Turion 64 x2 price?

When do you think a notebook with turion 64 x2 processor will be available and for how much?

 

hopefully soon and cheap! )

quote(theinquirer.net):

"AMD IS GOING to launch Turion X2s in early May, and there will be four SKUs (stock keeping units).

It will introduce 1.6GHz/512Kx2, 1.8GHz/512Kx2, 2.0GHz/512Kx2 and last but not least a 1.6GHz/256Kx2 microprocessor.

All have an extremely low supply voltage of 1.075V, so power use should be pretty miserly.

There are two problems I see with these chips. First, they may have the same problem as the X2s, the cores are not independently powered or clocked. If this is the case battery life will suffer with compared to Yonah.

The other problem is availability. Yonah will have been ramping for two quarters by the time X2s hit, so initial availability may be pretty tight. µ "

 

When the Turions come out they will be followed closely by Conrow and the new Meroms. And according to the benchmarks out there it seems that the turion X2 doesn't offer any increased preformance in single threded applications. Unlike the Yonah's who offered a 20-30% increase in preformace in single threaded applications.

 

though turion x2 will definitely be cheaper than it's intel counter part. i can guarantee you that.

a lot cheaper in fact...

 

Lies. Intel is shooting for August for Merom but based on Yonah's paper launch release date of early January, it was almost 2 months later until you could actually find Yonah in stores. So realistically, you won't be able to get one until November or later.

Lies again. True benchmarks are not out yet for this family of processors.
Here's some benchmarks of the single core Turions. There is also a performance per dollar analysis which shows that the Turions are unbeatable in performance per dollar spent.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article300-page2.html
http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentiumm-vs-turion64/index.x?pg=13

More Lies. Link please to back up your claims. 20-30% faster than a melting P4 is still slower than a Turion.
Turions Beat Pentium M's by about 8-10%.
http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentiumm-vs-turion64/index.x?pg=13
Duo's beat Pentium M's by about the same amount in single threaded applications. Since it has a second core, in multithreaded benchmarks Duo's can add another 10% to it, but most everyapplication today doesn't utilize a second core.

Further, per dollar spent, single core Turions have the best performance per dollar due to the high cost of the core and Pentium M processors. All those Intel advertising dollars are priced into the their CPU's so the consumer pays more. Dual core Turions will also have a performance per dollar advantage and overall performance advantage. Lastly, when you use 64bit benchmarks or a 64bit OS, all the Turions get another 15-20% raw cpu performance boost over the 32bit only core duos and Pentium M's. Merom (not out till end of the year) is supposed to be 64bits but it will use EM64T which is 64bit emulation and slower than true 64bit processing.

Another very strong reason to wait for a Turion X2 is that this platform is based on the AM2 socket which will allow you to buy a Quad core Turion in 2007 and then simply drop it into the slot and upgrade your 64bit laptop to a Quad core 64bit laptop.

You can't do that with anything but the new AM2 socket laptops.

 

AM2 is the new AMD *desktop* socket for DDR2 support; besides a new memory controller, little has changed over the present CPU designs. However, AMD did hint of newer designs to be announced on June 1.

The Turion X2 will use the Socket S1. AM2 socket laptops would still be possible for the "luggables".

As for quad-core on AM2 or S1, that would be reading tea leaves. The only quad-cores even whispered at this time are server based Opterons - which would be on the upcoming Socket F. The much anticipated public demo of quad-core is rumored to happen in early June.

 

Funny.. I'm sure there are laptops with build dates of december with the Yonah. Ohh yea there is.
German yes i know. Funny. Turions x2 are arround the corner and no reliable benchmarks.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentiumm-vs-turion64/index.x?pg=1
So comparing a 2.4GHz turion against a 2GHz Intel M is fair? Clock for Clock P-M 2GHz is on par and wins some benchmarks and looses some benchmarks
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/detail.php?id=17

You need 64Bit processor right now to do what... Run windows XP pro 64bit or a flavor of linux. Granted releasing any mobile 64bit processors before vista is stupid. A few months before i can understand to tweak bugs..
Ohh i would love to see when quad core Turions are comming out, as they havn't even announced desktop counterparts.
And proof for the EM64T for Merom. Linkies please.

T2500 (2GHz) PCmark 05 CPU score of 4346
P M 760 (2GHz) PCmark 05 CPU score of 3,258
seems like 25% increase

 

well about 1vcore on a cpu is gonna be a hit...speed isnt the best thing nowadays for general users...seriously...I bet amd knows what they really doing hehe

 

CoolHotCold: "Granted releasing any mobile 64bit processors before vista is stupid. "



Unless you are going to throw away the laptop that you buy today (before Vista), then considering it's performance improvements when running Vista 64 is a necessary and worthwhile comparison. For most users, the computer they choose to buy today will be the computer they will be using for the next 3 years or longer. Based on SiSandra benchmark software, you can expect to gain an additional 15-20% in raw cpu performance by running Windows XP 64bit edition. It would be reasonable to expect a similar and potentially greater benefit to performance when comparing Vista 64 on a 64bitcpu (ex. Turion, Athlon, Opteron, Sempron, Merom, Conroe...) vs. Vista 32 on a identically clocked 32bit cpu (ex. Core Duo, Pentium M, Pentium 4).

Further, those that run out and buy core duo laptops today and want to run Vista when it is released will only be able to run the 32bit version which uses "emulation" to run the 32bit programs. It will probably be significantly slower than just staying on XP for those 32bit laptop purchasers.

