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    Upgrade of my Inspiron 1525's CPU (please help!)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by sebas0333, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    I thought some GM965 support 8 GB RAM...
     
  2. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yes I have also seen a few threads where people say they have tried 8-6gb and it worked.
     
  3. linuxwanabe

    linuxwanabe Notebook Evangelist

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    All the specs indicate 4GB max. Will it address 8GB of RAM with a 64-bit operating system? Maybe, but why would anyone want to invest in 8GB of pricey and obsolete DDR2 RAM? You can't reuse it in a more modern notebook, so it's a waste of money.
     
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    Specs written when only 2GB DDR2 SODIMM was available. GM965/PM965 can address 8GB. Is it a waste of time? DDR2 is still widely available and will become pricier as stock levels deplete. An inexpensive CPU+RAM+HDD RAM upgrade would give the system fresh legs to run another marathon.
     
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    linuxwanabe Notebook Evangelist

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    What taxes? Why can't you just ship directly to Argentina? Just buy from an American reseller and ship to your address in Argentina. As far as shipping rates, I complain all the time, but I doubt that shipping would be as expensive as paying Dell Argentina prices. Heck, if it's a concern, fly to New York and buy a few notebooks there and resell them at Argentine prices to pay for the trip and make a tidy profit. If PCs are really that expensive in Argentina, you might make a fortune as a reseller.

    Sure, they're all DDR2 running at 667 or 800Mhz -although newer DDR3 RAM is much more cost effective. That's why upgrading isn't a cost effective strategy. Once you're trapped into an obsolete architecture, you're stuck.
     
  6. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Dude you have to clear customs when you ship to another country. And people try to be smart and bypass the system by not buying directly through
    Dell of Argentina and they know that so there is probably a hefty import tax or VAT. It's just like trying to buy a car in Delaware (no sales tax) and driving it to your home state and trying to register it. Most DMV's will make you pay tax when you try to register your car.
     
  7. sebas0333

    sebas0333 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I plan to do that bussines (go to NY, buy some notebooks/tablets/etc, and resell all in Argentina) but I'm not so sure about the customs or the taxes. If I buy a notebook on eBay I will have to pay the taxes + the shipping rate! And, what about if my notebook breaks up or comes with a damaged part... warranty? Yes, sure :rolleyes:

    And about the RAM, I know DD3 is much more powerfull and efficient, but for now on, I want to upgrade my system, no matter how obsolete it is, and all I want to know is the technical especifications of a CPU and a RAM module that work perfectly fine in my motherboard. Thanks for all your answer, I will take note of all the advices, and I'll probably get some new components between december and january!
     
  8. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    Just because it can't be used in a 'modern' notebook, doesn't mean it's a waste of money.

    Work is done by the CPU in RAM (only) - the more RAM he has the more work he can get done in the same amount of time.

    You do not 'invest' in RAM for a notebook - you spend the money to gain yourself real and measurable results in productivity.

    If he can buy the new system in a few months (less than 3 or 4), I would only 'upgrade' to 4GB RAM total. If he can only buy a new system in half a year or at the end of 2011, I would seriously consider 8GB RAM - he will easily make his money back on the time saved from doing his PS and video editing projects. And, he'll be able to sell the 'pricey' and 'obsolete' RAM too at that point in time (it will probably be worth even more).
     
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    mrg666 Notebook Evangelist

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    I just upgraded the CPU of my Vostro 1500 from a T5470 to T9300 (used from Ebay for $100). The performance of the laptop is noticeably improved. Even when browsing, Firefox is much more responsive. I would recommend T9300 and also to upgrade the RAM to 4GB. If you still have the original harddisk, upgrading the original 120Gb Seagate to 640GB WD also made a noticeable difference on my laptop which slightly older than yours. The average transfer rate of the Seagate was 35MB/sec and WD is 66MB/sec according to HDtune. I can clearly feel the difference. CPU+RAM+HD upgrade cost was less than $250, and I am very happy with the result.
     
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    A car requires a title, a registration, and in many states, some sort of emissions testing or safety inspection. Electronics don't require any of those things. Honestly, I don't know anything about the situation in Argentina. I'm sure the taxes are ridiculous, distribution channels are inefficient and there are all sort of roadblocks to doing business, which is probably why prices are so high.
     
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    A T9300 for US$100 is pretty good buying. Consider too your Vostro 1500 can do a dual-IDA overclock too to get the T9300-2.5 to 2.7Ghz. See confirmed working example at http://forum.notebookreview.com/win...ida-both-cores-core-2-duo-12.html#post6512896 .
     
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    The processor is around 35C when idle but IntelBurntest pushes it to 89C. I need to reapply a thinner TIM before trying to overclock. Thanks for the link. Do you also have any suggestion if I can not make it cooler by reapplying the TIM?
     
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    Use Throttlestop to undervolt the highest multiplier. That will drop temps down. Likely you can run a dualIDA overclocked + undervolted T9300. Applying better TIM will mean better heat dissipation.
     
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    You have said :notworthy: words!!

    So you say that I really can install up to 8 GB?? I don't believe ha-ha!
     
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    Yeah but I've been looking around 8 GB isn't really worth the investment, it's like 180 for 8 GB DDR2 vs 110 for 8 GB DDR3, though not as horribly as expensive when 4 GB modules came out (300-400 ea).
     
  16. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    It doesn't matter. The point of customs duties (which is essentially what we're talking about here) is usually an economic protection measure; it's intended to try to keep people purchasing products "in-country" as opposed to going somewhere else to buy goods. As a result, customs duties are levied on an extremely large list of goods, and will vary by country. The US doesn't levy many of them, but countries like the EU, New Zealand, Canada, and many others levy quite a few.
     
