laptop.

I've never seen Liquid Ultra drip or move anywhere. Conductonaut and Phobya Liquid Metal also work extremely well and are less expensive (about half the price in some cases), but they are kind of watery compared to Liquid Ultra and they not clump together as well. I doubt using Liquid Ultra in excess would be a problem based on the consistency of the compound, but I would have concerns about the other two because of their viscosity, or lack thereof. All things considered, nothing else available works better or is more durable, and I think Liquid Ultra is worth the extra money. In the context of it superior performance and durability, making an issue over a few bucks is borderline ridiculous and short-sighted.

Thanks again for sharing the story. Smack the kitty around for me. Naught kitty.

 

I don't consider using anything but liquid metal TIM on every surface possible. It lasts forever and gives the best performance. Words couldn't express my disappointment when I found out my PS3's heatsink was made of aluminum.

Just throwing this out there. I also experimented with the Coolaboratory Liquid MetalPad, and it gives me within 1-2 degrees of CLU. The only reason I don't use it is because if you break the bond when you remove the heatsink. If I were installing on a customer computer (or family), Liquid MetalPad is pretty much equally as good, without the messiness. Just cut to die size, put on there, screw down, let it heat up to 50 degC to melt, and boom, you have a metal-metal bond. Really genius product. Of course when installed you have to wear gloves (latex or nitrile) to prevent your skin oils from coming into contact because it can contaminate the metal and make a poor bond

 

I even use it between my saucepans and the ceramic hob, I've noticed a decrease in pan boiling time of 30%, and save nearly 5% off my annual electricity bill - provides me with an excuse not to clean it too, that Ultra is just too darn expensive to behave differently!

 

Ah I've mentioned the laptop in question on here before. It was barely holding onto life and physically held together with Epoxy and prayers, so it was only a matter of time. Given how sick I was of repairing the bits that kept falling off, I'd have been tempted to knock it out of the window myself. Bought a used, barebones Thinkpad 450s and stuck an SSD and some spare RAM in - my wife is certainly happy with the improved... Well, just about everything, really. Used the rest of the CLU that I had while repasting it, so will have to buy some more.

Thank you for your feedback regarding the other liquid metal TIM - I was curious as to how they stacked up. I may still try Conductonaut, for the 'lulz' and to see how it compares to CLU so I have at least tried it; or, I might just save time and cash and go straight for more CLU.

I could try but she's getting a pretty respectable bench press after a few months of gym and would give me a fight and a half if I even tried.