So a very important benchmark comparison to run today would be to benchmark a Turion running XP64 edition vs. a Turion X2 running XP64 Edition vs. a Core Duo running XP, vs a Core Solo running XP vs a Pentium M running XP.

 

For those who want to run out and buy Vista oviously want the latest of everything so they will either buy a new notebook or buy Merom due to the pin to pin compatibility.

I would love to see turion vs turion etc benchmarks. No doubt 64bit will make a diffrence.

XP64 was just recompiled to run in 64bit mode. Not a good enhancement over 32 bit. Too many bugs atm anyway.

But to the original question.. No idea and i would suggest waiting till you "needed" 64bit

 

I think we all have to admit that Turion beats Dothan, Core Duo is beating Turion, Turion X2 (Taylor) should beat Core Duo (yes I know this is somewhat debated), Merom will beat Turion X2 (Taylor), hopefully Turion X2 (Tyler, 65nm) will beat Merom.

Its a good race and we're all benifitting from the competetion. Who's ahead at the moment is totally dependant on when you are measuring. Basing this company chips against my companies new chip that will be out.... doesn't hold much water either way.

 

I would say this is the only reason to be waiting for this chip, if you was "smart" enough to buy a laptop with Athlon.

I expected something more impressive from dual core Turion, but AMD is keeping in line with its reputation of being one or more steps behind Intel.

Competition means to produce cheaper and better, not
worse but cheaper.

 

Is it a psalm from the AMD religion book?

Similarly, Mac fans have been convincing each other for years that G4 and G5 processors are better than their Intel competitors unless Steve has admitted that the new Intel based macbook is ... 4 times (!) faster than the previous G4 powerbook ... Let me recall you that Intel's marketting says that new Yonahs are up to 60% faster than previus PMs. So, the conclusion is ...

 

No psalm intended. Don't get me wrong I like parts of both companies. Neither comapany wins 100% of the time. I have an Intel laptop and an AMD desktop, as that's who was ahead at the time I bought them. I have no loyalties to either company. We should all hope this pattern of one-upping the other guy continues. Competition is great.

Dothan ruled the market and all other chips when it was released.

But, I think you have to admit that Turion was/is a better chip than Dothan when it came out.
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/detail.php?id=17&page=16
http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentiumm-vs-turion64/index.x?pg=13

Now that Yonah and dual core Intels are out, they take the cake. In fact they beat every Intel desktop chip and all but the very top end AMD desktop chips. So yes, Intel is clearly the winner right now.

If AMD can step ahead again with the X2 is yet to be seen. Intel will still have the 65nm advantage until next year. But X2 vs. Core Duo should be a close race (good for all consumers).

Late this year Merom will come out and that will likely eliminate any advantage X2 had over current gen Core Duo's.

AMD should catch up with Tyler (65nm, dual core, 64bit), but not until next year. The Tyler vs. Merom debate will probably be close (good for everyone again).

Yes, Intel is ahead in the mobile market right now. That hasn't always been the case, and it may change again. Although until publicly released system benchmarks are out, this is all speculation and I freely admit it. Looking at pre-release Merom benchmarks doens't prove anything, but it is nice to see that we're getting ready for a nice jump forward.

I've never been an apple fan at all, but I think we're actually loosing out by eliminating them from the competition. Oh well, good riddance.

So where's the psalm?

 

OK, no psalm.

However, I do doubt if the comparison of Turion and PM processors in the above mentioned two reviews (which are always mentioned by Turion fans) is impartial. The reason is that their conclusions regarding the advantages of Turions contradict to what I know from other reviews comparing two 12" MSI notebooks, one of them is PM or Celeron M based and another one is Turion or Sempron based. I think the best you can expect from Turion is a small advantage at the full load and slightly better arithmetic performance than PM at the same clock (if your processed data is not above the size of L2 cashe of Turion, which is 2+ times smaller than PM's). At the lowest clock Turion works on a higher voltage than PM, hence consumes more power in the regime which most of us are using most of the time. Moreover, AMD so far hasn't managed to produce LV and ULV processors for ultraportable notebooks.

 

i actually admit that i'm a fan of AMD indeed and will stand against intel as long as AMD stands against intel as they were until now...

you've mentioned "psalm" even maybe it is also true, why? this is why;

remember the days that intel was alone in the market and how they suck every drop of blood in our veins by releasing new cpu's just by changing the name tag on it (almost) then thanks to AMD fans like us, AMD had the power to stand against intel so the prices are lowering every day and improvements are great, again thanks to loyal AMD fans...

and i will continue to support AMD whatever they do so intel wont have the chance to suck our blood again...

am i going very cruel on intel? well they deserved this by their former behaviours

and please dont get it personal, i just cant help it... dont like intel, will never like...

 

BTW this is 10 may, and still any news about turion x2's? (it supposed to release on 9th) price, laptops with new x2?

 

didn't you hear? they pushed back the release to june.

 

Competition is good for the market, no competition is bad.

Sorry if I ran a company that produced something that everyone wanted, and I had no competition, I would figure I can pretty much charge what I want for it, and don't really need to worry about upgrades so much because well, I'm the only one making it.

Now we have some competition that's good, I've never owned an AMD but it generally seems that AMD is one or two steps behind Intel, hopefully someday this will change (and it may be very soon from some of the stuff I've read) but right now, this is the case.

 

Yes, good points. I concider Turion better than Dothan, but it is close and Dothan does have some advantages. Honastly until you concider price the benchmarks are pretty even.

I don't think AMD is even trying to enter the ULV market. And no, 25w TDP MT-XX doesn't count.