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    That's the reason why you MUST buy a laptop from Dell Argentina, and you can't buy it outside the country. Think about dell bussines if I go to NY and buy my Dell XPS for u$s 1.500! Here, in Argentina, you really can buy a computer outside the borders, but you'll have to pay taxes. As Judicator said, "Is usually an economic protection measure".

    The situation in Argentina is fine, at least for me and for 70% of the people who lives in. And one of the reasons is that if you want to spend some money, you have to spend it here.
     
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    Argentina doesn't have a tech sector to protect. If prices are high, it's because of inefficient distribution and the typically shortsighted economic policies of a South American country.

    You've got to be kidding. If any country that doesn't produce computers, or computer components is charging duties and tariffs on computers and computer component, it's all about revenue, since there's nothing to protect.

    Argentina exports a lot of soy beans, but not high tech.
     
  19. Judicator

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    I'm not going to continue this too much further, as it's moving rather far afield, but I did feel I had to clear up what seems to be some basic misconceptions.

    Argentina does have a tech sector, although it's primarily in pharmaceuticals as opposed to electronics. In point of fact, from World Bank Data, high tech made up a bit over 6% of all Argentinian exports in 2007. This admittedly doesn't compare to the 28% of the US in that same year, but note that these are _exports_. They don't track produced goods that are not exported, i.e. kept for internal sale within the country. It's _that_ market that they're trying to protect, not their exports.

    This is basic government level economics. You want to raise the prices of goods produced elsewhere, so the goods you produce in your own country compare better. As a government, would you rather be importing goods from another country, or would you rather have the company that you would have been importing from build a factory in your country and distribute goods from there, providing jobs and an economic boost to your own country? Again, this has nothing to do with your own exports, it's your domestic economy that these duties are designed to protect.

    Oh, and as an aside, any American who's traveled outside the country (well, probably beyond NAFTAA at this point) and returned should be familiar with the Customs Declaration Form. This form states that anything you bring back from out of the country over $800 will get taxed (line 15). From here, (I am not absolutely certain this is the correct data sheet, it may just be for licensed importers, but it's all I can find offhand) it appears that computers do not have a general duty (line 8471), but you'll note that there are many other goods in that list that do.

    Britain and the EU, because they collect VAT, operate differently. The way VAT works is that VAT is collected from _everyone_ that the goods pass hands through. Your VAT is reduced by the amount of VAT paid by any of the previous people that the goods pass through. As a result, if you buy goods from anywhere else, and then bring them into the country, you end up paying the full VAT... because there was no previous VAT collected on the goods to reduce the VAT you end up paying. The Wikipedia article is fairly instructive in this regard. Note that Argentina collects VAT (under a different name). Oh, and tying back into my second paragraph, the People's Republic of China also charges VAT... which partly explains why a lot of companies that wish to open up markets in China are moving entire factories there, as opposed to just shipping items over (in addition to all the usual perks of cheaper labor, fewer taxes, that sort of thing).

    And given the current parlous state of the US economy, slinging insults about shortsighted economic policies may be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    You are wrong again. In Argentina are 3 notebook manufacturers: Bangho, EXO and Commodore. When you purchase one notebook from Bangho, they gives you 3 year of warranty, and they have the lowest prices of the local and regional market. Commodore has devices spreaded over the country. Exo produces low-level netbooks (without ATI GPU's or Core i7 CPU's) that the government spread over the country in the secundary public schools. Now, all students from 12 to 18 years old have their own netbook, with Internet coverage, hard disk, games, office apps (like MS Office 2010) windows or linux... What do you think about that? Should Argentina's government protect Exo instead protect Dell? I think now It makes sense.

    Those brands compounds the "tech sector" (as you call...) and I see perfectly fine that If anyone like you or me (or Dell...) comes to the country to sell better devices at lower prices and with better support, the government ask you for extra money (the taxes) so Bangho or Commodore or Exo could still selling notebooks and growing.

    I really hate when people like you have the prejudice of say "Oh no, It's a South American country". Excuse me my friend, but here, we are not talking about ideologies or history. We are talking about what we know. I think that I don't know english's grammar very well. I think that you don't know anything about south american countries.

    Once again, thanks for alll your answers.
     
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    Do you know all of this or you've just searched on Wikipedia? :D
     
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    Well, as I said, most of it is basic government-level economics, and is often covered in a macroeconomics class (or history; more than a few wars have been started over tariffs and economic issues... like the American Revolutionary War). I did Google and Wikipedia details, but those were for the specific details and numbers; I've already known the basics for some time. Also, I have traveled outside of the US, and I've had to fill out that customs form more than once upon my return. You can, of course, lie on the form, but you'll pay penalties if you get caught (naturally). I don't think there's much else more that's important to say on this topic; this is a notebook discussion forum, not one on political or economic policies. Unless I see another egregious example of misinformation, I don't plan to weigh in on this topic again.
     
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    In summary, if we neglect all the nonsense, upgrading T2390 is a good option. I would recommend either T8300 or T9300. Let me also recommend upgrading your RAM to 4GB if you have not done yet. These will bring new life to your laptop based on my experience with Vostro 1500.
     
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    Ok pal. I will go this week to search for all that products. I think this topic has going to far, and that It's over.

    Thanks for your advice.
     
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    sebas0333 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I was going to write the same idea.

    So: Upgrading to a Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM and a new hard disk is the conclusion. Thanks.
     
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